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I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
are saved.
I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
photos? What would be the price range?
Thank you in advance for any help.
Happy Holidays!
NJ
PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
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sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
much more with just the basic package.
You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
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"Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:eoq4l.1243$496.1001@newsfe13.iad...
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>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
A "plugin" is separate piece of software which has the ability to
attach itself to the target software, in this case Photoshop, which
will then appear as an additional menu selection in Photoshop to
perform a task. You can invoke the "plugin" software directly from the
menu of Photoshop.
More detail here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plugin
Some of the plugins are free. Some are not.
Regards,
Wannabe
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>
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
A "plugin" is separate piece of software which has the ability to
attach itself to the target software, in this case Photoshop, which
will then appear as an additional menu selection in Photoshop to
perform a task. You can invoke the "plugin" software directly from the
menu of Photoshop.
More detail here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plugin
Some of the plugins are free. Some are not.
Regards,
Wannabe
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Always Has An Opinion wrote:
> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
> much more with just the basic package.
>
> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
$649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
used version.
What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
Thank you once again.
NJ
> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
> much more with just the basic package.
>
> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
$649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
used version.
What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
Thank you once again.
NJ
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Neil Jones wrote:
> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>> much more with just the basic package.
>>
>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>
>
> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
> used version.
>
> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>
> Thank you once again.
>
> NJ
Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
<mind the rap on the earl>
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>> much more with just the basic package.
>>
>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>
>
> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
> used version.
>
> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>
> Thank you once again.
>
> NJ
Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
<mind the rap on the earl>
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
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harikeo wrote:
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>
>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>
>>
>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>> used version.
>>
>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>
>> Thank you once again.
>>
>> NJ
> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>
> <mind the rap on the earl>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>
>
I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>
>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>
>>
>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>> used version.
>>
>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>
>> Thank you once again.
>>
>> NJ
> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>
> <mind the rap on the earl>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>
>
I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:43 -0500, Neil Jones
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
>
>Thank you in advance for any help.
>
>Happy Holidays!
>
>NJ
>
>PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
No one can really tell you what is best for you because we don't know
your skill levels or how much time and effort you will put into
learning a new program.
However, based on what you've said above, I would recommend that you
use Adobe's Elements and not the full version of Photoshop. Elements
7.0 is $140 retail, but you can purchase Elements 5.0 or 6.0 for half
of that or less.
Elements will do almost everything that the full CS Photoshop version
will do. The difference between "everything" and "almost everything"
is in the use of some features that it takes a year or more of
experience to learn to use. I've been using the full version for
several years, and there are *still* features that I'm not proficient
in.
I also have Elements 5.0. For most editing of family photographs, I
use Elements instead of the full Photoshop. I switch over to the full
version when I have a real problem photograph or want to do something
extra creative.
You can download a free trial of Elements 7.0 at
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/
This might not be of interest, but you can buy a Wacom Bamboo Fun pen
tablet for $80/$90 on Amazon, and this *includes* Elements 5.0 plus
Nic Color EFX (great filters!) and Corel Painter Essentials. Each
individual program alone is worth the money, and you get all three.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
>
>Thank you in advance for any help.
>
>Happy Holidays!
>
>NJ
>
>PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
No one can really tell you what is best for you because we don't know
your skill levels or how much time and effort you will put into
learning a new program.
However, based on what you've said above, I would recommend that you
use Adobe's Elements and not the full version of Photoshop. Elements
7.0 is $140 retail, but you can purchase Elements 5.0 or 6.0 for half
of that or less.
Elements will do almost everything that the full CS Photoshop version
will do. The difference between "everything" and "almost everything"
is in the use of some features that it takes a year or more of
experience to learn to use. I've been using the full version for
several years, and there are *still* features that I'm not proficient
in.
I also have Elements 5.0. For most editing of family photographs, I
use Elements instead of the full Photoshop. I switch over to the full
version when I have a real problem photograph or want to do something
extra creative.
You can download a free trial of Elements 7.0 at
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/
This might not be of interest, but you can buy a Wacom Bamboo Fun pen
tablet for $80/$90 on Amazon, and this *includes* Elements 5.0 plus
Nic Color EFX (great filters!) and Corel Painter Essentials. Each
individual program alone is worth the money, and you get all three.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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harikeo wrote:
> harikeo wrote:
>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>>
>>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>>> used version.
>>>
>>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>>
>>> Thank you once again.
>>>
>>> NJ
>> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>>
>> <mind the rap on the earl>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>>
>>
>
> I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
I do have GIMP 2 but haven't done much with it. Photoshop seems to be
have a big following and easier to get some help.
NJ
PS - My digital camera also comes with some software which most people
(including myself) haven't heard of before. The software seems to be ok
but difficult to get any help.
> harikeo wrote:
>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>>
>>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>>> used version.
>>>
>>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>>
>>> Thank you once again.
>>>
>>> NJ
>> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>>
>> <mind the rap on the earl>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>>
>>
>
> I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
I do have GIMP 2 but haven't done much with it. Photoshop seems to be
have a big following and easier to get some help.
NJ
PS - My digital camera also comes with some software which most people
(including myself) haven't heard of before. The software seems to be ok
but difficult to get any help.
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:43 -0500, Neil Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
Suggest you try GIMP first - it's free. It will probably do everything you
need. There are several online tutorials.
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
> Photoshop?
plugins are basically code that folks have written to do additional things
inside the main program - added functionality.
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
Suggest you try GIMP first - it's free. It will probably do everything you
need. There are several online tutorials.
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
> Photoshop?
plugins are basically code that folks have written to do additional things
inside the main program - added functionality.
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In article <eoq4l.1243$496.1001@newsfe13.iad>,
Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
I would suggest getting Irfanview, which is shareware and will do many
of the things that photoshop will do. Then when you see what you need
and if Irfanview can't do it, then start looking at photoshop again.
www.irfanview.com
If you do get it, please pay the shareware fee, its well worth it. 10
euros is suggested. Thats 15-20 US$.
--
Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta & Casey (RIP), Red & Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
I would suggest getting Irfanview, which is shareware and will do many
of the things that photoshop will do. Then when you see what you need
and if Irfanview can't do it, then start looking at photoshop again.
www.irfanview.com
If you do get it, please pay the shareware fee, its well worth it. 10
euros is suggested. Thats 15-20 US$.
--
Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta & Casey (RIP), Red & Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
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Neil Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
Hey Neil, lots of good suggestions here, but something I haven't seen
mentioned yet, is that you should be able to download free demos of most
of this commercial software, and see what suits your needs.
From Adobe, there's Photoshop (for the hardcore), Elements
(Photoshop-Lite), and Lightroom (different workflow, might suit you
better). AFAIK there are free time-limited demos of all of them.
From Corel (bought PSP from JASC a couple versions ago), there's Paint
Shop Pro (latest version is 12, aka Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 -
time-limited demo downloadable), or if you dig around, you can find a
freebie version of JASC Paint Shop Pro 7.
