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Hi Group-I’ve got $55 worth of coupons at Amazon that are burning a hole in my pocket and have to use them by 15th. I have the PS CS Bible, paperback version. I’m going to order PS CS Book for Digital Photographers but wonder about some other books that sound interesting and authoritative. I only do photography, no graphics. I’m probably a step above novice-I haven’t worked with layers. I am familiar with most of the tools as to their basic uses but don’t know what the color picker, paint bucket and those related tools are about.

Apart from the fact that I haven’t spent much time with 1100 page soft cover Bible, between the following books what 2 or 3 that you use would you suggest for me and why. I obviously would want to avoid subject matter/depth duplication as much as possible and also want a clear and simple writing style so that I understand what I read (I’m aware this is subjective). The books are:

Adobe PS CS Artistry
Real World Adobe PS CS by Fraser etc
PS Restoration and Retouching by Eismann
PS Color Correction by Kieran
PS CS Bible, hard cover ed.

Thanks for any illumination you can throw on this issue. BTW, went to Borders yesterday and spent time with the Artistry book-I kind of liked the style but don’t have any idea of how it rates to the others or what subject matter would be duplicated by 1 or more of the other books.

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Mike Russell
Sep 13, 2004
outtasight wrote:
Hi Group-I’ve got $55 worth of coupons at Amazon that are burning a hole in my pocket and have to use them by 15th.

I highly recommend Dan Margulis’s Professional Photoshop book. It opened up a new world for me re how curves and other operations should be used.

It’s written in a lively humorous style, and is full of genuine examples of how to improve images.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
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noone
Sep 14, 2004
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Hi Group-I’ve got $55 worth of coupons at Amazon that are burning a hole in my pocket and have to use them by 15th. I have the PS CS Bible, paperback version. I’m going to order PS CS Book for Digital Photographers but wonder about some other books that sound interesting and authoritative. I only do photography, no graphics. I’m probably a step above novice-I haven’t worked with layers. I am familiar with most of the tools as to their basic uses but don’t know what the color picker, paint bucket and those related tools are about.

Apart from the fact that I haven’t spent much time with 1100 page soft cover Bible, between the following books what 2 or 3 that you use would you suggest for me and why. I obviously would want to avoid subject matter/depth duplication as much as possible and also want a clear and simple writing style so that I understand what I read (I’m aware this is subjective). The books are:

Adobe PS CS Artistry
Real World Adobe PS CS by Fraser etc
PS Restoration and Retouching by Eismann
PS Color Correction by Kieran
PS CS Bible, hard cover ed.

Thanks for any illumination you can throw on this issue. BTW, went to Borders yesterday and spent time with the Artistry book-I kind of liked the style but don’t have any idea of how it rates to the others or what subject matter would be duplicated by 1 or more of the other books.

Your list looks good, and Mike Russell added one. Let me include Ben Wilmore’s "Adobe Photoshop CS Studio Techniques," Adobe Press. For a photographer, Wilmore does one of the best jobs of opening up the capabilities of PS. I’ve been so impressed, that I have every ver of his book, even when the PS ver changes were not that great, he managed to cram even more into each edition.

Hunt
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Derek Fountain
Sep 14, 2004
Apart from the fact that I haven’t spent much time with 1100 page soft cover Bible,

That is a notable problem with Photoshop books in my experience. When I buy a huge tome it has a tendancy to sit on the shelf, a sort of imposing project which I never have the time to take on. I’ve actually stopped buying such things; I now look for smaller books which focus on a subject I’m interested in. There’s always a chance I’ll read one of those. :o)

PS Restoration and Retouching by Eismann

That one, if the subject matter interests you. It’s excellent.
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bhilton665
Sep 14, 2004
From: "outtasight"

I have the PS CS Bible, paperback
version. I’m going to order PS CS Book for Digital Photographers but wonder about some other books that sound interesting and authoritative. I only do photography, no graphics.

between the following books what 2 or 3 that you use would you suggest for me and why.

Adobe PS CS Artistry

Excellent book if you want a series of tutorials complete with the original files and are willing to work through them (since you said you hadn’t cracked the Bible yet this may not be what you want though :). Excellent for photographers.

