Checked in tonight before going to bed, and now an hour later, still here.
Good discussions tonight and I feel like I learned a lot.
This is how the ng should be. (could be if we ignore all the meaningless
filler!)
> Checked in tonight before going to bed, and now an hour later, still here.
>Good discussions tonight and I feel like I learned a lot.
> This is how the ng should be. (could be if we ignore all the meaningless
>filler!)
Since I have Voivod blocked I only see what he/she writes when it's
reposted. I can't seem to believe a MAN would write such petty, catty
things like this, and Voivod could be male or female name.
Going by the article you posted the person doing it was autistic (and
alcoholic) though I don't know why his family, or someone in charge of him
didn't step in and do something, get him treatment, keep him away from the
internet, etc. Doesn't seem like going to jail is the answer, he apparently
needs mental help. Just like the ones who do things like this on the
newsgroups probably do.
And, as the father said "to get attention" (in a negative way) Doesn't
seem like anything a sane, mentally stable person (with any kind of life)
would spend time doing.
I wonder how the "trolls" who try and drive people away, off the
newsgroups would feel if eveyone did leave and stop posting? Would they get
as much fun writing back and forth to each other? At some point there
wouldn't be anyone left. Maybe that's the point, to feel so powerful they
have driven everyone away.
Its called " Feeding the Troll " from the Aesop Story " The 3 Billy
Gots gruff " lol
No you are right, this is a good Newsgroup, and a good side of the
internet.
If everyone did leave then he would move on,
>
>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>news:58de77ho4korhugkn1l7k98ppk2tcq7dor@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> Voivod no ..
>>
>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>> will.
>>
>> And she made a valid point.
>>
>>
>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>
>>
>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>
>> The laws are changing now.
>>
>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>
>
>Since I have Voivod blocked I only see what he/she writes when it's
>reposted. I can't seem to believe a MAN would write such petty, catty
>things like this, and Voivod could be male or female name.
> Going by the article you posted the person doing it was autistic (and
>alcoholic) though I don't know why his family, or someone in charge of him
>didn't step in and do something, get him treatment, keep him away from the
>internet, etc. Doesn't seem like going to jail is the answer, he apparently
>needs mental help. Just like the ones who do things like this on the
>newsgroups probably do.
> And, as the father said "to get attention" (in a negative way) Doesn't
>seem like anything a sane, mentally stable person (with any kind of life)
>would spend time doing.
> I wonder how the "trolls" who try and drive people away, off the
>newsgroups would feel if eveyone did leave and stop posting? Would they get
>as much fun writing back and forth to each other? At some point there
>wouldn't be anyone left. Maybe that's the point, to feel so powerful they
>have driven everyone away.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Life is Good !!!
>
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>
> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
> will.
>
> And she made a valid point.
>
> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>
> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
> to prison, for 18 months.
>
> The laws are changing now.
>
> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>
> Regards
> Life is Good !!!
;)
I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
Florida.
--
Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, but
call it a hemorrhoid when it's in your ass?
>Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>will.
Which is what I've done.
>And she made a valid point.
As did I.
>Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>
>
>And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>to prison, for 18 months.
>
>The laws are changing now.
Yeah, now if you could just get me extradited to the UK... or maybe if
you READ the article and grasped how it has no correlation to what's
going on here.
"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:mmke77t7055am4pqlqatdh0g1dqtg12vsa@4ax.com...
>
>
> Carrie,
>
> Its called " Feeding the Troll " from the Aesop Story " The 3 Billy
> Gots gruff " lol
> No you are right, this is a good Newsgroup, and a good side of the
> internet.
> If everyone did leave then he would move on,
>
>
> Enough said.
There's also the method of fishing "trolling". The way I understand it, the
boats (Trollers) go along dragging nets in back and then pull them in to see
what they have caught. That could be one aspect of it online. Throw out the
bait and see who takes it?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:14:43 -0400, "Carrie"
> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>>news:58de77ho4korhugkn1l7k98ppk2tcq7dor@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Voivod no ..
>>>
>>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>>> will.
>>>
>>> And she made a valid point.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>>
>>>
>>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>>
>>> The laws are changing now.