There's tons of freeware/open-source/shareware out there that will
probably also do most of what you need - take a look at IrfanView,
Picasa, the latest GIMP, Paint.NET, or Pixel32.
Long and short of it is, there's no reason to shell out money for a
solution without trying a bunch of different ones first and seeing what
suits you best. Don't worry about what's "most popular" - there's lots
of users and lots of support out there for all the different options. A
lot of Photoshop's "popularity" is people who, like you, simply think
Photoshop is the way to go because that's all they've ever heard - they
won't be a lot of help to you :)
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
Hey Neil, lots of good suggestions here, but something I haven't seen
mentioned yet, is that you should be able to download free demos of most
of this commercial software, and see what suits your needs.
From Adobe, there's Photoshop (for the hardcore), Elements
(Photoshop-Lite), and Lightroom (different workflow, might suit you
better). AFAIK there are free time-limited demos of all of them.
From Corel (bought PSP from JASC a couple versions ago), there's Paint
Shop Pro (latest version is 12, aka Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 -
time-limited demo downloadable), or if you dig around, you can find a
freebie version of JASC Paint Shop Pro 7.
There's tons of freeware/open-source/shareware out there that will
probably also do most of what you need - take a look at IrfanView,
Picasa, the latest GIMP, Paint.NET, or Pixel32.
Long and short of it is, there's no reason to shell out money for a
solution without trying a bunch of different ones first and seeing what
suits you best. Don't worry about what's "most popular" - there's lots
of users and lots of support out there for all the different options. A
lot of Photoshop's "popularity" is people who, like you, simply think
Photoshop is the way to go because that's all they've ever heard - they
won't be a lot of help to you :)
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"Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote...
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
Start with Photoshop Elements for $100 or less. Once you get used to what it
can do, then decide whether you want or need all the power of the full
application.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
Start with Photoshop Elements for $100 or less. Once you get used to what it
can do, then decide whether you want or need all the power of the full
application.
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:43 -0500, Neil Jones
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in
<eoq4l.1243$496.1001@newsfe13.iad>:
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
Photoshop Elements 6 for only $28:
< http://www.pricegrabber.com/user_sales_getprod.php?masterid= 50072739&lot_id=8567417>
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in
<eoq4l.1243$496.1001@newsfe13.iad>:
>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>are saved.
>
>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>photos? What would be the price range?
Photoshop Elements 6 for only $28:
< http://www.pricegrabber.com/user_sales_getprod.php?masterid= 50072739&lot_id=8567417>
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
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In article <eoq4l.1243$496.1001@newsfe13.iad>, Neil Jones
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
i would suggest photoshop elements for around $100. it's unlikely you
need the full version of photoshop.
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
third party add-ons that add features to photoshop (or to other apps).
some are free, some aren't.
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
i would suggest photoshop elements for around $100. it's unlikely you
need the full version of photoshop.
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
third party add-ons that add features to photoshop (or to other apps).
some are free, some aren't.
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Neil Jones wrote:
> harikeo wrote:
>> harikeo wrote:
>>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>>>
>>>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>>>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>>>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>>>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>>>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>>>> used version.
>>>>
>>>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you once again.
>>>>
>>>> NJ
>>> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>>>
>>> <mind the rap on the earl>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>>>
>>>
>> I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
>
> I do have GIMP 2 but haven't done much with it. Photoshop seems to be
> have a big following and easier to get some help.
>
> NJ
>
> PS - My digital camera also comes with some software which most people
> (including myself) haven't heard of before. The software seems to be ok
> but difficult to get any help.
Big following does not necessarily equate to being the right software
package for you. Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
Some other Free, donation supported, or open source packages are:
Faststone viewer: http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm combines
viewing and simple editing functions. Better functionality than
irfanview http://www.irfanview.com/ for most things. Both should be
part of your toolkit.
If you shoot RAW, consider Raw Therapee
http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=2 This is a relative new donationware
package that is under heavy development. The latest beta release is
very stable and very competitive with commercial packages.
The above packages are FREE, but that should not be equated with low
quality. Even though they are FREE, if you find them useful, please
consider making a donation to help the developers.
Clair
> harikeo wrote:
>> harikeo wrote:
>>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>>> Always Has An Opinion wrote:
>>>>> Go cheap. Photoshop CS2 (if you can find it) or CS3 will be
>>>>> sufficient. There's a ton of plugins which make things easier, but
>>>>> I've never needed them. I've retouched photos, created 3D art and
>>>>> much more with just the basic package.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can find a lot of tutorials on YouTube as well.
>>>>
>>>> Great idea! I went to Amazon and looked up for CS3 but found that it
>>>> costs as much as CS4 (even in the used section). They were listed at
>>>> $649 (USD). Some of the craigslist sellers listed it for $100 to $150.
>>>> I don't know if these are bootlegged packed with trojans in them. I am
>>>> suspicious because of the price difference between the new version and
>>>> used version.
>>>>
>>>> What are some good sources to buy cheap/used software like CS3?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you once again.
>>>>
>>>> NJ
>>> Howabout Photoshop Elements 7 unless you want/need the full-blown PS CSx?
>>>
>>> <mind the rap on the earl>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65026616-Photoshop-Elements-7/dp /B001DMBWXS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1 230128042&sr=8-1
>>>
>>>
>> I forgot to mention Gimp 2 which is free http://www.gimp.org/
>
> I do have GIMP 2 but haven't done much with it. Photoshop seems to be
> have a big following and easier to get some help.
>
> NJ
>
> PS - My digital camera also comes with some software which most people
> (including myself) haven't heard of before. The software seems to be ok
> but difficult to get any help.
Big following does not necessarily equate to being the right software
package for you. Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
Some other Free, donation supported, or open source packages are:
Faststone viewer: http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm combines
viewing and simple editing functions. Better functionality than
irfanview http://www.irfanview.com/ for most things. Both should be
part of your toolkit.
If you shoot RAW, consider Raw Therapee
http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=2 This is a relative new donationware
package that is under heavy development. The latest beta release is
very stable and very competitive with commercial packages.
The above packages are FREE, but that should not be equated with low
quality. Even though they are FREE, if you find them useful, please
consider making a donation to help the developers.
Clair
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
<cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
<Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
(See link in my earlier post.)
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
<cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
<Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
(See link in my earlier post.)
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
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John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
> <cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> <Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>
>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>> the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>> in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>
> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
> (See link in my earlier post.)
Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
compared to Paintshop Pro. That's why it's nice that there's options
out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
comfortable with.
Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
> <cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> <Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>
>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>> the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>> in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>
> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
> (See link in my earlier post.)
Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
compared to Paintshop Pro. That's why it's nice that there's options
out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
comfortable with.
Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:25:15 -0500, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:43 -0500, Neil Jones
><castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>>are saved.
