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> figure out who's writing what on here.
> But, I've been around others like her.
> I know, we don't really know it's a woman, but I can't imagine a man
> writing stuff like that. Like being bothered with it.
> It's hard to believe there's more than one person online like that, but
> there probably are. They must get something out of it, feel better about
> themselves in some way.
>
I also have that thing (called human?) blocked and don't understand
what is being said. And now I don't give a damn. please do the same
go on and enjoy this group and POST whatever you want and think.
take this old man's advice. we are all here to enjoy photoshop, not that
THING
that rattles his mouth with vulgar words and put-downs
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>
>> I'v have Voivod blocked from the first post, so it's sometimes hard to
>> figure out who's writing what on here.
>> But, I've been around others like her.
>> I know, we don't really know it's a woman, but I can't imagine a man
>> writing stuff like that. Like being bothered with it.
>> It's hard to believe there's more than one person online like that, but
>> there probably are. They must get something out of it, feel better about
>> themselves in some way.
>>
> I also have that thing (called human?) blocked and don't understand
> what is being said. And now I don't give a damn. please do the same
> go on and enjoy this group and POST whatever you want and think.
> take this old man's advice. we are all here to enjoy photoshop, not that
> THING
> that rattles his mouth with vulgar words and put-downs
>
Of course.
I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
(about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those who
seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves by
doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the topic and
anyone who asks a question is dumb.
I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no dumb
questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something like that)
I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where is
page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and comes
across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And sometimes
the answer is right there.
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> Of course.
> I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
> (about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those
> who seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves
> by doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the
> topic and anyone who asks a question is dumb.
> I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no dumb
> questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something like
> that)
> I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
> questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where
> is page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and
> comes across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And
> sometimes the answer is right there.
>
years ago, i took a class on photography
paid my fee and sat down to hear the teacher
and learn. sure enough, two classmates, sitting
in front row, began interrupting rhe teacher with
their superior knowledge, they quiclkly got off the
subject , and i got confused. Well, i took it for two
or three sessions. and finally blew my top. I stood
up in class, loudly announced, with vulgar words, and said
i wanted these interruptions stopped. I paid for this class
and if it does not stop, i will file a formal complaint to the
school authorities.. the class was completely silent,
including the teacher, the teacher, red faced, announced
"lets begin again". the two smart asses were silent
throughout the remaining classes, and I learned
the other classmates nodded with approval
we have to speak up when necessary,
and tell others where to GO. If someone else
doesn't like it "TUFF LUCK"
> I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
> (about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those
> who seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves
> by doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the
> topic and anyone who asks a question is dumb.
> I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no dumb
> questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something like
> that)
> I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
> questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where
> is page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and
> comes across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And
> sometimes the answer is right there.
>
years ago, i took a class on photography
paid my fee and sat down to hear the teacher
and learn. sure enough, two classmates, sitting
in front row, began interrupting rhe teacher with
their superior knowledge, they quiclkly got off the
subject , and i got confused. Well, i took it for two
or three sessions. and finally blew my top. I stood
up in class, loudly announced, with vulgar words, and said
i wanted these interruptions stopped. I paid for this class
and if it does not stop, i will file a formal complaint to the
school authorities.. the class was completely silent,
including the teacher, the teacher, red faced, announced
"lets begin again". the two smart asses were silent
throughout the remaining classes, and I learned
the other classmates nodded with approval
we have to speak up when necessary,
and tell others where to GO. If someone else
doesn't like it "TUFF LUCK"
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On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
> ...they quickly got off the subject...
> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
> ...they quickly got off the subject...
> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
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On 2011-09-18 07:56:34 -0700, "Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> said:
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
No.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
No.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:34:25 -0400, "Ulysses" <ulysses@freeport.com>
scribbled:
>
>> I'v have Voivod blocked from the first post, so it's sometimes hard to
>> figure out who's writing what on here.
>> But, I've been around others like her.
>> I know, we don't really know it's a woman, but I can't imagine a man
>> writing stuff like that. Like being bothered with it.
>> It's hard to believe there's more than one person online like that, but
>> there probably are. They must get something out of it, feel better about
>> themselves in some way.
