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Sat, 05 November 2011 22:53 Go to next message
rdoc2 (Photoshop expert)
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
or a nef file? Thanks
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Sat, 05 November 2011 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net> said:

> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
> or a nef file? Thanks

<
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
>

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Sat, 05 November 2011 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-05 20:09:44 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net> said:
>
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>
> <
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB

Oops!
>
I misunderstood. You want to open a DNG or NEF, not convert to DNG, and
you want to do it free.
Then I better not mention the usual suspects, Lightroom, Photoshop
Elements, & Photoshop CS5.


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Sun, 06 November 2011 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
N[4] (Photoshop begginer)
On 6/11/2011, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2011-11-05 20:09:44 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> said:
>
>> On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>
>> <
>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
>
> Oops!
>>
> I misunderstood. You want to open a DNG or NEF, not convert to DNG, and you
> want to do it free.
> Then I better not mention the usual suspects, Lightroom, Photoshop Elements,
> & Photoshop CS5.

Perhaps you should mention ViewNX for opening NEF for free.

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Sun, 06 November 2011 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ulysses (Photoshop expert)
"RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
> or a nef file? Thanks
>
Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
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Sun, 06 November 2011 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HB (Photoshop begginer)
On 11/5/2011 10:53 PM, RDOC wrote:
> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
> or a nef file? Thanks

Futurix Imager will open .dng files.

Herb

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Sun, 06 November 2011 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tony cooper[2] (Photoshop begginer)
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:56:31 -0500, "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com>
wrote:

>
>"RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>
>Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>
Weird? The format for all Nikon cameras that shoot RAW is a .NEF file
that can be converted to a .DNG file.

Both FastStone Image Viewer and IrfanView open, view and allow some
basic editing of .DNG files. I assume they will do the same for .NEF
files, but I convert my .NEFs to .DNGs when they are downloaded.

Both FastStone and IrfanView are free programs.
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Sun, 06 November 2011 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:56:31 -0500, "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com>
scribbled:

>
>"RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>
>Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW

You answer questions like a fucktard without a clue. STFU already.
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Sun, 06 November 2011 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:58:07 -0500, HIB <hibrowntwo@gmail.com>
scribbled:

>On 11/5/2011 10:53 PM, RDOC wrote:
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>
>Futurix Imager will open .dng files.

Hell, so will ACDSee...
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Sun, 06 November 2011 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <guvtq.5828$Uw7.2511@newsfe02.iad>,
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:

> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> > Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
> > or a nef file? Thanks
> >
> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW

DNG is not a weird format. Photoshop will open them, so with Bridge, and
Macintosh views them natively through the Finder and Preview. If you
wish to know, DNG is an extension of the TIFF structure and is open
source.

Leica chose DNG format. It's very good.
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Sun, 06 November 2011 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nomail (Photoshop expert)
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>
> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW

Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
that.

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Sun, 06 November 2011 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:43:50 -0600, Johan W. Elzenga
<nomail@please.invalid> scribbled:

>"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>>
>> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>
>Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
>for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
>is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
>that.

You'd have more luck trying to get a pet rock to do tricks than to get
Ulysses to understand basic concepts. Quit whilst you're ahead.
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote in message
news:guvtq.5828$Uw7.2511@newsfe02.iad...
>
> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>
> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW

Well, maybe he got one in DNG format. I have had some strange files (from
various places) and usually put in "free converter" and what I want to do
(in Google) and find something.
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net> said:
>
>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>> or a nef file? Thanks
>
> <
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
>>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>


I looked in Google and found this (didn't try it)
http://www.freefileopener.com/how-to-open/dng/

Also saw one that said they wil open and show in Windows Photo Viewer, not
sure what that is.
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Sun, 06 November 2011 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
DNG is a STANDARD Got it?
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Johan W. Elzenga" <nomail@please.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>>
>> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>
> Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
> for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
> is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
> that.

So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.


>
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> Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 05:05:54 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:

>
> "Johan W. Elzenga" <nomail@please.invalid> wrote in message
> news:888538980342294061.763272nomail-please.invalid@news.supernews.com...
>> "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>>> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>>>
>>> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>>> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>>> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>>
>> Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
>> for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
>> is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
>> that.
>
> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
> that just opens in Photoshop.

DNG files are opened in Photoshop via ACR.

DNG or Digital Negative is an openRAW image format. It is based on the
TIFF/EP standard format. This is Adobe's attempt to create a universal
RAW format.

DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the
RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In
order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes
and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as
Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a
compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading
proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then
converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.

Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are
standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read
using RAW file processing software such as ACR.

Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as
an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file
formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.


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Mon, 07 November 2011 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
"Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:


> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
> that just opens in Photoshop.

As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
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Mon, 07 November 2011 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2011110705510616807-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2011-11-07 05:05:54 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Johan W. Elzenga" <nomail@please.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:888538980342294061.763272nomail-please.invalid@news.supernews.com...
>>> "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>>>> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>>>>
>>>> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>>>> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>>>> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>>>
>>> Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
>>> for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that.
>>> DNG
>>> is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
>>> that.
>>
>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>> in
>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>> RAW
>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>
> DNG files are opened in Photoshop via ACR.
>
> DNG or Digital Negative is an openRAW image format. It is based on the
> TIFF/EP standard format. This is Adobe's attempt to create a universal RAW
> format.
>
> DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
> sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW
> data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to
> have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the
> ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon,
> Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the
> current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such
> as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them
> complete with intact metadata.
>
> Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are standard
> RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file
> processing software such as ACR.
>
> Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
> Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
> it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an
> adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such
> as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

Thanks. I don't think I've ever seen a DNG file (in person) LOL
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>> in
>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>> RAW
>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>
> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
> media. Or download this sample:
> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG

Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:

>
> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>> in
>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>>> RAW
>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>
>> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
>> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
>> media. Or download this sample:
>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>
> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
> it helps.
> It opened, nice picture!

You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the
link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing
the imbedded jpeg.
To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll
down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley".
Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from
"kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original ©
DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way
you will have the full 18MB DNG file.

That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.

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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 10:04:22 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
>>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>>> in
>>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>>>> RAW
>>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>>
>>> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
>>> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
>>> media. Or download this sample:
>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>>
>> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
>> it helps.
>> It opened, nice picture!
>
> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the
> link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing
> the imbedded jpeg.
> To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll
> down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley".
> Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from
> "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original ©
> DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way
> you will have the full 18MB DNG file.
>
> That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.

Oops! I forgot to give you the URL to the article;
< http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/ >

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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 08:59:06 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2011110705510616807-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2011-11-07 05:05:54 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Johan W. Elzenga" <nomail@please.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:888538980342294061.763272nomail-please.invalid@news.supernews.com...
>>>> "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>>>>> "RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
>>>>>> or a nef file? Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car.
>>>>> you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy
>>>>> formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG or RAW
>>>>
>>>> Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format
>>>> for RAW data, and Nikon's happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that.
>>>> DNG
>>>> is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about
>>>> that.
>>>
>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>> in
>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>>> RAW
>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>
>> DNG files are opened in Photoshop via ACR.
>>
>> DNG or Digital Negative is an openRAW image format. It is based on the
>> TIFF/EP standard format. This is Adobe's attempt to create a universal RAW
>> format.
>>
>> DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
>> sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW
>> data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to
>> have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the
>> ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon,
>> Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the
>> current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such
>> as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them
>> complete with intact metadata.
>>
>> Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are standard
>> RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file
>> processing software such as ACR.
>>
>> Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
>> Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
>> it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an
>> adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such
>> as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>
> Thanks. I don't think I've ever seen a DNG file (in person) LOL

See the link from John Stafford.

--
Regards,

Savageduck
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2011110710042275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>
>>
>> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
>>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>>> in
>>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>>>> RAW
>>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>>
>>> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
>>> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
>>> media. Or download this sample:
>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>>
>> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual
>> doing
>> it helps.
>> It opened, nice picture!
>
> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link
> John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the
> imbedded jpeg.
> To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down
> until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley".
> Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from
> "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original ©
> DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way you
> will have the full 18MB DNG file.
>
> That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

I clicked on it and it (the link) and opened in the PS (CS3) RAW option.
Isn't this what it's supposed to do? I played around with the settings for a
bit, to change it.
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Carrie (Photoshop expert)
"Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote in message
news:bJVtq.24739$Gr6.1074@newsfe09.iad...
>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2011110710042275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
>>>> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
>>>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>>>> in
>>>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots
>>>>> in
>>>>> RAW
>>>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>>>
>>>> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
>>>> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
>>>> media. Or download this sample:
>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>>>
>>> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual
>>> doing
>>> it helps.
>>> It opened, nice picture!
>>
>> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link
>> John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the
>> imbedded jpeg.
>> To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down
>> until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley".
>> Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from
>> "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original ©
>> DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way you
>> will have the full 18MB DNG file.
>>
>> That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>
> I clicked on it and it (the link) and opened in the PS (CS3) RAW option.
> Isn't this what it's supposed to do? I played around with the settings for
> a bit, to change it.
Just tried it again and PS opened (that's my default image viewer) and then
RAW opened with the picture.
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Ulysses (Photoshop expert)
>
> DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
> sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW
> data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to
> have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the
> ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon,
> Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the
> current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such
> as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them
> complete with intact metadata.
>
> Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are standard
> RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file
> processing software such as ACR.
>
> Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
> Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
> it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an
> adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such
> as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.

> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
>
you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
most amateurs don't. photography and photoshop is my hobby
I hope you see my point
P.S. thought about starting a new newsgroup.
calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur
it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems,
and include photography. but the group would be informal
like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening
thanks for input on files
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John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <xZVtq.14401$Uw7.1278@newsfe02.iad>,
"Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:

> you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
> I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
> out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
> My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
> worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
> when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
> then crop, enhance, and save the file
> I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
> most amateurs don't. photography and photoshop is my hobby
> I hope you see my point

Sure, point well made. I understand. Note that opening a RAW file in
Photoshop is automatic. Just clicks on the first dialog, and the file
opens for you in photoshop. If you have Bridge it's more fun.
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John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <M8Utq.26929$0s1.14448@newsfe11.iad>,
"Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:

> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
> > In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
> > "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
> >> in
> >> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
> >> RAW
> >> that just opens in Photoshop.
> >
> > As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
> > try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
> > media. Or download this sample:
> > http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>
> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
> it helps.
> It opened, nice picture!

Cool, eh? Glad you enjoy it. Adobe will make sure that you can open the
latest RAW file from almost every camera - just go to the update in
Photoshop (or Adobe update program.)
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John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <2011110710042275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the
> link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing
> the imbedded jpeg.

Sorry if I confused anyone! I use Firefox on Mac OS-X which offers to
download the DNG file when you open the link.
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Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:47:28 -0600, John J Stafford
<john@stafford.invalid> scribbled:

>In article <2011110710042275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the
>> link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing
>> the imbedded jpeg.
>
>Sorry if I confused anyone! I use Firefox on Mac OS-X which offers to
>download the DNG file when you open the link.

Most people are smart enough not to configure their systems to
automatically open unknown files. Carrie's not most people. I'd guess
she's got 10 - 20 infections at any one time.
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Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:04:46 -0500, "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com>
scribbled:

>>
>> DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
>> sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW
>> data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to
>> have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the
>> ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon,
>> Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the
>> current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such
>> as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them
>> complete with intact metadata.
>>
>> Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are standard
>> RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file
>> processing software such as ACR.
>>
>> Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
>> Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
>> it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an
>> adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such
>> as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>>
>you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
>I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera

You're an idiot.

>out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
>My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
>worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
>when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
>then crop, enhance, and save the file
>I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
>most amateurs don't. photography and photoshop is my hobby

You really need to stop pretending you speak for anyone other than
yourself.

>I hope you see my point

Your point is, you're an idiot.

>P.S. thought about starting a new newsgroup.
>calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur

You can't even type a complete sentence. What makes you think you could
get a new newsgroup off the ground?

>it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems,
>and include photography. but the group would be informal
>like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
>what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening
>thanks for input on files

Please do fuck off, and take the prattling twat with you.
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Jonz[1] (Photoshop begginer)
On 11/7/2011 11:04 AM, Ulysses wrote:

> you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
> I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
> out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
> My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
> worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
> when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
> then crop, enhance, and save the file
> I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
> most amateurs don't. photography and photoshop is my hobby
> I hope you see my point


Yes, I see your point and I agree with it.

However, a little extra knowledge about your hobby can go a long, long way.

When I see statements like you originally wrote "anyone who uses weird
photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones...JPG
or RAW" makes me think you are using your excellent camera just like a
disposable drug store camera.