>>
>>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>>photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>>Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>>Happy Holidays!
>>
>>NJ
>>
>>PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
>
>No one can really tell you what is best for you because we don't know
>your skill levels or how much time and effort you will put into
>learning a new program.
>
>However, based on what you've said above, I would recommend that you
>use Adobe's Elements and not the full version of Photoshop. Elements
>7.0 is $140 retail, but you can purchase Elements 5.0 or 6.0 for half
>of that or less.
>
>Elements will do almost everything that the full CS Photoshop version
>will do. The difference between "everything" and "almost everything"
>is in the use of some features that it takes a year or more of
>experience to learn to use. I've been using the full version for
>several years, and there are *still* features that I'm not proficient
>in.
>
>I also have Elements 5.0. For most editing of family photographs, I
>use Elements instead of the full Photoshop. I switch over to the full
>version when I have a real problem photograph or want to do something
>extra creative.
>
>You can download a free trial of Elements 7.0 at
>http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/
>
>This might not be of interest, but you can buy a Wacom Bamboo Fun pen
>tablet for $80/$90 on Amazon, and this *includes* Elements 5.0 plus
>Nic Color EFX (great filters!) and Corel Painter Essentials. Each
>individual program alone is worth the money, and you get all three.
I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:43 -0500, Neil Jones
><castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>>the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>>touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>>are saved.
>>
>>I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>>that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>>To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>>version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>>photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>>Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>>Happy Holidays!
>>
>>NJ
>>
>>PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
>
>No one can really tell you what is best for you because we don't know
>your skill levels or how much time and effort you will put into
>learning a new program.
>
>However, based on what you've said above, I would recommend that you
>use Adobe's Elements and not the full version of Photoshop. Elements
>7.0 is $140 retail, but you can purchase Elements 5.0 or 6.0 for half
>of that or less.
>
>Elements will do almost everything that the full CS Photoshop version
>will do. The difference between "everything" and "almost everything"
>is in the use of some features that it takes a year or more of
>experience to learn to use. I've been using the full version for
>several years, and there are *still* features that I'm not proficient
>in.
>
>I also have Elements 5.0. For most editing of family photographs, I
>use Elements instead of the full Photoshop. I switch over to the full
>version when I have a real problem photograph or want to do something
>extra creative.
>
>You can download a free trial of Elements 7.0 at
>http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/
>
>This might not be of interest, but you can buy a Wacom Bamboo Fun pen
>tablet for $80/$90 on Amazon, and this *includes* Elements 5.0 plus
>Nic Color EFX (great filters!) and Corel Painter Essentials. Each
>individual program alone is worth the money, and you get all three.
I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
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On 2008-12-24 05:00:43 -0800, Neil Jones
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> said:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
I would get Photoshop Elements which should give you 95% of what you
would need as a learning novice.
Then there is an upgrade path from Elements to CS4.
You might also find a legitimate version of CS2 or CS3 at a reasonable
price online, and there is an upgrade path from both of those.
Plugins from third party software providers, add advanced editing and
photo-manipulating features which can be produced with CS2-4 with
knowlege and experience.
Some of these can be expensive, however a search will lead you to some
free-bee actions and such.
http://www.digitalfilmtools.com/photshopprods.htm
http://www.digitalanarchy.com/
http://www.pixelgenius.com/
http://www.completedigitalphotography.com/index.php?p=339
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> said:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
I would get Photoshop Elements which should give you 95% of what you
would need as a learning novice.
Then there is an upgrade path from Elements to CS4.
You might also find a legitimate version of CS2 or CS3 at a reasonable
price online, and there is an upgrade path from both of those.
Plugins from third party software providers, add advanced editing and
photo-manipulating features which can be produced with CS2-4 with
knowlege and experience.
Some of these can be expensive, however a search will lead you to some
free-bee actions and such.
http://www.digitalfilmtools.com/photshopprods.htm
http://www.digitalanarchy.com/
http://www.pixelgenius.com/
http://www.completedigitalphotography.com/index.php?p=339
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Good morning everyone...
As a Linux/Gimp-User I can't stand back here...
Matt Ion schrieb:
> John Navas wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
>>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in the right
>>> hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following in the
>>> Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>>
I know that Photoshop has tools and possibilities that Gimp does not
have... but in my daily work with gimp I dod not realize that i'm
missing a lot...
>> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
>> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
>> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
>> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
>> (See link in my earlier post.)
>
Can't argue that since I don't know Photoshop Elements...
> Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
> compared to Paintshop Pro.
fun... I sometimes have to work with PSP. And I have to say: I just
can't work with this stuff. It's unintuitive in a way for me that I just
can't work with it! Maybe my intuitivity is crippled by using The Gimp
too much :-)
Maybe it is, that many people are refering to older versions of The Gimp
which has made huge steps forward in usability since the last few
versions...
> That's why it's nice that there's options
> out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
> you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
>
Right. And really try all possibilities. Just because you struggle with
the first one you try, it does not mean that the others are better.
Photo-Editing is a bit of a pain in the beginning with every software I
think.
> As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
> that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
> comfortable with.
>
I can only agree on that. Finally some wise words in a NG. Thanx!
> Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
> a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
And most important: Enjoy your pictures! Do not beat the fun down with
technobabble.
kruemi
--
Dimage A2, Agfa isolette
http://flickr.com/photos/kruemi
And a cool timekiller: http://www.starpirates.net/register.php?referer=9708
As a Linux/Gimp-User I can't stand back here...
Matt Ion schrieb:
> John Navas wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
>>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in the right
>>> hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following in the
>>> Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>>
I know that Photoshop has tools and possibilities that Gimp does not
have... but in my daily work with gimp I dod not realize that i'm
missing a lot...
>> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
>> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
>> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
>> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
>> (See link in my earlier post.)
>
Can't argue that since I don't know Photoshop Elements...
> Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
> compared to Paintshop Pro.
fun... I sometimes have to work with PSP. And I have to say: I just
can't work with this stuff. It's unintuitive in a way for me that I just
can't work with it! Maybe my intuitivity is crippled by using The Gimp
too much :-)
Maybe it is, that many people are refering to older versions of The Gimp
which has made huge steps forward in usability since the last few
versions...
> That's why it's nice that there's options
> out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
> you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
>
Right. And really try all possibilities. Just because you struggle with
the first one you try, it does not mean that the others are better.
Photo-Editing is a bit of a pain in the beginning with every software I
think.
> As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
> that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
> comfortable with.
>
I can only agree on that. Finally some wise words in a NG. Thanx!
> Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
> a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
And most important: Enjoy your pictures! Do not beat the fun down with
technobabble.
kruemi
--
Dimage A2, Agfa isolette
http://flickr.com/photos/kruemi
And a cool timekiller: http://www.starpirates.net/register.php?referer=9708
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:08:11 -0800, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote
in <giu8c1$g01$2@reader.motzarella.org>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
>> <cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> <Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>>
>>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>>> the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>>> in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>>
>> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
>> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
>> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
>> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
>> (See link in my earlier post.)