>>>
>>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>>
>>
>>Since I have Voivod blocked I only see what he/she writes when it's
>>reposted. I can't seem to believe a MAN would write such petty, catty
>>things like this, and Voivod could be male or female name.
>> Going by the article you posted the person doing it was autistic (and
>>alcoholic) though I don't know why his family, or someone in charge of him
>>didn't step in and do something, get him treatment, keep him away from the
>>internet, etc. Doesn't seem like going to jail is the answer, he
>>apparently
>>needs mental help. Just like the ones who do things like this on the
>>newsgroups probably do.
>> And, as the father said "to get attention" (in a negative way) Doesn't
>>seem like anything a sane, mentally stable person (with any kind of life)
>>would spend time doing.
>> I wonder how the "trolls" who try and drive people away, off the
>>newsgroups would feel if eveyone did leave and stop posting? Would they
>>get
>>as much fun writing back and forth to each other? At some point there
>>wouldn't be anyone left. Maybe that's the point, to feel so powerful they
>>have driven everyone away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Life is Good !!!
>>
>
> Life is Good !!!
"idle" <idle@mycomputer.com> wrote in message
news:j57oif$mo7$1@dont-email.me...
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
> alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>>
>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>> will.
>>
>> And she made a valid point.
>>
>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>
>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>
>> The laws are changing now.
>>
>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>
>> Regards
>> Life is Good !!!
>
> ;)
> I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
> Florida.
>
I don't see how it applies to someone with mental issues. Seems like it
would be applied to whoever is in charge of the man, even though he is 25 he
needs, or should have a keeper.
>
>
> --
> Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, but
> call it a hemorrhoid when it's in your ass?
On 09/19/2011 11:53 AM, idle wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
> alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>>
>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>> will.
>>
>> And she made a valid point.
>>
>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>
>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>
>> The laws are changing now.
>>
>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>
>> Regards
>> Life is Good !!!
>
> ;)
> I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
> Florida.
You're close. Actually, he lives, if you can call it that, in his Mom's
basement.
>
>
>
On 9/19/2011 12:54 PM, Craig Schiller wrote:
>
>
> On 09/19/2011 11:53 AM, idle wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
>> alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>>>
>>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>>> will.
>>>
>>> And she made a valid point.
>>>
>>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>>
>>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>>
>>> The laws are changing now.
>>>
>>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Life is Good !!!
>>
>> ;)
>> I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
>> Florida.
>
> You're close. Actually, he lives, if you can call it that, in his Mom's
> basement.
>>
>
>
>On 09/19/2011 11:53 AM, idle wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
>> alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>>>
>>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>>> will.
>>>
>>> And she made a valid point.
>>>
>>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>>
>>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>>
>>> The laws are changing now.
>>>
>>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Life is Good !!!
>>
>> ;)
>> I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
>> Florida.
>
>You're close. Actually, he lives, if you can call it that, in his Mom's
>basement.
You guys are fun! Seriously!
Too bad houses down here don't have basements but better luck next time!
>
>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>news:mmke77t7055am4pqlqatdh0g1dqtg12vsa@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> Carrie,
>>
>> Its called " Feeding the Troll " from the Aesop Story " The 3 Billy
>> Gots gruff " lol
>> No you are right, this is a good Newsgroup, and a good side of the
>> internet.
>> If everyone did leave then he would move on,
>>
>>
>> Enough said.
>
>
>There's also the method of fishing "trolling". The way I understand it, the
>boats (Trollers) go along dragging nets in back and then pull them in to see
>what they have caught. That could be one aspect of it online. Throw out the
>bait and see who takes it?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:14:43 -0400, "Carrie"
>> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>>>news:58de77ho4korhugkn1l7k98ppk2tcq7dor@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Voivod no ..
>>>>
>>>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>>>> will.
>>>>
>>>> And she made a valid point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>>>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> The laws are changing now.
>>>>
>>>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>Since I have Voivod blocked I only see what he/she writes when it's
>>>reposted. I can't seem to believe a MAN would write such petty, catty
>>>things like this, and Voivod could be male or female name.