Jonz
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 10:47:35 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2011110710042275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "John J Stafford" <john@stafford.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:john-D4D65A.08025207112011@news.supernews.com...
>>>> In article <eOQtq.20317$rF5.12494@newsfe19.iad>,
>>>> "Carrie" <starchild1124@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So why don't DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would
>>>>> in
>>>>> CS5) I don't think I've ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
>>>>> RAW
>>>>> that just opens in Photoshop.
>>>>
>>>> As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to
>>>> try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution
>>>> media. Or download this sample:
>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
>>>
>>> Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual
>>> doing
>>> it helps.
>>> It opened, nice picture!
>>
>> You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link
>> John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the
>> imbedded jpeg.
>> To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down
>> until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley".
>> Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from
>> "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original ©
>> DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way you
>> will have the full 18MB DNG file.
>>
>> That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>
> I clicked on it and it (the link) and opened in the PS (CS3) RAW option.
> Isn't this what it's supposed to do? I played around with the settings for a
> bit, to change it.

Just to clarify, if you open a RAW file, in this case a DNG in CS3,
what you call "RAW option" should be "Adobe Camera RAW" (ACR).

Once you have made adjustments in ACR you should be able to open into
CS3 with several options: opening the file, opening an adjusted copy of
the file, or open the file as a "Smart Object". You can also choose the
color workspace & 8-bit or 16-bit mode at this time.
You can then edit and apply any corrections you choose to in CS3. You
can then save the result as a TIFF or PSD If you are in 16-bit mode. To
save as a JPEG or PNG you will have to make sure you are working in
8-bit mode.
--
Regards,

Savageduck
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 11:04:46 -0800, "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> said:

>>
>> DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image
>> sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW
>> data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to
>> have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the
>> ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon,
>> Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the
>> current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such
>> as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them
>> complete with intact metadata.
>>
>> Original DNG's and DNG's created using Adobe's DNG Converter are standard
>> RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file
>> processing software such as ACR.
>>
>> Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom,
>> Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
>> it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an
>> adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such
>> as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Savageduck
>>
>>
> you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
> I am not.

I am not a "Pro" but I take the trouble to learn about what I use, and
I use Photoshop CS5. I have been using various editions of Photoshop
since PS7.

> i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
> out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
> My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
> worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
> when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
> then crop, enhance, and save the file


....and there is nothing wrong with that methodology, except I am sure
you biggest concern is probably COMPOSITION rather than "composure",
unless you are more concerned with the mental state of your images. ;-)

> I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
> most amateurs don't.

That is your opinion and you shouldn't associate "most amateurs" with
your opinion.

> photography and photoshop is my hobby
> I hope you see my point
> P.S.

Just because photography is a hobby for you is no rational for avoiding
the potential of digital photography and the software you use.
Photography is my hobby, and has been for some 50 years. Just because
it is a hobby I don't deny myself a quest for excellence and knowledge
within that hobby. I choose to know how each of the tools I have work.
I also choose to extract the best I can from my equipment, and in the
case of my DSLR I choose to shoot RAW 99% of the time. Sometimes
hobbyists can be quite knowledgeable on a subject.

> thought about starting a new newsgroup.
> calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur
> it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems,
> and include photography. but the group would be informal
> like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
> what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening
> thanks for input on files

That is not necessary. There are plenty of photography groups catering
to all levels of ability. Most of those who lurk or contribute to this
group are "amateurs". Some of us who might have an answer try to answer
it without being in anyway judgmental, I know I try to do that.
Sometimes others might have a different way to reach the same result
(usually in Photoshop there is more than one way to solve a problem).

If you want to "gab & swap stories" then take that conversation to
Facebook or G+.


--
Regards,

Savageduck
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 11:43:11 -0800, John J Stafford <john@stafford.invalid> said:

> In article <xZVtq.14401$Uw7.1278@newsfe02.iad>,
> "Ulysses" <ulysses@whatsthat.com> wrote:
>
>> you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
>> I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
>> out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc
>> My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is
>> worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge
>> when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
>> then crop, enhance, and save the file
>> I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap
>> most amateurs don't. photography and photoshop is my hobby
>> I hope you see my point
>
> Sure, point well made. I understand. Note that opening a RAW file in
> Photoshop is automatic. Just clicks on the first dialog, and the file
> opens for you in photoshop. If you have Bridge it's more fun.

If they are using any recent edition of CS(x) they will have Bridge,
using it is a different issue.
Personally I use CS5 with its associated version of Bridge.
Opening any RAW file in the Photoshop dialog whether directly in PS or
in Bridge, the RAW file will ALWAYS open in the intermediate conversion
software, Adobe Camera RAW (ACR).

Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes
to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into
Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files, the single
file. Those adjustments are not made to the RAW file, but are added as
a "Sidecar" XMP file, that preserves your original "Digital negative".
This is how nondestructive adjustments to DNG files are made in
Lightroom.