>
>Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
>compared to Paintshop Pro.
I said Elements, not the full version. Have you used Elements?
>That's why it's nice that there's options
>out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
>you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
>
>As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
>that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
>comfortable with.
>
>Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
>a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
Of course.
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
in <giu8c1$g01$2@reader.motzarella.org>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:52:48 -0500, Clair Johnston
>> <cbj0129@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> <Wmw4l.12014$M01.6625@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>>
>>> ... Photoshop and GIMP are both very powerful packages in
>>> the right hands. GIMP is open source and FREE. It has a huge following
>>> in the Linux world and there is lots of support. It lacks some of the
>>> capabilities of Photoshop, but I doubt you would notice.
>>
>> The other issue is that many people, me included, find the GIMP
>> interface to be unintuitive to the point of pain. While the GIMP is
>> quite powerful and free, I'll think you'll find the interface in
>> Photoshop Elements much easier, and it can be found for under $30.
>> (See link in my earlier post.)
>
>Similarly, I find the Photoshop interface rather unintuitive, at least
>compared to Paintshop Pro.
I said Elements, not the full version. Have you used Elements?
>That's why it's nice that there's options
>out there... and also why all these packages offer FREE DEMO VERSIONS so
>you can try them out before dropping your money on them.
>
>As with choosing a camera, the package that's best FOR YOU is the one
>that you're going to use... and that will be the one you're most
>comfortable with.
>
>Take all the suggestions here with a grain of salt... then give them all
>a test drive and see which YOU prefer.
Of course.
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:08:05 -0800, Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com>
wrote Re Re: Photoshop recommendations:
>Long and short of it is, there's no reason to shell out money for a
>solution without trying a bunch of different ones first and seeing what
>suits you best. Don't worry about what's "most popular" - there's lots
>of users and lots of support out there for all the different options. A
>lot of Photoshop's "popularity" is people who, like you, simply think
>Photoshop is the way to go because that's all they've ever heard - they
>won't be a lot of help to you :)
Well put.
wrote Re Re: Photoshop recommendations:
>Long and short of it is, there's no reason to shell out money for a
>solution without trying a bunch of different ones first and seeing what
>suits you best. Don't worry about what's "most popular" - there's lots
>of users and lots of support out there for all the different options. A
>lot of Photoshop's "popularity" is people who, like you, simply think
>Photoshop is the way to go because that's all they've ever heard - they
>won't be a lot of help to you :)
Well put.
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Stephen Bishop wrote:
> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
learning curve there.
--
john mcwilliams
> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
learning curve there.
--
john mcwilliams
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Neil Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
PS is a very expensive product with a steep learning curve. It's the
standard for professionals, particularly if final output is for
professional publication.
I've never used elements but understand it's all the normal amateur
would need. I've used PhotoPlus and now use PSP9. The latter is almost
given away if you can find it. Later versions are distributed by Corel.
All the above are really adequate. You can get lots of free stuff, but
at some time or other you'll discover layers and for that you will need
something a little better than a freebie, which is not to knock the
latter. FastStone is great for quick fix ups and cropping.
One last point, there is a free and quite powerful product known at The
Gimp. Some people seem to love it, I don't. You would need to download a
copy and see for yourself.
Dave Cohen
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
PS is a very expensive product with a steep learning curve. It's the
standard for professionals, particularly if final output is for
professional publication.
I've never used elements but understand it's all the normal amateur
would need. I've used PhotoPlus and now use PSP9. The latter is almost
given away if you can find it. Later versions are distributed by Corel.
All the above are really adequate. You can get lots of free stuff, but
at some time or other you'll discover layers and for that you will need
something a little better than a freebie, which is not to knock the
latter. FastStone is great for quick fix ups and cropping.
One last point, there is a free and quite powerful product known at The
Gimp. Some people seem to love it, I don't. You would need to download a
copy and see for yourself.
Dave Cohen
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I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
never stop learning.
right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
never stop learning.
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On 2008-12-24 16:52:21 -0800, "Leo Lichtman" <leo.lichtman@att.net> said:
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at
> the right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly
> lessons on it in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program
> that is popular has its advantages. You can find people to talk to,
> ask questions and compare experiences with, like I did. We still meet
> in this professor's home and discuss our work, even though the
> instructional part is over. Being with others who share the same
> background and experience is very rewarding; you never stop learning.
There is also comp.graphics.apps.photoshop if you like NG forums as
information sources.
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at
> the right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly
> lessons on it in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program
> that is popular has its advantages. You can find people to talk to,
> ask questions and compare experiences with, like I did. We still meet
> in this professor's home and discuss our work, even though the
> instructional part is over. Being with others who share the same
> background and experience is very rewarding; you never stop learning.
There is also comp.graphics.apps.photoshop if you like NG forums as
information sources.
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
> never stop learning.
>
>
I agree. I use PSP9 because I got it for around $12, but not only your
experience is relevant, anytime I see a 'how to do it' type article in
Photo magazines, it invariably illustrates using PS, but my
understanding is this is more easily translated into Elements than
other, although most of the time I can translate into PSP. Earlier on
someone included a link for Elements 6 for $28, which is very tempting.
The point I would emphasize is one shouldn't jump into the full version
of PS until he knows that is really what he needs (unless money is no
object).
My local library has a whole slew of books on PS and a reasonable
selection on elements. Not much on PSP
Dave Cohen
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
> never stop learning.
>
>
I agree. I use PSP9 because I got it for around $12, but not only your
experience is relevant, anytime I see a 'how to do it' type article in
Photo magazines, it invariably illustrates using PS, but my
understanding is this is more easily translated into Elements than
other, although most of the time I can translate into PSP. Earlier on
someone included a link for Elements 6 for $28, which is very tempting.
The point I would emphasize is one shouldn't jump into the full version
of PS until he knows that is really what he needs (unless money is no
object).
My local library has a whole slew of books on PS and a reasonable
selection on elements. Not much on PSP
Dave Cohen
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:54:22 -0500, Dave Cohen <user@example.net>
wrote:
>Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
>> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
>> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
>> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
>> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
>> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
>> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
>> never stop learning.
>>
>>
>I agree. I use PSP9 because I got it for around $12, but not only your
>experience is relevant, anytime I see a 'how to do it' type article in
>Photo magazines, it invariably illustrates using PS, but my
>understanding is this is more easily translated into Elements than
>other, although most of the time I can translate into PSP. Earlier on
>someone included a link for Elements 6 for $28, which is very tempting.
>The point I would emphasize is one shouldn't jump into the full version
>of PS until he knows that is really what he needs (unless money is no
>object).