>>> Going by the article you posted the person doing it was autistic (and
>>>alcoholic) though I don't know why his family, or someone in charge of him
>>>didn't step in and do something, get him treatment, keep him away from the
>>>internet, etc. Doesn't seem like going to jail is the answer, he
>>>apparently
>>>needs mental help. Just like the ones who do things like this on the
>>>newsgroups probably do.
>>> And, as the father said "to get attention" (in a negative way) Doesn't
>>>seem like anything a sane, mentally stable person (with any kind of life)
>>>would spend time doing.
>>> I wonder how the "trolls" who try and drive people away, off the
>>>newsgroups would feel if eveyone did leave and stop posting? Would they
>>>get
>>>as much fun writing back and forth to each other? At some point there
>>>wouldn't be anyone left. Maybe that's the point, to feel so powerful they
>>>have driven everyone away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Life is Good !!!
>>>
>>
>> Life is Good !!!
>
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:31:03 +0100, Ritchie Valens wrote in
>alt.graphics.photoshop:> Voivod no ..
>>
>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>> will.
>>
>> And she made a valid point.
>>
>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>
>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>
>> The laws are changing now.
>>
>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>
>> Regards
>> Life is Good !!!
>
>;)
>I don't see how UK law applies to someone living in a trailer in
>Florida.
Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet radio
that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>
> :-)
>
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:52:22 -0400, "Carrie"
> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>>news:mmke77t7055am4pqlqatdh0g1dqtg12vsa@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Carrie,
>>>
>>> Its called " Feeding the Troll " from the Aesop Story " The 3 Billy
>>> Gots gruff " lol
>>> No you are right, this is a good Newsgroup, and a good side of the
>>> internet.
>>> If everyone did leave then he would move on,
>>>
>>>
>>> Enough said.
>>
>>
>>There's also the method of fishing "trolling". The way I understand it,
>>the
>>boats (Trollers) go along dragging nets in back and then pull them in to
>>see
>>what they have caught. That could be one aspect of it online. Throw out
>>the
>>bait and see who takes it?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:14:43 -0400, "Carrie"
>>> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:58de77ho4korhugkn1l7k98ppk2tcq7dor@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Voivod no ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Shes making a generic comment, and whoever chooses to respond can and
>>>>> will.
>>>>>
>>>>> And she made a valid point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote " We could... but you keep coming back "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And by the way have you seen the latest news about a troll thats gone
>>>>> to prison, for 18 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> The laws are changing now.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Beware You are being watched Voivod
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036935/Natasha-MacB ryde-death-Facebook-internet-troll-Sean-Duffy-jailed.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Since I have Voivod blocked I only see what he/she writes when it's
>>>>reposted. I can't seem to believe a MAN would write such petty, catty
>>>>things like this, and Voivod could be male or female name.
>>>> Going by the article you posted the person doing it was autistic (and
>>>>alcoholic) though I don't know why his family, or someone in charge of
>>>>him
>>>>didn't step in and do something, get him treatment, keep him away from
>>>>the
>>>>internet, etc. Doesn't seem like going to jail is the answer, he
>>>>apparently
>>>>needs mental help. Just like the ones who do things like this on the
>>>>newsgroups probably do.
>>>> And, as the father said "to get attention" (in a negative way) Doesn't
>>>>seem like anything a sane, mentally stable person (with any kind of
>>>>life)
>>>>would spend time doing.
>>>> I wonder how the "trolls" who try and drive people away, off the
>>>>newsgroups would feel if eveyone did leave and stop posting? Would they
>>>>get
>>>>as much fun writing back and forth to each other? At some point there
>>>>wouldn't be anyone left. Maybe that's the point, to feel so powerful
>>>>they
>>>>have driven everyone away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Life is Good !!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Life is Good !!!
>>
>
> Life is Good !!!
>
> "Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
> news:avff779em37a8v2fcocrgn9ie6dq8m62lb@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> lol
>> I thought they were Trawlers,
>>
>> I learnt that from the TV Series the deadliest catch of the crab
>> fishermen..