>>
>I also have that thing (called human?) blocked and don't understand
>what is being said. And now I don't give a damn. please do the same
>go on and enjoy this group and POST whatever you want and think.
>take this old man's advice. we are all here to enjoy photoshop, not that
>THING
>that rattles his mouth with vulgar words and put-downs
Insults from behind a filter. How brave!
scribbled:
>
>> I'v have Voivod blocked from the first post, so it's sometimes hard to
>> figure out who's writing what on here.
>> But, I've been around others like her.
>> I know, we don't really know it's a woman, but I can't imagine a man
>> writing stuff like that. Like being bothered with it.
>> It's hard to believe there's more than one person online like that, but
>> there probably are. They must get something out of it, feel better about
>> themselves in some way.
>>
>I also have that thing (called human?) blocked and don't understand
>what is being said. And now I don't give a damn. please do the same
>go on and enjoy this group and POST whatever you want and think.
>take this old man's advice. we are all here to enjoy photoshop, not that
>THING
>that rattles his mouth with vulgar words and put-downs
Insults from behind a filter. How brave!
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"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
>
first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
that the exhaust system must be above water line
and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
.... so my opinion is "fake"
thanks for reply
news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
>
first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
that the exhaust system must be above water line
and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
.... so my opinion is "fake"
thanks for reply
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"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote in message
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>> Of course.
>> I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
>> (about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those
>> who seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves
>> by doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the
>> topic and anyone who asks a question is dumb.
>> I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no
>> dumb questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something
>> like that)
>> I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
>> questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where
>> is page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and
>> comes across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And
>> sometimes the answer is right there.
>>
> years ago, i took a class on photography
> paid my fee and sat down to hear the teacher
> and learn. sure enough, two classmates, sitting
> in front row, began interrupting rhe teacher with
> their superior knowledge, they quiclkly got off the
> subject , and i got confused. Well, i took it for two
> or three sessions. and finally blew my top. I stood
> up in class, loudly announced, with vulgar words, and said
> i wanted these interruptions stopped. I paid for this class
> and if it does not stop, i will file a formal complaint to the
> school authorities.. the class was completely silent,
> including the teacher, the teacher, red faced, announced
> "lets begin again". the two smart asses were silent
> throughout the remaining classes, and I learned
> the other classmates nodded with approval
> we have to speak up when necessary,
> and tell others where to GO. If someone else
> doesn't like it "TUFF LUCK"
Of course, this is a good/legitmate point, but this (we are participating
on) is an unmoderated newsgroup. There's not really anything anyone can do.
If you read on Google groups you can report abuse, but as far as I know,
nothing is every done. The ISP can be contacted (if they don't use an
anonymous one, as some who like to act up, do) but even IF the ISP cancels
their account they can set up another one. They are paying for it and it's
business.
In a setting like this, ultimately we have to monitor ourselves, and focus
on what we want here (talking/learning about Photoshop) and ignore
everything else. Not get sidetraked by it.
Also, if you have the option, block the person and not even see it.
We can't always get rid of people (or get away from them, or get them to
shut up) in "offline" life, and really can't, here.
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>> Of course.
>> I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
>> (about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those
>> who seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves
>> by doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the
>> topic and anyone who asks a question is dumb.
>> I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no
>> dumb questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something
>> like that)
>> I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
>> questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where
>> is page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and
>> comes across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And
>> sometimes the answer is right there.
>>
> years ago, i took a class on photography
> paid my fee and sat down to hear the teacher
> and learn. sure enough, two classmates, sitting
> in front row, began interrupting rhe teacher with
> their superior knowledge, they quiclkly got off the
> subject , and i got confused. Well, i took it for two
> or three sessions. and finally blew my top. I stood
> up in class, loudly announced, with vulgar words, and said
> i wanted these interruptions stopped. I paid for this class
> and if it does not stop, i will file a formal complaint to the
> school authorities.. the class was completely silent,
> including the teacher, the teacher, red faced, announced
> "lets begin again". the two smart asses were silent
> throughout the remaining classes, and I learned
> the other classmates nodded with approval
> we have to speak up when necessary,
> and tell others where to GO. If someone else
> doesn't like it "TUFF LUCK"
Of course, this is a good/legitmate point, but this (we are participating
on) is an unmoderated newsgroup. There's not really anything anyone can do.