>My local library has a whole slew of books on PS and a reasonable
>selection on elements. Not much on PSP
>Dave Cohen
It's appropriate to go back to the initial post. The OP takes
photographs, but has not been editing them. He's looking for a
program to take his first steps in editing photographs.
I recommended Elements as a good first step. Elements, at this level,
is easy-peasy. The "Quick Edit" module shows the original and the
results of any editing side by side. He can crop in this mode, click
the button for "Smart Fix" or "Auto Levels" and make just about any
decent photograph look more than presentable. A bit too dark on the
faces? Move the "Lighten Shadows" a bit to the right. The auto Red
Eye fix usually works. For 90% of the average photographer's output,
this works a treat.
There's some additional bells and whistles for anyone who wants to
follow one of the many online tutorials. Elements does Adjustment
Layers and creates Selections. It has most of the basic tools for
editing. The Spot Healing brush is easier to use than the Clone
Stamp.
Anyone who tries Elements can be successfully editing the average
photograph right away. No learning curve to speak of.
You can put that OP in the full Photoshop or Gimp, but the learning
curve is steeper. He can do more eventually, but there's no
indication that he's ready to do so or interested in doing so.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
wrote:
>Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
>> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
>> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
>> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
>> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
>> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
>> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
>> never stop learning.
>>
>>
>I agree. I use PSP9 because I got it for around $12, but not only your
>experience is relevant, anytime I see a 'how to do it' type article in
>Photo magazines, it invariably illustrates using PS, but my
>understanding is this is more easily translated into Elements than
>other, although most of the time I can translate into PSP. Earlier on
>someone included a link for Elements 6 for $28, which is very tempting.
>The point I would emphasize is one shouldn't jump into the full version
>of PS until he knows that is really what he needs (unless money is no
>object).
>My local library has a whole slew of books on PS and a reasonable
>selection on elements. Not much on PSP
>Dave Cohen
It's appropriate to go back to the initial post. The OP takes
photographs, but has not been editing them. He's looking for a
program to take his first steps in editing photographs.
I recommended Elements as a good first step. Elements, at this level,
is easy-peasy. The "Quick Edit" module shows the original and the
results of any editing side by side. He can crop in this mode, click
the button for "Smart Fix" or "Auto Levels" and make just about any
decent photograph look more than presentable. A bit too dark on the
faces? Move the "Lighten Shadows" a bit to the right. The auto Red
Eye fix usually works. For 90% of the average photographer's output,
this works a treat.
There's some additional bells and whistles for anyone who wants to
follow one of the many online tutorials. Elements does Adjustment
Layers and creates Selections. It has most of the basic tools for
editing. The Spot Healing brush is easier to use than the Clone
Stamp.
Anyone who tries Elements can be successfully editing the average
photograph right away. No learning curve to speak of.
You can put that OP in the full Photoshop or Gimp, but the learning
curve is steeper. He can do more eventually, but there's no
indication that he's ready to do so or interested in doing so.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:36:58 -0500, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>It's appropriate to go back to the initial post. The OP takes
>photographs, but has not been editing them. He's looking for a
>program to take his first steps in editing photographs.
>
I see the same type of threads in the photography newsgroups. Some
guy comes in and wants a recommendation for a good camera because his
first grandchild was born and he wants to take photographs.
The thread then takes off into gearhead discussions on the attributes
of various cameras and the P&S vs dslr wars. Truth is, the new grampa
can buy the camera nearest the door and it will work for him as well
as the best camera in the store. All the guy's gonna do is point the
camera at the baby and push the button.
You really have to gear the discussion to the wants and needs of the
poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
newsgroup in the first place.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>It's appropriate to go back to the initial post. The OP takes
>photographs, but has not been editing them. He's looking for a
>program to take his first steps in editing photographs.
>
I see the same type of threads in the photography newsgroups. Some
guy comes in and wants a recommendation for a good camera because his
first grandchild was born and he wants to take photographs.
The thread then takes off into gearhead discussions on the attributes
of various cameras and the P&S vs dslr wars. Truth is, the new grampa
can buy the camera nearest the door and it will work for him as well
as the best camera in the store. All the guy's gonna do is point the
camera at the baby and push the button.
You really have to gear the discussion to the wants and needs of the
poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
newsgroup in the first place.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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"tony cooper" wrote: (clip)You really have to gear the discussion to the
wants and needs of the
> poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
> newsgroup in the first place.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This sentence could well be cross-posted to a great many other newsgroups.
Well thought and well said.
wants and needs of the
> poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
> newsgroup in the first place.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This sentence could well be cross-posted to a great many other newsgroups.
Well thought and well said.
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Neil Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
on your own.
Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
way around the program.
OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
the various editing tools do and how to use them.
I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
the Adobe Staff.
Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
At Amazon.com, See:
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
Bob Williams
> Hi,
>
> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
> are saved.
>
> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
> photos? What would be the price range?
>
> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> NJ
>
> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from Photoshop?
Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
on your own.
Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
way around the program.
OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
the various editing tools do and how to use them.
I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
the Adobe Staff.
Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
At Amazon.com, See:
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
Bob Williams
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:26:31 -0800, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>Stephen Bishop wrote:
>
>> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
>> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
>> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
>> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
>> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
>
>Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
>when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
>they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
>Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
>
>Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
>learning curve there.'
You mean when you move from Apple to Windows?
LOL
Merry Christmas, John!
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>Stephen Bishop wrote:
>
>> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
>> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
>> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
>> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
>> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
>
>Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
>when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
>they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
>Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
>
>Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
>learning curve there.'
You mean when you move from Apple to Windows?
LOL
Merry Christmas, John!
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
> never stop learning.
>
>
You hit the main point that had me post this question! I do have GIMP
on my system and have used it minimally over the years (only for
cropping). Now I want to do a little bit more than cropping the
pictures. I know GIMP can do what Adobe PS or Elements is doing. BUT,
the support groups/books/classes offered for GIMP are minimal compared
to Adobe Photoshop. Yes, the tutorials for GIMP at one or two main
websites do not motivate me to do anything creative/enchanements to my
pictures. The users on GIMP mailing list/newsgroup either have never
been tried what I am trying to accomplish with my photo editing or have
the attitude "Go figure it out yourself". Last but least, I am willing
to take a class which will teach me how to process pictures. So far
that I know, I have not seen anything for GIMP. Photoshop does have
quite a few classes. With Photoshop, my main confusion was about the
products at their website (Which one do I need?).
The other software packages, even the ones that came along with my
camera really don't interest me in trying to be creative with my pictures.
I think I will consider getting Photoshop Elements (in the next few
weeks) and consider taking a class.
Now, like Leo, I will need to find a university professor or some
professional who offers classes locally for Photoshop.
NJ
> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at the
> right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly lessons on it
> in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program that is popular has
> its advantages. You can find people to talk to, ask questions and compare
> experiences with, like I did. We still meet in this professor's home and
> discuss our work, even though the instructional part is over. Being with
> others who share the same background and experience is very rewarding; you
> never stop learning.