>
> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet radio
> that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
> refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
In fishing terms "trawling" & "trolling" are two very different things.
Trawling, is the drawing of a massive open mouthed net across the ocean
floor. The mouth of the net is held open by steel plates on either
side. This method of fishing is extremely damaging to the ocean floor
and indiscriminate as to what is caught and/or killed. As such it is
not very enviro-friendly. In the Gulf of Mexico special modifications
had to be made to the trawl nets to make them turtle safe as that
population was threatened.
Trolling for most anglers means trailing a single line and hook baited
with a lure, or bait, behind a slowly moving boat. This imitates the
movement of a bait fish through the water. This is without reference to
the Brothers Grimm, grotesque guardian of the bridge, "Troll".
In the usenet World "troll" and "trolling" refer to both the grotesque
character and the method of fishing where the antisocial "troll" fishes
the usenet waters by "trolling" with bait in the form of a deceptive,
camouflaged subject.
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2011092007355678840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2011-09-20 06:37:15 -0700, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:avff779em37a8v2fcocrgn9ie6dq8m62lb@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> lol
>>> I thought they were Trawlers,
>>>
>>> I learnt that from the TV Series the deadliest catch of the crab
>>> fishermen..
>>
>> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet
>> radio
>> that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
>> refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
>> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>
> In fishing terms "trawling" & "trolling" are two very different things.
>
> Trawling, is the drawing of a massive open mouthed net across the ocean
> floor. The mouth of the net is held open by steel plates on either side.
> This method of fishing is extremely damaging to the ocean floor and
> indiscriminate as to what is caught and/or killed. As such it is not very
> enviro-friendly. In the Gulf of Mexico special modifications had to be
> made to the trawl nets to make them turtle safe as that population was
> threatened.
>
> Trolling for most anglers means trailing a single line and hook baited
> with a lure, or bait, behind a slowly moving boat. This imitates the
> movement of a bait fish through the water. This is without reference to
> the Brothers Grimm, grotesque guardian of the bridge, "Troll".
>
> In the usenet World "troll" and "trolling" refer to both the grotesque
> character and the method of fishing where the antisocial "troll" fishes
> the usenet waters by "trolling" with bait in the form of a deceptive,
> camouflaged subject.
Thanks... learn something new everyday. I had a feeling troll also
referred to "throwing out bait" and thus also refers to internet "trolls"
who do this. Say stuff and see what they get back, in a negative way. Also
the troll under the bridge idea. It's a fitting name, but also I've seen it
get thrown out just to make someone else look bad. It's like "all's fair on
unmoderated internet". And it's not all that fair ON moderated, with
someone in charge. In a way it's like a mini "world" of it's own.
>
> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet radio
>that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
>refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>
>
>
For many of us the best memories of life were as kids.
I remember Shortwave radios, and listening to stories on the British
World Service.
Life is Good !!!
"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:63uh77tv7j24hve2uo8g8rab6fjsrmq8g1@4ax.com...
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:37:15 -0400, "Carrie"
> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet
>> radio
>>that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
>>refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
>> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>>
>>
>>
>
> For many of us the best memories of life were as kids.
>
> I remember Shortwave radios, and listening to stories on the British
> World Service.
> Life is Good !!!
We didn't have a TV till I was 11. I'd make a bed of blankets and pillows,
with books, coloring books, and such around me in front of the big cabinet
radio. Listen to the radio shows (some were later TV shows) Listen to the
shortwave bands at night. Radio Free Europe and Radio Havana with it's
on-going talk. People talking on shortwave, or in foreign countries (I
couldn't understand).
Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet, cell
phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
I'm surprised someone hasn't lectured us here about being OT (LOL)
But, at least it's a good discussion and not mean-spirited. Well, maybe it
is on-topic, about trolls.
>
>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>news:63uh77tv7j24hve2uo8g8rab6fjsrmq8g1@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:37:15 -0400, "Carrie"
>> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet
>>> radio
>>>that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
>>>refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
>>> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For many of us the best memories of life were as kids.
>>
>> I remember Shortwave radios, and listening to stories on the British
>> World Service.