If you read on Google groups you can report abuse, but as far as I know,
nothing is every done. The ISP can be contacted (if they don't use an
anonymous one, as some who like to act up, do) but even IF the ISP cancels
their account they can set up another one. They are paying for it and it's
business.
In a setting like this, ultimately we have to monitor ourselves, and focus
on what we want here (talking/learning about Photoshop) and ignore
everything else. Not get sidetraked by it.
Also, if you have the option, block the person and not even see it.
We can't always get rid of people (or get away from them, or get them to
shut up) in "offline" life, and really can't, here.
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"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
I think it's a toss up. It could be totally fabricated, or not. If not,
it's probably enhanced in some way. Brightened, Clone stamped in small
ways, etc. to make it look more dramatic. Was there a point to the photo?
Did someone just tak it, at random, or was it in an ad for something, or to
illustrate an article or something? That might be a clue, too. I think the
only way to really know is to ask someone involved with it.
news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
I think it's a toss up. It could be totally fabricated, or not. If not,
it's probably enhanced in some way. Brightened, Clone stamped in small
ways, etc. to make it look more dramatic. Was there a point to the photo?
Did someone just tak it, at random, or was it in an ad for something, or to
illustrate an article or something? That might be a clue, too. I think the
only way to really know is to ask someone involved with it.
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"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
>> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>>
>>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>>
>> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>>
>> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
>>
> first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
> that the exhaust system must be above water line
> and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
> it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
> ... so my opinion is "fake"
> thanks for reply
Well, it could have entered the water and be stopped and the picture
taken at that point. With the water a little choppy around it.
Would it be good for the bike to ride it into the water like that? Though
I suppose it could be dried out after. If it was actually going (in the
water) wouldn't there be some ripples or distrubance in the water around it?
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> "Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
>> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>>
>>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>>
>> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>>
>> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
>>
> first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
> that the exhaust system must be above water line
> and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
> it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
> ... so my opinion is "fake"
> thanks for reply
Well, it could have entered the water and be stopped and the picture
taken at that point. With the water a little choppy around it.
Would it be good for the bike to ride it into the water like that? Though
I suppose it could be dried out after. If it was actually going (in the
water) wouldn't there be some ripples or distrubance in the water around it?
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"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
I found the site it comes from, other pictures there of bikes in the
water, mud, etc.
Says: "This is probably the worst idea but the photo is great
No snorkel and probably a lot of water truth the pipe love to hear the
story of this one "
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15216336#pos t15216336
The picture seems to be posted in 2003 by someone in Spain.
Seems like a lot of trouble (if it's doctored) just to post it on a site
that has other pictures of bikes in water, mud, etc.
Not like if it was for a commercial or ad for something, where it might be
put together just for effect (for some reason)
news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
>
>> ...they quickly got off the subject...
>> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
>
> Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
>
> So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
I found the site it comes from, other pictures there of bikes in the
water, mud, etc.
Says: "This is probably the worst idea but the photo is great
No snorkel and probably a lot of water truth the pipe love to hear the
story of this one "
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15216336#pos t15216336
The picture seems to be posted in 2003 by someone in Spain.
Seems like a lot of trouble (if it's doctored) just to post it on a site
that has other pictures of bikes in water, mud, etc.
Not like if it was for a commercial or ad for something, where it might be
put together just for effect (for some reason)
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In article <4e734911$0$6548$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>,
yodel_dodel@yahoo.com says...
> On 15.09.2011 10:18, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>>> http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2009_BMW_R_1200_GS _Michael_Martin
> >>>> _Planet_Desert%207.jpg
>
> >> Seems to me as if the surf in front of the motorcycle is a patch. Here
> >> is what I think is the outline of the patch (yellow line):
> >>
> >> http://coolhaus.de/misc/this-pic-is-doctored.jpg
> >>
> >> The surf is an almost straight line, in reality it should align better
> >> with the shape of the pannier, the vehicle frame, the driver's knee.