>
>
You hit the main point that had me post this question! I do have GIMP
on my system and have used it minimally over the years (only for
cropping). Now I want to do a little bit more than cropping the
pictures. I know GIMP can do what Adobe PS or Elements is doing. BUT,
the support groups/books/classes offered for GIMP are minimal compared
to Adobe Photoshop. Yes, the tutorials for GIMP at one or two main
websites do not motivate me to do anything creative/enchanements to my
pictures. The users on GIMP mailing list/newsgroup either have never
been tried what I am trying to accomplish with my photo editing or have
the attitude "Go figure it out yourself". Last but least, I am willing
to take a class which will teach me how to process pictures. So far
that I know, I have not seen anything for GIMP. Photoshop does have
quite a few classes. With Photoshop, my main confusion was about the
products at their website (Which one do I need?).
The other software packages, even the ones that came along with my
camera really don't interest me in trying to be creative with my pictures.
I think I will consider getting Photoshop Elements (in the next few
weeks) and consider taking a class.
Now, like Leo, I will need to find a university professor or some
professional who offers classes locally for Photoshop.
NJ
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Bob Williams wrote:
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>> are saved.
>>
>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> NJ
>>
>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>> Photoshop?
>
> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
> on your own.
> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
> are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
> way around the program.
> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
> who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
> PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
> newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
> volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
> IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
> the various editing tools do and how to use them.
> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
> a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
> number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
> Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
> the Adobe Staff.
> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
> with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
> At Amazon.com, See:
> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>
>
> Bob Williams
I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price Grabber, so
I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my current PSP 9.
All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9 does it in
style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and for animal lovers
is has an animal selection which is nice. They get same problem but
color is usually other than red.
Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that relates
to what I'm using without having to translate (although much of the time
that does work).
For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version 7.
Dave Cohen
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>> are saved.
>>
>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> NJ
>>
>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>> Photoshop?
>
> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
> on your own.
> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
> are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
> way around the program.
> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
> who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
> PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
> newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
> volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
> IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
> the various editing tools do and how to use them.
> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
> a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
> number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
> Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
> the Adobe Staff.
> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
> with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
> At Amazon.com, See:
> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>
>
> Bob Williams
I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price Grabber, so
I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my current PSP 9.
All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9 does it in
style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and for animal lovers
is has an animal selection which is nice. They get same problem but
color is usually other than red.
Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that relates
to what I'm using without having to translate (although much of the time
that does work).
For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version 7.
Dave Cohen
| |
|
Stephen Bishop wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:26:31 -0800, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Bishop wrote:
>>
>>> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
>>> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
>>> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
>>> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
>>> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
>> Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
>> when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
>> they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
>> Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
>>
>> Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
>> learning curve there.'
>
> You mean when you move from Apple to Windows?
That's one possibility!*
>
> LOL
Good!
> Merry Christmas, John!
And same to you, and all.
John
*Probably would be from a ten year old Mac to a new PC, or from a new PC
to a two year old Mac, but I purposely left it quite open.....
:-)
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:26:31 -0800, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Bishop wrote:
>>
>>> I'll strongly second the recommendation for Elements. It is a very
>>> nice program on its own, not just a "limited" version of Photoshop.
>>> But it it looks and feels like Photoshop. If you find you want or
>>> need the extra features that the full Photoshop offers, you can always
>>> spend the few hundred extra dollars at that time.
>> Moreover, if you're familiar with Elements, you'll have a headstart
>> when, if, and as you move up to Photoshop. It is also [- both of them;
>> they are - ] cross platform, which is one reason to recommend against
>> Paintshop Pro and Apple's aperture.
>>
>> Thus, when if and as you move to a better OS, you'll be up on the
>> learning curve there.'
>
> You mean when you move from Apple to Windows?
That's one possibility!*
>
> LOL
Good!
> Merry Christmas, John!
And same to you, and all.
John
*Probably would be from a ten year old Mac to a new PC, or from a new PC
to a two year old Mac, but I purposely left it quite open.....
:-)
| |
|
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:40:21 -0500, Dave Cohen <user@example.net>
wrote:
>Bob Williams wrote:
>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>>> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>>> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>>> are saved.
>>>
>>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>
>>> NJ
>>>
>>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>>> Photoshop?
>>
>> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
>> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
>> on your own.
>> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
>> are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
>> way around the program.
>> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
>> who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
>> PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
>> newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
>> volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
>> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
>> IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
>> the various editing tools do and how to use them.
>> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
>> a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
>> number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
>> Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
>> the Adobe Staff.
>> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
>> with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
>> At Amazon.com, See:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>>
>>
>> Bob Williams
>
>I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price Grabber, so
>I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my current PSP 9.
> All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9 does it in
>style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and for animal lovers
>is has an animal selection which is nice. They get same problem but
>color is usually other than red.
>Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that relates
>to what I'm using without having to translate (although much of the time
>that does work).
>For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
>reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version 7.
>Dave Cohen
I use Elements 5.0, and tried 6.0 as a trial. I didn't see enough of
a difference between the two to buy 6.0. There's always one tool in a
new version that is nice, but new versions don't offer major change.
If you feel comfortable buying a book, do so. That adds $30 to $40 to
your cost. The price of books on any program is astronomically high.
I spent $40 on a Scott Kelby book recently. It was worth it, but it
focussed on one particular function of Photoshop (full version):
channels.
I'd recommend that you start with following some of the many online
tutorials for Elements. They are free, and I think you'll find that
the tutorials get you started as well as a book would. I do have a
book on Elements (Classroom in a Book - $40) that was a gift, but I
usually go to an online tutorial if I want additional information on a
tool's use. The one advantage of the book is the included CD with
examples.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
wrote:
>Bob Williams wrote:
>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures. For
>>> the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them with
>>> touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and the rest
>>> are saved.
>>>
>>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>
>>> NJ
>>>
>>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>>> Photoshop?
>>
>> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
>> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to learn
>> on your own.
>> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions, you
>> are a working professional or serious amateur and you already know your
>> way around the program.
>> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like yourself
>> who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not mean dumbed down.
>> PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost everything that a
>> newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike full PS, Elements
>> volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the editing process.
>> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not intuitive.
>> IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to help you learn what
>> the various editing tools do and how to use them.
>> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to purchase
>> a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I have used a
>> number of self-help books on using PS and I can recommend the "Teach
>> Yourself Visually" series as well as the "Classroom in a Book" series by
>> the Adobe Staff.
>> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would start
>> with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to "Classroom........"
>> At Amazon.com, See:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>>
>>
>> Bob Williams
>
>I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price Grabber, so
>I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my current PSP 9.
> All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9 does it in
>style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and for animal lovers
>is has an animal selection which is nice. They get same problem but
>color is usually other than red.
>Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that relates
>to what I'm using without having to translate (although much of the time
>that does work).