>> Life is Good !!!
>
> We didn't have a TV till I was 11. I'd make a bed of blankets and pillows,
>with books, coloring books, and such around me in front of the big cabinet
>radio. Listen to the radio shows (some were later TV shows) Listen to the
>shortwave bands at night. Radio Free Europe and Radio Havana with it's
>on-going talk. People talking on shortwave, or in foreign countries (I
>couldn't understand).
> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet, cell
>phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
> I'm surprised someone hasn't lectured us here about being OT (LOL)
> But, at least it's a good discussion and not mean-spirited. Well, maybe it
>is on-topic, about trolls.
>
"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:98nj77po9pia1c61rib7rjtd09b51k32oe@4ax.com...
>
> Carrie,
>
> We still have shortwave radio.
> CB radio is in the shorwave radio frequencies.
>
> The reason SW is popular is because the signal travels for miles.
And bounces off the moon... the original communication satellite.
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:27:40 -0400, "Carrie"
> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>>news:63uh77tv7j24hve2uo8g8rab6fjsrmq8g1@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:37:15 -0400, "Carrie"
>>> <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, that's probably it. When I was a child we had a big old cabinet
>>>> radio
>>>>that got short wave, too. I used to hear ship to shore calls and they'd
>>>>refer to them as the "Trawler- whatever the name was". Sounds the same.
>>>> I still think it fits with "trollers" on the internet LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> For many of us the best memories of life were as kids.
>>>
>>> I remember Shortwave radios, and listening to stories on the British
>>> World Service.
>>> Life is Good !!!
>>
>> We didn't have a TV till I was 11. I'd make a bed of blankets and
>> pillows,
>>with books, coloring books, and such around me in front of the big cabinet
>>radio. Listen to the radio shows (some were later TV shows) Listen to the
>>shortwave bands at night. Radio Free Europe and Radio Havana with it's
>>on-going talk. People talking on shortwave, or in foreign countries (I
>>couldn't understand).
>> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet,
>> cell
>>phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
>> I'm surprised someone hasn't lectured us here about being OT (LOL)
>> But, at least it's a good discussion and not mean-spirited. Well, maybe
>> it
>>is on-topic, about trolls.
>>
>
> Life is Good !!!
>
> "Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
> news:98nj77po9pia1c61rib7rjtd09b51k32oe@4ax.com...
>>
>> Carrie,
>>
>> We still have shortwave radio.
>> CB radio is in the shorwave radio frequencies.
>>
>> The reason SW is popular is because the signal travels for miles.
>
> And bounces off the moon... the original communication satellite.
Wrong!
The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere.
The ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important
part in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because
it influences radio propagation around the Earth.
It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with
electrical noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why
phenomena such as "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2011092107195717709-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2011-09-21 06:53:06 -0700, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:98nj77po9pia1c61rib7rjtd09b51k32oe@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Carrie,
>>>
>>> We still have shortwave radio.
>>> CB radio is in the shorwave radio frequencies.
>>>
>>> The reason SW is popular is because the signal travels for miles.
>>
>> And bounces off the moon... the original communication satellite.
>
> Wrong!
>
> The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere. The
> ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important part
> in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because it
> influences radio propagation around the Earth.
> It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with electrical
> noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why phenomena such as
> "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
> It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
> line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
>
I liked the idea of them bouncing off the moon LOL
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
It does bounce off the ionosphere like you correctly said.
Every 7 years the sunspot cycles create havoc on certain RF ( Radio
Frequencies )
>
>Wrong!
>
>The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere.
>The ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important
>part in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because
>it influences radio propagation around the Earth.
>It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with
>electrical noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why
>phenomena such as "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
>It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
>line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
On 2011-09-21 15:23:51 -0700, Ritchie Valens <me@here.com> said:
>
>
> Shes only 5% wrong :-)
SW frequencies bouncing off the Moon is only 5% wrong?
Please explain that logic.
I think you should reevaluate your understanding of propagation of
radio waves in the usual SW RF bandwidths. The Moon has no involvement
at all with shortwave radio.
>
> It does bounce off the ionosphere like you correctly said.