--
Regards,

Savageduck
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John J Stafford (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <2011110713555727544-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes
> to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into
> Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files

Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save
the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
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Kele (Photoshop begginer)
Irfanview
both listed http://www.irfanview.com/plugins.htm




"RDOC" <rdoc2@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6b32c5d0-8a0a-4085-b75f-afdedc1bcdf3@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file
> or a nef file? Thanks
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Savageduck (Photoshop expert)
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford <john@stafford.invalid> said:

> In article <2011110713555727544-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes
>> to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into
>> Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
>
> Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save
> the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?

From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any
other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG
is not altered.

In order to edit a DNG in Photoshop "RAW conversion" has to take place
first, for Adobe this is done with ACR which reads and processes the
RAW sensor data, and the EXIF and other metadata from the camera. After
ACR adjustments are made and you click on the "Open Image" button, the
ACR adjusted file will be converted to an editable output format,
usually TIFF. Until you save the work being done on this image the file
will still show as ABCxxxx.DNG on top of the PS workspace window.

So this DNG shown in ACR is set to open in CS5;
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ACR-SC-01.jpg >

Once open in CS5 with the "Save" dialog open, the various and only
available file format options are shown;
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/CS5-02.jpg >

If you leave this working file in 16-bit mode and retain the qualities
and data of the original RAW file you can only save in the following
file formats:
Photoshop - PSD
TIFF (16-bit) - TIF
Photoshop Raw - PRAW

The first two (PSD & TIF) are your only real options, since the
"Photoshop Raw" PRAW option is misleading. If you read the disclaimer
in that save dialog you will find the following warning;
"The Photoshop Raw File format does not fully encode the image mode and
size, among other things. The image may not be fully restored when you
reopen the file."

....and here is that dialog window with the alert notice.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/CS5-03.jpg >

So you are not rebuilding and overwriting a DNG file or RAW data.

So to answer your question; No, saving an adjusted DNG or any other RAW
file, or to reverse engineer and/or overwrite the original DNG is not
possible.


The other format options for saving are as follows and each have their
various characteristics and limitations, none of them retain the full
information found in RAW data, or the adjustment data which can be
saved in a PSD or 18-bit TIFF.

Large Document Format - psb
Cineon - cin
IFF Format - iff
JPEG - jpg
JPEG 2000 - jpf
Photoshop PDF - pdf
PNG - png
Portable Bit Map - pbm

--
Regards,

Savageduck
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tony cooper[2] (Photoshop begginer)
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:12 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford <john@stafford.invalid> said:
>
>> In article <2011110713555727544-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes
>>> to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into
>>> Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
>>
>> Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save
>> the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
>
>From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any
>other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG
>is not altered.

Well, it is, kinda. A whole bunch of adjustments can be made to the
DNG file. Close that file, and re-open it later, and the adjustments
you made are still in place. But - and here's where the "kinda" comes
in - you can change all those adjustments back to where they were
before you did anything or to any other settings. The basic RAW file
isn't changed but what you see of the file is changed.


>In order to edit a DNG in Photoshop "RAW conversion" has to take place
>first, for Adobe this is done with ACR which reads and processes the
>RAW sensor data, and the EXIF and other metadata from the camera. After
>ACR adjustments are made and you click on the "Open Image" button, the
>ACR adjusted file will be converted to an editable output format,
>usually TIFF.

No, it's not usually a TIF. The format must be designated. You can
designate it to be a jpg, a TIF, a PSD, or one of several other
formats. It will save as a jpg if there is only the single layer, and
save as a PSD if there are multiple layers. I can't remember saving
as a TIF. All my files are DNGs, jpgs, or PSDs.

>So to answer your question; No, saving an adjusted DNG or any other RAW
>file, or to reverse engineer and/or overwrite the original DNG is not
>possible.
>
? The adjusted DNG will re-open with the same adjustments made.


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Jonz[1] (Photoshop begginer)
On 11/7/2011 5:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford <john@stafford.invalid> said:
>
>> In article <2011110713555727544-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes
>>> to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into
>>> Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
>>
>> Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save
>> the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
>
> From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any
> other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG
> is not altered.

Yes and No. Yes, the actual RAW data inside the DNG is not altered. No,
the DNG does not require a sidecar file, the edits are stored as
metadata inside the DNG file. Therefore, all edits made to a DNG file
using ACR can be reversed.

Jonz
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