>For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
>reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version 7.
>Dave Cohen
I use Elements 5.0, and tried 6.0 as a trial. I didn't see enough of
a difference between the two to buy 6.0. There's always one tool in a
new version that is nice, but new versions don't offer major change.
If you feel comfortable buying a book, do so. That adds $30 to $40 to
your cost. The price of books on any program is astronomically high.
I spent $40 on a Scott Kelby book recently. It was worth it, but it
focussed on one particular function of Photoshop (full version):
channels.
I'd recommend that you start with following some of the many online
tutorials for Elements. They are free, and I think you'll find that
the tutorials get you started as well as a book would. I do have a
book on Elements (Classroom in a Book - $40) that was a gift, but I
usually go to an online tutorial if I want additional information on a
tool's use. The one advantage of the book is the included CD with
examples.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
| |
|
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:09:57 -0800, "Leo Lichtman"
<leo.lichtman@att.net> wrote in
<woF4l.9740$D32.840@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>:
>"tony cooper" wrote: (clip)You really have to gear the discussion to the
>wants and needs of the
>> poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
>> newsgroup in the first place.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This sentence could well be cross-posted to a great many other newsgroups.
>Well thought and well said.
Amen!
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
<leo.lichtman@att.net> wrote in
<woF4l.9740$D32.840@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>:
>"tony cooper" wrote: (clip)You really have to gear the discussion to the
>wants and needs of the
>> poster or you'll just add to the confusion that brought him to the
>> newsgroup in the first place.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This sentence could well be cross-posted to a great many other newsgroups.
>Well thought and well said.
Amen!
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others
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|
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:01:42 -0500, Dave Cohen wrote:
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures.
>> For the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them
>> with touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and
>> the rest are saved.
>>
>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> NJ
>>
>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>> Photoshop?
>
> PS is a very expensive product with a steep learning curve. It's the
> standard for professionals, particularly if final output is for
> professional publication.
>
> I've never used elements but understand it's all the normal amateur
> would need. I've used PhotoPlus and now use PSP9. The latter is almost
> given away if you can find it. Later versions are distributed by Corel.
> All the above are really adequate. You can get lots of free stuff, but
> at some time or other you'll discover layers and for that you will need
> something a little better than a freebie, which is not to knock the
> latter. FastStone is great for quick fix ups and cropping.
Why is that? I find that GIMP does layers adequately.
>
> One last point, there is a free and quite powerful product known at The
> Gimp. Some people seem to love it, I don't. You would need to download a
> copy and see for yourself.
> Dave Cohen
> Neil Jones wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking pictures.
>> For the pictures I shoot, I do not process the pictures or enhance them
>> with touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out good are printed and
>> the rest are saved.
>>
>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It appears
>> that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo processing area.
>> To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site I was completely lost.
>> They have tons of products with varying price ranges. What Photoshop
>> version(s) are used by the community at large to process and enhance
>> photos? What would be the price range?
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> NJ
>>
>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>> Photoshop?
>
> PS is a very expensive product with a steep learning curve. It's the
> standard for professionals, particularly if final output is for
> professional publication.
>
> I've never used elements but understand it's all the normal amateur
> would need. I've used PhotoPlus and now use PSP9. The latter is almost
> given away if you can find it. Later versions are distributed by Corel.
> All the above are really adequate. You can get lots of free stuff, but
> at some time or other you'll discover layers and for that you will need
> something a little better than a freebie, which is not to knock the
> latter. FastStone is great for quick fix ups and cropping.
Why is that? I find that GIMP does layers adequately.
>
> One last point, there is a free and quite powerful product known at The
> Gimp. Some people seem to love it, I don't. You would need to download a
> copy and see for yourself.
> Dave Cohen
| |
|
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:18:21 -0500, Neil Jones wrote:
> Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at
>> the right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly
>> lessons on it in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program
>> that is popular has its advantages. You can find people to talk to,
>> ask questions and compare experiences with, like I did. We still meet
>> in this professor's home and discuss our work, even though the
>> instructional part is over. Being with others who share the same
>> background and experience is very rewarding; you never stop learning.
>>
>>
>>
> You hit the main point that had me post this question! I do have GIMP
> on my system and have used it minimally over the years (only for
> cropping). Now I want to do a little bit more than cropping the
> pictures. I know GIMP can do what Adobe PS or Elements is doing. BUT,
> the support groups/books/classes offered for GIMP are minimal compared
> to Adobe Photoshop. Yes, the tutorials for GIMP at one or two main
> websites do not motivate me to do anything creative/enchanements to my
> pictures. The users on GIMP mailing list/newsgroup either have never
> been tried what I am trying to accomplish with my photo editing or have
> the attitude "Go figure it out yourself". Last but least, I am willing
> to take a class which will teach me how to process pictures. So far
> that I know, I have not seen anything for GIMP. Photoshop does have
> quite a few classes. With Photoshop, my main confusion was about the
> products at their website (Which one do I need?).
"Beginning GIMP" by Peck is an excellent resource book. "Grokking the
GIMP" is likewise an excellent and quite comprehensive tutorial.
>
> The other software packages, even the ones that came along with my
> camera really don't interest me in trying to be creative with my
> pictures.
>
> I think I will consider getting Photoshop Elements (in the next few
> weeks) and consider taking a class.
>
> Now, like Leo, I will need to find a university professor or some
> professional who offers classes locally for Photoshop.
>
> NJ
> Leo Lichtman wrote:
>> I started with Photoshop Elements 4, and I was fortunate that just at
>> the right time, a retired UC professor in my area offered weekly
>> lessons on it in his home. I want to emphacize this: using a program
>> that is popular has its advantages. You can find people to talk to,
>> ask questions and compare experiences with, like I did. We still meet
>> in this professor's home and discuss our work, even though the
>> instructional part is over. Being with others who share the same
>> background and experience is very rewarding; you never stop learning.
>>
>>
>>
> You hit the main point that had me post this question! I do have GIMP
> on my system and have used it minimally over the years (only for
> cropping). Now I want to do a little bit more than cropping the
> pictures. I know GIMP can do what Adobe PS or Elements is doing. BUT,
> the support groups/books/classes offered for GIMP are minimal compared
> to Adobe Photoshop. Yes, the tutorials for GIMP at one or two main
> websites do not motivate me to do anything creative/enchanements to my
> pictures. The users on GIMP mailing list/newsgroup either have never
> been tried what I am trying to accomplish with my photo editing or have
> the attitude "Go figure it out yourself". Last but least, I am willing
> to take a class which will teach me how to process pictures. So far
> that I know, I have not seen anything for GIMP. Photoshop does have
> quite a few classes. With Photoshop, my main confusion was about the
> products at their website (Which one do I need?).
"Beginning GIMP" by Peck is an excellent resource book. "Grokking the
GIMP" is likewise an excellent and quite comprehensive tutorial.