I'm glad you agree.
>
> Every 7 years the sunspot cycles create havoc on certain RF ( Radio
> Frequencies )
Yup!
The effect of solar radiation on the ionosphere is also the reason
shortwave reception is better at night.
>>
>> Wrong!
>>
>> The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere.
>> The ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important
>> part in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because
>> it influences radio propagation around the Earth.
>> It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with
>> electrical noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why
>> phenomena such as "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
>> It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
>> line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
>
> Life is Good !!!
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2011092115420375249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2011-09-21 15:23:51 -0700, Ritchie Valens <me@here.com> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Shes only 5% wrong :-)
>
> SW frequencies bouncing off the Moon is only 5% wrong?
> Please explain that logic.
> I think you should reevaluate your understanding of propagation of radio
> waves in the usual SW RF bandwidths. The Moon has no involvement at all
> with shortwave radio.
>
>>
>> It does bounce off the ionosphere like you correctly said.
>
> I'm glad you agree.
>
>>
>> Every 7 years the sunspot cycles create havoc on certain RF ( Radio
>> Frequencies )
>
> Yup!
>
> The effect of solar radiation on the ionosphere is also the reason
> shortwave reception is better at night.
Maybe this is where I got it from...
>
>>>
>>> Wrong!
>>>
>>> The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere.
>>> The ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important
>>> part in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because
>>> it influences radio propagation around the Earth.
>>> It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with
>>> electrical noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why
>>> phenomena such as "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
>>> It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
>>> line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
>>
>> Life is Good !!!
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Looks like we have a self appointed Mr Know it all.
Regards
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:19:57 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>On 2011-09-21 06:53:06 -0700, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:98nj77po9pia1c61rib7rjtd09b51k32oe@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Carrie,
>>>
>>> We still have shortwave radio.
>>> CB radio is in the shorwave radio frequencies.
>>>
>>> The reason SW is popular is because the signal travels for miles.
>>
>> And bounces off the moon... the original communication satellite.
>
>Wrong!
>
>The signal bounces off the ionosphere, part of the upper atmosphere.
>The ionosphere is ionized by solar radiation, and it plays an important
>part in atmospheric electricity. It is practically important because
>it influences radio propagation around the Earth.
>It is also the reason those SW radio signals are effected with
>electrical noise (which most folks referred to as "static") and why
>phenomena such as "Sun spots" effect short wave transmission.
>It is also the reason for FM, and why it is so noise free as it uses a
>line of sight transmission completely avoiding the ionosphere.
> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet, cell
> phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
My Brother-in-law was a shortwave fanatic all his life. He had an
antennae stretched over 100 yards over his farm, and shorter ones at odd
angles. He used to bring us news that was shocking, some of it debatable
as first-person.
Four years ago he said that the Internet has taken over the same role,
however just recently he said that short-wave has become the internet's
undernet. Life has resumed its interesting communication.
On 2011-09-21 17:51:16 -0700, Ritchie Valens <me@here.com> said:
>
> lol
>
> Looks like we have a self appointed Mr Know it all.
That is disingenuous of you, considering that I have been nothing but
courteous in this discussion.
When I have knowledge of a subject, be it an issue with Photoshop, or
when I see somebody who has the wrong idea of a concept, such as that
brought up in this sub-thread regarding SW RF propagation, I try to
bring some clarity to the muddied information.
When a statement is made and it is undoubtably wrong, I will challenge it.
....but if you would prefer to remain blissfully uninformed, who am I to
intrude on your ignorance.
>In article <wYbeq.33129$oz6.4220@newsfe11.iad>,
> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet, cell
>> phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
>
>My Brother-in-law was a shortwave fanatic all his life. He had an
>antennae stretched over 100 yards over his farm, and shorter ones at odd
>angles. He used to bring us news that was shocking, some of it debatable
>as first-person.
>
>Four years ago he said that the Internet has taken over the same role,
>however just recently he said that short-wave has become the internet's
>undernet. Life has resumed its interesting communication.
"John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
news:john-E5F0B3.20014721092011@news.supernews.com...