> >>
> >
> > If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> > would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> > plane is unreliable
>
> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
>
I believe the 'surf' is a wave produced by the bike (probably mainly
from tehe right pannier) as it entered the deeper water a couple of
seconds earlier. The bike is now probabbly stationary (or nearly so) and
the wave has moved forwards away from the bike. The foreshortening
effect of the telephoto shot (presumably taken from the other side of
the river) is what makes the wave look odd in relationship to the bike.
I can see no problems with depth od field or anything else.
I think that any suggestion that the photo is significantly doctored
raised more questions than it solves. Why would anybody _want_ to fake
this view?
-- Mike
yodel_dodel@yahoo.com says...
> On 15.09.2011 10:18, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>>> http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2009_BMW_R_1200_GS _Michael_Martin
> >>>> _Planet_Desert%207.jpg
>
> >> Seems to me as if the surf in front of the motorcycle is a patch. Here
> >> is what I think is the outline of the patch (yellow line):
> >>
> >> http://coolhaus.de/misc/this-pic-is-doctored.jpg
> >>
> >> The surf is an almost straight line, in reality it should align better
> >> with the shape of the pannier, the vehicle frame, the driver's knee.
> >>
> >
> > If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> > would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> > plane is unreliable
>
> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
>
I believe the 'surf' is a wave produced by the bike (probably mainly
from tehe right pannier) as it entered the deeper water a couple of
seconds earlier. The bike is now probabbly stationary (or nearly so) and
the wave has moved forwards away from the bike. The foreshortening
effect of the telephoto shot (presumably taken from the other side of
the river) is what makes the wave look odd in relationship to the bike.
I can see no problems with depth od field or anything else.
I think that any suggestion that the photo is significantly doctored
raised more questions than it solves. Why would anybody _want_ to fake
this view?
-- Mike
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The bike in question can, actually go through water like that with a
snorkel on the air box. It's one kill off-road bike.
snorkel on the air box. It's one kill off-road bike.
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In article <iModq.8085$mA3.2707@newsfe19.iad>,
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
> "Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> > On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
> >
> >> ...they quickly got off the subject...
> >> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
> >
> > Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
> >
> > So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
> >
> first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
> that the exhaust system must be above water line
> and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
> it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
> ... so my opinion is "fake"
> thanks for reply
Ulysses, I rode for thirty years, many different kinds of street bikes
of manufacturing dates from 1956 to 1995, Harley, BMW, Ducati and as
long as the ignition was sealed, and the carbs were above water, the
bike would go through the water with the pipes underwater - but #1, I
did not go as deep as the bike in question and #2, none had sealed
ignitions, although the BMW's was higher. They all eventually came out
rather badly from the crossing.
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
> "Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4e7606a1$0$7629$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
> > On 18.09.2011 16:41, Ulysses wrote:
> >
> >> ...they quickly got off the subject...
> >> ... i wanted these interruptions stopped.
> >
> > Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.
> >
> > So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
> >
> first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
> that the exhaust system must be above water line
> and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
> it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
> ... so my opinion is "fake"
> thanks for reply
Ulysses, I rode for thirty years, many different kinds of street bikes
of manufacturing dates from 1956 to 1995, Harley, BMW, Ducati and as
long as the ignition was sealed, and the carbs were above water, the
bike would go through the water with the pipes underwater - but #1, I
did not go as deep as the bike in question and #2, none had sealed
ignitions, although the BMW's was higher. They all eventually came out
rather badly from the crossing.
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In article
<4e734911$0$6548$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>,
"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 15.09.2011 10:18, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>>> http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2009_BMW_R_1200_GS _Michael_Mart
> >>>> in
> >>>> _Planet_Desert%207.jpg
>
> >> Seems to me as if the surf in front of the motorcycle is a patch. Here
> >> is what I think is the outline of the patch (yellow line):
> >>
> >> http://coolhaus.de/misc/this-pic-is-doctored.jpg
> >>
> >> The surf is an almost straight line, in reality it should align better
> >> with the shape of the pannier, the vehicle frame, the driver's knee.