Real World Adobe PS CS by Fraser etc

Excellent book, I think the best overview of any I’ve seen. However in many ways it’s similar to the Bible, basically a detailed reference work that covers everything well but doesn’t go into as much details as Artistry does about photography. I’d get either this or the Bible but not both (I have both but I wouldn’t do it again 🙂

PS Restoration and Retouching by Eismann

Best book available on the details of retouching and fine-tuning photos, but it doesn’t go into depth (or even the shallows) on many important topics that are covered well in Artistry or Real World. For example, Artistry talks in depth about various printers and scanners and covers things like monitor calibration and the ICM color management flow very well, while R&R doesn’t cover these at all, telling you to buy a different book.

PS Color Correction by Kieran

Haven’t read this one, dunno.

PS CS Bible, hard cover ed.

Since you already have the soft cover edition I’d pass …

Thanks for any illumination you can throw on this issue.

If you can get two get Eismann and Artistry. If only one, get Artistry, is my suggestion.

Bill
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bhilton665
Sep 14, 2004
From: "Mike Russell"

I highly recommend Dan Margulis’s Professional Photoshop book.

I’ve read this one and think it’s a bit too deep for a beginner or low-intermediate who is working mainly with RGB files. I have no bones to pick with Dan as he’s a very knowledgable guy (and in the Photoshop Hall of Fame), but it’s written mainly for people doing CMYK work and several of the positions he takes are somewhat controversial, like his disdain for anything but 8 bit mode, his dislike of the ICM color management flow, which is wonderful for RGB files printed on inkjets (once you have a calibrated monitor and good printer profiles), and his dislike for almost any color correction tool except Curves.

Maybe make it your fifth or sixth book (especially if you want to work with CMYK or want to get a lot of practice using Curves), but I’d say it’s definitely not a good choice for your first or second Photoshop book.

Of course he mentions Mike in the book so maybe that’s why Mike likes it so much ? 🙂

He also mentions Chris Cox, in a much less favorable light … what do you think, Chris? 🙂

Bill
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bookworm
Sep 14, 2004
Bill Hilton wrote:

If you can get two get Eismann and Artistry. If only one, get Artistry, is my suggestion.

I started in PS by following a few of the Artistry tutorials. The tutorials are based on images of real photos with real problems, and the image files are on the book’s CD. The images include different kinds of photos, such as landscape, portrait, etc. so that you can practice on only your kind of photos.

Eismann’s book is especially good for fixing aged and torn photos, and for portrait and fashion model photos.
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bookworm
Sep 14, 2004
Margulis’ book is definitely a challenge for the beginners, and his intended readers are more printing pros rather than desktop hobbyists. Lacking a clarification between the two in the writing can be very confusing for the hobbyists. His writing style is not my favorite, and he is certainly opinionated.

However, there is one section that I think can be very helpful for the beginners. Most books will teach you how to begin editing by removing color casts in an image’s white/black/neutral areas. Margulis teaches you how to evaluate which parts of an image are *true*
white/black/neutrals, and whether these tones exist at all *before* editing. (Kind of like what a good carpentry instructor would teach you to measure twice before cutting.) I only wish I had read that chapter before learning any PS tools. It would have kept me from trying to remove color casts in the *wrong* white/black/neutrals areas. Talk about wasted time and headache! That by itself is worth the price of the whole book.

Many have also recommended a Channel Chops book that covers blending, which is supposed to be the basis of PS. It is out of print, and I have yet to get hold of one.

Bill Hilton wrote:
From: "Mike Russell"

I highly recommend Dan Margulis’s Professional Photoshop book.

I’ve read this one and think it’s a bit too deep for a beginner or low-intermediate who is working mainly with RGB files. I have no bones to pick with Dan as he’s a very knowledgable guy (and in the Photoshop Hall of Fame), but it’s written mainly for people doing CMYK work and several of the positions he takes are somewhat controversial, like his disdain for anything but 8 bit mode, his dislike of the ICM color management flow, which is wonderful for RGB files printed on inkjets (once you have a calibrated monitor and good printer profiles), and his dislike for almost any color correction tool except Curves.
Maybe make it your fifth or sixth book (especially if you want to work with CMYK or want to get a lot of practice using Curves), but I’d say it’s definitely not a good choice for your first or second Photoshop book.
Of course he mentions Mike in the book so maybe that’s why Mike likes it so much ? 🙂

He also mentions Chris Cox, in a much less favorable light … what do you think, Chris? 🙂

Bill
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Gadgets
Sep 14, 2004
Digi phot enthusiast?