> In article <wYbeq.33129$oz6.4220@newsfe11.iad>,
> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet,
>> cell
>> phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
>
> My Brother-in-law was a shortwave fanatic all his life. He had an
> antennae stretched over 100 yards over his farm, and shorter ones at odd
> angles. He used to bring us news that was shocking, some of it debatable
> as first-person.
>
> Four years ago he said that the Internet has taken over the same role,
> however just recently he said that short-wave has become the internet's
> undernet. Life has resumed its interesting communication.
My uncle had a "radio shack" in his yard. Long time ago, when I was a child
(and that was a long time ago), I didn't realize at the time he was involved
in starting the first radio station in MA. It might be the first one in the
country, but they had a fire in the 50's (the station) that burned a lot of
the records so they can't prove it. I learned this when I inherted a lot of
his pictures and papers, and got in touch with a radio historian, who was
very interested in them, and I donated them. Though nothing in them could
prove it WAS the first radion station in the country. Had info and stories
about how they had to maintain the towers and actually climb up them to fix
things. I don't understand all that, but to do with transmitting and
frequencies, and such. Radio-electronics it might have been called.
Hard to imagine what a big deal it was at the time. And being in touch like
that. When I first got online and learned there was an instant message
program called ICQ I realized that was from radio talk. C-Q looking for
someone to talk to.
Later, when I was in my teens/20's I had a short wave receiver and got into
listening to the calls, and wanted to get a license and a transciever. I got
to know some of the people who did, and was a SWL. I used to make attempts
at learning morse code, which was required for the license (first step)
Don't remember much, and never did learn to read/send it very fast.
Makes one wonder what will be next, if the internet and cell phones, etc
is like short wave and radio was "back then". I've read the some think the
next step will be having communication devices implanted so we can
communicate without having a computer, phone, etc.
I used to love listening to people from around the country and world.
"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:1o7l77djoo0c96ptvitonrh5rpmgqenl47@4ax.com...
>
> Now, computing and amateur radio works together.
>
> Its called packet radio, and has been around for a long time.
>
> I have managed to speak to someone nearly 2000 miles away on a 1/4
> watt hand held, which was hard to believe at the time
>
>
> Regards
There's also Skype and such.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:01:47 -0500, John J Stafford
> <john@stafford.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <wYbeq.33129$oz6.4220@newsfe11.iad>,
>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet,
>>> cell
>>> phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
>>
>>My Brother-in-law was a shortwave fanatic all his life. He had an
>>antennae stretched over 100 yards over his farm, and shorter ones at odd
>>angles. He used to bring us news that was shocking, some of it debatable
>>as first-person.
>>
>>Four years ago he said that the Internet has taken over the same role,
>>however just recently he said that short-wave has become the internet's
>>undernet. Life has resumed its interesting communication.
>
> Life is Good !!!
Not long ago, I worked aboard the USS Battleship Missouri, a tourist destiny
now. People are still communicating with morse code! I watched the radio
operators a few times using the "vibroplex" to tap out their communications
amazingly fast in a form of short-hand. There is a website where radio
operators can punch in a call sign, and if listed, details about the
destination is specified. Morse code is preferable in some cases as it is a
universal language around the world.
"Kele" <NotHere@home.org> wrote in message
news:4e7b7a96$0$3801$afc38c87@read01.usenet4all.se...
> Not long ago, I worked aboard the USS Battleship Missouri, a tourist
> destiny now. People are still communicating with morse code! I watched
> the radio operators a few times using the "vibroplex" to tap out their
> communications amazingly fast in a form of short-hand. There is a website
> where radio operators can punch in a call sign, and if listed, details
> about the destination is specified. Morse code is preferable in some
> cases as it is a universal language around the world.
>
> http://kh6bb.org/
>
That's ome ship!
>
>"Ritchie Valens" <me@here.com> wrote in message
>news:1o7l77djoo0c96ptvitonrh5rpmgqenl47@4ax.com...
>>
>> Now, computing and amateur radio works together.
>>
>> Its called packet radio, and has been around for a long time.