> >>
> >
> > If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> > would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> > plane is unreliable
>
> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
--
dorayme
<4e734911$0$6548$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>,
"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 15.09.2011 10:18, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>>> http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2009_BMW_R_1200_GS _Michael_Mart
> >>>> in
> >>>> _Planet_Desert%207.jpg
>
> >> Seems to me as if the surf in front of the motorcycle is a patch. Here
> >> is what I think is the outline of the patch (yellow line):
> >>
> >> http://coolhaus.de/misc/this-pic-is-doctored.jpg
> >>
> >> The surf is an almost straight line, in reality it should align better
> >> with the shape of the pannier, the vehicle frame, the driver's knee.
> >>
> >
> > If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> > would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> > plane is unreliable
>
> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
--
dorayme
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On 01.10.2011 16:04, dorayme wrote:
>>> If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
>>> would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
>>> plane is unreliable
>>
>> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
>> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
>> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
>> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
>> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
>
> If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
> much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
> about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
> previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
I am experienced enough with motorcycling to confidently say that, so
deep in the water, this bike cannot move fast enough to cause a bow
wash of the magnitude seen here. Hence, this can't be a bow wave. It
would have to be be surf caused by the current - if it was real.
--
Gregor mit dem Motorrad auf Reisen
http://hothaus.de/greg-tour/
noise seems to convey great ideas of power to the ignorant
- James Watt
>>> If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
>>> would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
>>> plane is unreliable
>>
>> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
>> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
>> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
>> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
>> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
>
> If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
> much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
> about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
> previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
I am experienced enough with motorcycling to confidently say that, so
deep in the water, this bike cannot move fast enough to cause a bow
wash of the magnitude seen here. Hence, this can't be a bow wave. It
would have to be be surf caused by the current - if it was real.
--
Gregor mit dem Motorrad auf Reisen
http://hothaus.de/greg-tour/
noise seems to convey great ideas of power to the ignorant
- James Watt
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In article <j6fh4u$rb2$2@solani.org>,
"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 01.10.2011 16:04, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>> If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> >>> would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> >>> plane is unreliable
> >>
> >> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> >> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> >> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> >> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> >> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
> >
> > If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
> > much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
> > about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
> > previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
>
> I am experienced enough with motorcycling to confidently say that, so
> deep in the water, this bike cannot move fast enough to cause a bow
> wash of the magnitude seen here. Hence, this can't be a bow wave. It
> would have to be be surf caused by the current - if it was real.
Not questioning your known experience (we have slightly and
pleasantly swapped MC experience before I think, years back). But
your above is a non-sequitur. The bike might have not been in the
water long, its sudden entry and being brought to a halt by the
resistance of the water might have caused what we are seeing. I
am not saying you are wrong to think it doctored, I am saying it
is a bit hard to tell on the basis of the things you are pointing
to.
--
dorayme
"Greg N." <yodel_dodel@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 01.10.2011 16:04, dorayme wrote:
>
> >>> If the bike is moving forward, your expectation that the surf
> >>> would not appear roughly as a straight line perp to the 'film'
> >>> plane is unreliable
> >>
> >> So deeply immersed in Water, a bike can move only very slowly. The surf
> >> appears not to be caused by the bike's movement, but by the current
> >> coming from the left. Therefore, the surf should align closely with the
> >> pannier, the driver's knee and especially with the gap between these
> >> two. Instead, it stands there like a wall.
> >
> > If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
> > much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
> > about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
> > previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
>
> I am experienced enough with motorcycling to confidently say that, so
> deep in the water, this bike cannot move fast enough to cause a bow
> wash of the magnitude seen here. Hence, this can't be a bow wave. It
> would have to be be surf caused by the current - if it was real.
Not questioning your known experience (we have slightly and
pleasantly swapped MC experience before I think, years back). But
your above is a non-sequitur. The bike might have not been in the
water long, its sudden entry and being brought to a halt by the
resistance of the water might have caused what we are seeing. I
am not saying you are wrong to think it doctored, I am saying it
is a bit hard to tell on the basis of the things you are pointing
to.
--
dorayme
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