>
> The other software packages, even the ones that came along with my
> camera really don't interest me in trying to be creative with my
> pictures.
>
> I think I will consider getting Photoshop Elements (in the next few
> weeks) and consider taking a class.
>
> Now, like Leo, I will need to find a university professor or some
> professional who offers classes locally for Photoshop.
>
> NJ
| |
|
tony cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:40:21 -0500, Dave Cohen <user@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Williams wrote:
>>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking
>>>> pictures. For the pictures I shoot, I do not process the
>>>> pictures
>>>> or enhance them with touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out
>>>> good are printed and the rest are saved.
>>>>
>>>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It
>>>> appears that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo
>>>> processing area. To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site
>>>> I was completely lost. They have tons of products with varying
>>>> price ranges. What Photoshop version(s) are used by the
>>>> community
>>>> at large to process and enhance photos? What would be the price
>>>> range?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>>
>>>> NJ
>>>>
>>>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>>>> Photoshop?
>>>
>>> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
>>> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to
>>> learn on your own.
>>> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions,
>>> you are a working professional or serious amateur and you already
>>> know your way around the program.
>>> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like
>>> yourself who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not
>>> mean
>>> dumbed down. PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost
>>> everything that a newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike
>>> full PS, Elements volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the
>>> editing process.
>>> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not
>>> intuitive. IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to
>>> help you learn what the various editing tools do and how to use
>>> them.
>>> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to
>>> purchase a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I
>>> have used a number of self-help books on using PS and I can
>>> recommend the "Teach Yourself Visually" series as well as the
>>> "Classroom in a Book" series by the Adobe Staff.
>>> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would
>>> start with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to
>>> "Classroom........"
>>> At Amazon.com, See:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Williams
>>
>> I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price
>> Grabber,
>> so I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my
>> current
>> PSP 9. All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9
>> does it in style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and
>> for animal lovers is has an animal selection which is nice. They
>> get
>> same problem but color is usually other than red.
>> Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that
>> relates to what I'm using without having to translate (although
>> much
>> of the time that does work).
>> For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
>> reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version
>> 7.
>> Dave Cohen
>
> I use Elements 5.0, and tried 6.0 as a trial. I didn't see enough
> of
> a difference between the two to buy 6.0. There's always one tool in
> a
> new version that is nice, but new versions don't offer major change.
>
> If you feel comfortable buying a book, do so. That adds $30 to $40
> to
> your cost. The price of books on any program is astronomically
> high.
> I spent $40 on a Scott Kelby book recently. It was worth it, but it
> focussed on one particular function of Photoshop (full version):
> channels.
>
> I'd recommend that you start with following some of the many online
> tutorials for Elements. They are free, and I think you'll find that
> the tutorials get you started as well as a book would. I do have a
> book on Elements (Classroom in a Book - $40) that was a gift, but I
> usually go to an online tutorial if I want additional information on
> a
> tool's use. The one advantage of the book is the included CD with
> examples.
You think 40 bucks is high, price college texts.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:40:21 -0500, Dave Cohen <user@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Williams wrote:
>>> Neil Jones wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am amateur photographer, only up to the point of taking
>>>> pictures. For the pictures I shoot, I do not process the
>>>> pictures
>>>> or enhance them with touch ups etc. The pictures that turn out
>>>> good are printed and the rest are saved.
>>>>
>>>> I am planning to purchase Photoshop to enhance the photos. It
>>>> appears that Photoshop has a religious following in the photo
>>>> processing area. To tell the truth, when I went to the Adobe site
>>>> I was completely lost. They have tons of products with varying
>>>> price ranges. What Photoshop version(s) are used by the
>>>> community
>>>> at large to process and enhance photos? What would be the price
>>>> range?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays!
>>>>
>>>> NJ
>>>>
>>>> PS - What are plugins? Do you need to buy them separately from
>>>> Photoshop?
>>>
>>> Full Photoshop is a PROFESSIONAL program.
>>> Although it is extremely powerful and versatile, it is NOT easy to
>>> learn on your own.
>>> Adode assumes that if you put out major bucks for the CS versions,
>>> you are a working professional or serious amateur and you already
>>> know your way around the program.
>>> OTOH, PS Elements is an entry level program for persons like
>>> yourself who are new to digital imaging. Entry level does not
>>> mean
>>> dumbed down. PS Elements is extremely powerful and can do almost
>>> everything that a newbie would want to do with full PS. But unlike
>>> full PS, Elements volunteers a lot of help as you work thru the
>>> editing process.
>>> Even so, using the tools in any photo editing program is not
>>> intuitive. IMHO, you will need a well written book or manual to
>>> help you learn what the various editing tools do and how to use
>>> them.
>>> I suggest that you buy PS Elements 7 and STRONGLY encourage to
>>> purchase a self-help book to go along with it. Over the years I
>>> have used a number of self-help books on using PS and I can
>>> recommend the "Teach Yourself Visually" series as well as the
>>> "Classroom in a Book" series by the Adobe Staff.
>>> Amazon carries both oh these series. For a rank beginner, I would
>>> start with Teach Yourself......" and graduate to
>>> "Classroom........"
>>> At Amazon.com, See:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-VISUALLY-Photoshop-Elem ents/dp/0470396687/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12 30189028&sr=1-4
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Williams
>>
>> I just took advantage of that $12 for Elements 6 from Price
>> Grabber,
>> so I'll be able to get a good feel for how it compares to my
>> current
>> PSP 9. All packages do red eye in one way or another, but PSP 9
>> does it in style, you get to choices on what to replace with, and
>> for animal lovers is has an animal selection which is nice. They
>> get
>> same problem but color is usually other than red.
>> Now at least I should be able to get a decent book or two that
>> relates to what I'm using without having to translate (although
>> much
>> of the time that does work).
>> For $12 the op could play with that at low risk. I looked at some
>> reviews and there doesn't appear to be much lost in 6 from version
>> 7.
>> Dave Cohen
>
> I use Elements 5.0, and tried 6.0 as a trial. I didn't see enough
> of
> a difference between the two to buy 6.0. There's always one tool in
> a
> new version that is nice, but new versions don't offer major change.
>
> If you feel comfortable buying a book, do so. That adds $30 to $40
> to
> your cost. The price of books on any program is astronomically
> high.
> I spent $40 on a Scott Kelby book recently. It was worth it, but it
> focussed on one particular function of Photoshop (full version):
> channels.
>
> I'd recommend that you start with following some of the many online
> tutorials for Elements. They are free, and I think you'll find that
> the tutorials get you started as well as a book would. I do have a
> book on Elements (Classroom in a Book - $40) that was a gift, but I
> usually go to an online tutorial if I want additional information on
> a
> tool's use. The one advantage of the book is the included CD with
> examples.
You think 40 bucks is high, price college texts.
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