>>
>> I have managed to speak to someone nearly 2000 miles away on a 1/4
>> watt hand held, which was hard to believe at the time
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
> There's also Skype and such.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:01:47 -0500, John J Stafford
>> <john@stafford.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <wYbeq.33129$oz6.4220@newsfe11.iad>,
>>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do people still have shortwave and CB radios? Now with the internet,
>>>> cell
>>>> phones, smart phones, etc. Just thought of that.
>>>
>>>My Brother-in-law was a shortwave fanatic all his life. He had an
>>>antennae stretched over 100 yards over his farm, and shorter ones at odd
>>>angles. He used to bring us news that was shocking, some of it debatable
>>>as first-person.
>>>
>>>Four years ago he said that the Internet has taken over the same role,
>>>however just recently he said that short-wave has become the internet's
>>>undernet. Life has resumed its interesting communication.
>>
>> Life is Good !!!
>
Okay, the ionosphere does reflect some radio waves back to Earth,
but not all. Many amateur radio operators use moon bounce to send
signals, but it's more of something to play with. You need a very
high frequency transmitter and an antenna array to accomplish
this....something along the lines of a helical array.
The term ICQ means what it stands for...I seek you, just like in
ham radio, the CQ means seek you.
While amateur radio is still active around the world, there have
been lots of changes in it. Now, with a walkie-talkie and using a
duplex repeater, you can talk to other amateurs all over the world. (I
once talked to a guy in Nagasaki, Japan and I was in passing through
Maryland.)
Ham operators were the ones to develop what is now the cell
phone. Many years before we had cell phones, hams had touch tone pads
on their walkie-talkies, and by punching in a three digit number, they
were tied in to a phone line through a local radio club's repeater.
Once they had a dial tone, they just punched in the phone number of
whoever they wanted. When they were finished the call, they punched
in one digit and the phone line was disconnected.
As for Morse Code, this was a requirement to get your Ham
license. The purpose of the goverment issuing ham licenses was so
that if a war broke out, the government would have a source of trained
radio operators that knew how to operate a radio station and could
understand Morse Code. The reason they use Morse Code is because it
takes up little bandwidth to send and that allows it to be sent
further than voice communications.....especially when there is
interference on the airwaves, either man made or naturally occuring.
Morse Code will punch through when voice can't....even single
sideband.
Talker
(ps. I'm not a know-it-all, I've just been an amateur radio operator
for 46 years.)
> Okay, the ionosphere does reflect some radio waves back to Earth,
>but not all. Many amateur radio operators use moon bounce to send
>signals, but it's more of something to play with. You need a very
>high frequency transmitter and an antenna array to accomplish
>this....something along the lines of a helical array.
> The term ICQ means what it stands for...I seek you, just like in
>ham radio, the CQ means seek you.
> While amateur radio is still active around the world, there have
>been lots of changes in it. Now, with a walkie-talkie and using a
>duplex repeater, you can talk to other amateurs all over the world. (I
>once talked to a guy in Nagasaki, Japan and I was in passing through
>Maryland.)
> Ham operators were the ones to develop what is now the cell
>phone. Many years before we had cell phones, hams had touch tone pads
>on their walkie-talkies, and by punching in a three digit number, they
>were tied in to a phone line through a local radio club's repeater.
>Once they had a dial tone, they just punched in the phone number of
>whoever they wanted. When they were finished the call, they punched
>in one digit and the phone line was disconnected.
> As for Morse Code, this was a requirement to get your Ham
>license. The purpose of the goverment issuing ham licenses was so
>that if a war broke out, the government would have a source of trained
>radio operators that knew how to operate a radio station and could
>understand Morse Code. The reason they use Morse Code is because it
>takes up little bandwidth to send and that allows it to be sent
>further than voice communications.....especially when there is
>interference on the airwaves, either man made or naturally occuring.
>Morse Code will punch through when voice can't....even single
>sideband.
>
>Talker
>(ps. I'm not a know-it-all, I've just been an amateur radio operator
>for 46 years.)
Hey, fucktards. PHOTOSHOP. Take your douchebag radio conversations to an
appropriate group.