Maybe this book for learning RAW handling:
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/rw-cr.shtml

Cheers, Jason (remove … to reply)
Video & Gaming: http://gadgetaus.com
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DSphotog
Sep 14, 2004
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Margulis’ book is definitely a challenge for the beginners, and his intended readers are more printing pros rather than desktop hobbyists. Lacking a clarification between the two in the writing can be very confusing for the hobbyists. His writing style is not my favorite, and he is certainly opinionated.

However, there is one section that I think can be very helpful for the beginners. Most books will teach you how to begin editing by removing color casts in an image’s white/black/neutral areas. Margulis teaches you how to evaluate which parts of an image are *true*
white/black/neutrals, and whether these tones exist at all *before* editing. (Kind of like what a good carpentry instructor would teach you to measure twice before cutting.) I only wish I had read that chapter before learning any PS tools. It would have kept me from trying to remove color casts in the *wrong* white/black/neutrals areas. Talk about wasted time and headache! That by itself is worth the price of the whole book.

Many have also recommended a Channel Chops book that covers blending, which is supposed to be the basis of PS. It is out of print, and I have yet to get hold of one.

Bill Hilton wrote:
From: "Mike Russell"

I highly recommend Dan Margulis’s Professional Photoshop book.

I’ve read this one and think it’s a bit too deep for a beginner or low-intermediate who is working mainly with RGB files. I have no bones
to pick
with Dan as he’s a very knowledgable guy (and in the Photoshop Hall of
Fame),
but it’s written mainly for people doing CMYK work and several of the
positions
he takes are somewhat controversial, like his disdain for anything but 8
bit
mode, his dislike of the ICM color management flow, which is wonderful
for RGB
files printed on inkjets (once you have a calibrated monitor and good
printer
profiles), and his dislike for almost any color correction tool except
Curves.
Maybe make it your fifth or sixth book (especially if you want to work
with
CMYK or want to get a lot of practice using Curves), but I’d say it’s definitely not a good choice for your first or second Photoshop book.
Of course he mentions Mike in the book so maybe that’s why Mike likes it
so
much ? 🙂

He also mentions Chris Cox, in a much less favorable light … what do
you
think, Chris? 🙂

Bill

Here ya go Bookworm:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-469 8575-5049757

Hope this helps,
Dave
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outtasight
Sep 18, 2004
Just wanted to thank all of you for giving me great book ideas and comments.

I’ve made my decision and am ready to order, thanks to you.

Jim

"outtasight" wrote in message
Hi Group-I’ve got $55 worth of coupons at Amazon that are burning a hole
in
my pocket and have to use them by 15th. I have the PS CS Bible, paperback version. I’m going to order PS CS Book for Digital Photographers but
wonder
about some other books that sound interesting and authoritative. I only
do
photography, no graphics. I’m probably a step above novice-I haven’t
worked
with layers. I am familiar with most of the tools as to their basic uses but don’t know what the color picker, paint bucket and those related tools are about.

Apart from the fact that I haven’t spent much time with 1100 page soft
cover
Bible, between the following books what 2 or 3 that you use would you suggest for me and why. I obviously would want to avoid subject matter/depth duplication as much as possible and also want a clear and simple writing style so that I understand what I read (I’m aware this is subjective). The books are:

Adobe PS CS Artistry
Real World Adobe PS CS by Fraser etc
PS Restoration and Retouching by Eismann
PS Color Correction by Kieran
PS CS Bible, hard cover ed.

Thanks for any illumination you can throw on this issue. BTW, went to Borders yesterday and spent time with the Artistry book-I kind of liked
the
style but don’t have any idea of how it rates to the others or what
subject
matter would be duplicated by 1 or more of the other books.
BW
Bob Williams
Sep 20, 2004
I’m probably a step above novice-I haven’t worked
with layers. I am familiar with most of the tools as to their basic uses but don’t know what the color picker, paint bucket and those related tools are about.

You really should learn a lot about Layers. That is the most powerful part of PS.
A fun and easy way to learn all of the PS Basics and some Advanced features as well is to purchase :
Adobe Photoshop XX Classroom in a Book (XX is your version) It contains a CD with sample photos to work on and step-by-step instructions that tell you how to do each required task. Bob Williams

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