Can’t figure this out -color

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max morrison
Jan 2, 2004
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"Sasha Raighaun" wrote in message
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?

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SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 2, 2004
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.
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stupid_idiot
Jan 2, 2004
I would take a guess you have saved as cmyk? versus rgb.

"max morrison" wrote in message
"Sasha Raighaun" wrote in message
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?

SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 2, 2004
No, sorry. I don’t have a site. I was creating the image for a friend’s site. There really isn’t much to the problem only that the pic that would be visible on the web would look much more washed out than it looks in PS.

max morrison wrote:

"Sasha Raighaun" wrote in message
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?
SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 2, 2004
I had to check, but no, I’ve been saving as RGB.

stupid_idiot wrote:

I would take a guess you have saved as cmyk? versus rgb.
"max morrison" wrote in message
"Sasha Raighaun" wrote in message
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you able to post a URL demonstrating the problem?

MR
Mike Russell
Jan 2, 2004
Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you using either Adobe RGB or sRGB as your working space? Check your color settings dialog. If your working space is set to Adobe RGB, try switching to sRGB and saving as a jpeg. If it looks better, that’s the problem.

Even sRGB will look a little washed out when viewed in a browser on a Macintosh, because the native gamma of a Mac is different than a PC, but sRGB is a good compromise between Mac and PC.

If you want your images to look their best on a Macintosh, use Colormatch or Apple RGB as your working space, but this will be a bit too dark on the PC. —

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 2, 2004
Thanks. I wasn’t sure, but I checked and it’s set to sRGB. I experimented with all the differnet color settings (colorsync, adobeRGB etc.,) and while it changed the look of the image in PS, the image, saved with each of the differnt color settings, looked almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily washed-out look. Maybe the problem is in the browser?
I’m pretty new to Apple. I didn’t realize that images would look different on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a browser) is washed out, it may look fine on a PC? Thanks again for your insight.

Mike Russell wrote:

Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will look in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I need to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

Are you using either Adobe RGB or sRGB as your working space? Check your color settings dialog. If your working space is set to Adobe RGB, try switching to sRGB and saving as a jpeg. If it looks better, that’s the problem.

Even sRGB will look a little washed out when viewed in a browser on a Macintosh, because the native gamma of a Mac is different than a PC, but sRGB is a good compromise between Mac and PC.

If you want your images to look their best on a Macintosh, use Colormatch or Apple RGB as your working space, but this will be a bit too dark on the PC. —

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
MR
Mike Russell
Jan 2, 2004
Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Thanks. I wasn’t sure, but I checked and it’s set to sRGB. I experimented with all the differnet color settings (colorsync, adobeRGB etc.,) and while it changed the look of the image in PS, the image, saved with each of the differnt color settings, looked almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily washed-out look.
It sounds like your using "Image>Mode>Assign Profile" instead of "Convert to Profile". Try the latter and see if the images look better in the browser.

Another possibility is your Adobe Gamma setup – try running that utility once more, then restart Photoshop.

Maybe the problem is in the browser?
It’s not the browser.

I’m pretty new to
Apple. I didn’t realize that images would look different on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a browser) is washed out, it may look fine on a PC?

Yes, and you can preview this using a feature called "soft proofing" This is done by selecting the appropriate options under the View menu.

Thanks again
for your insight.

And hopefully for an actual solution!



Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
JC
J C
Jan 3, 2004
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:00:53 -0500, Sasha Raighaun
wrote:

I had to check, but no, I’ve been saving as RGB.

First I’d ask, is it just your browser on the machine that has PS installed or a lot of other browsers as well.

If it is just your browser then I’d guess that your monitor is not color tuned.

If it is everyone elses browser as well, then I’d guess that Photoshop is not using the correct color profile.

— JC
C
Cosmick
Jan 3, 2004
Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will
look
in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I
need
to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

In Save for web there is a small triangle above the right corner of the displayed image.Click it and on the flyout choose >Use Document Colour Profile


Mick

To reply,make the
the river a pond.
SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 3, 2004
I tried the "convert to profile" and it did look a tiny bit better. I’ll have to play around with the gamma to see what happens there. Cool. I didn’t even realize the Proof preview feature existed. From the proofing, the image looks great in Windows, and only washed out in the Mac and monitor options. I guess I can live with that since most people would be viewing the image on Windows. Thanks again for your help.

Mike Russell wrote:

Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Thanks. I wasn’t sure, but I checked and it’s set to sRGB. I experimented with all the differnet color settings (colorsync, adobeRGB etc.,) and while it changed the look of the image in PS, the image, saved with each of the differnt color settings, looked almost identical when in the browser. The same heavily washed-out look.
It sounds like your using "Image>Mode>Assign Profile" instead of "Convert to Profile". Try the latter and see if the images look better in the browser.

Another possibility is your Adobe Gamma setup – try running that utility once more, then restart Photoshop.

Maybe the problem is in the browser?
It’s not the browser.

I’m pretty new to
Apple. I didn’t realize that images would look different on a mac compared to a pc. So if the image I see on my mac (in a browser) is washed out, it may look fine on a PC?

Yes, and you can preview this using a feature called "soft proofing" This is done by selecting the appropriate options under the View menu.
Thanks again
for your insight.

And hopefully for an actual solution!



Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 3, 2004
Thanks. I’ll try that as well.

Cosmick wrote:

Sasha Raighaun wrote:
Hi,
I’ve got a problem that’s driving me crazy. Images I create in Photoshop look incredibly washed out when I place them into browsers. I make an image in PS thats looks they way I want it to look. I save it as a jpeg (or save for web.) But when I test how it will
look
in a browser, much of the color gets desaturated.
What’s going on? Could there possibly be some color setting that I
need
to turn on (or off) to keep this from happening? I’m brand new to PS7, and this never happened when I used PS5. Any help or insight would be great. Thanks.

By the way Im using IE5 on a mac, if that has any effect on the situation.

In Save for web there is a small triangle above the right corner of the displayed image.Click it and on the flyout choose >Use Document Colour Profile


Mick

To reply,make the
the river a pond.
SR
Sasha Raighaun
Jan 3, 2004
Thanks. I haven’t been able to check how it would look on other machines yet. But I guess the color tuning of my monitor could be part of the problem. My little Mac is getting a little long in the tooth. It’s almost four years old now.

J C wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:00:53 -0500, Sasha Raighaun
wrote:

I had to check, but no, I’ve been saving as RGB.

First I’d ask, is it just your browser on the machine that has PS installed or a lot of other browsers as well.

If it is just your browser then I’d guess that your monitor is not color tuned.

If it is everyone elses browser as well, then I’d guess that Photoshop is not using the correct color profile.

— JC
H
Husky
Jan 3, 2004
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:15:43 -0500, Sasha Raighaun
wrote:
Check the PSA link on the news page here. I made the link for myself in case I ever lose the images on the page again.
It also provides a link to the page the images came from. But something else that might cause differences is available memory when you have the image loaded. If it’s important, you should make sure it’s the only image in use at the time.
ie: One of these images I had loaded into ps7, also had it loaded into irfanview. ps7’s color picker and irfanviews color picker agreed 100% , but I’m sitting here looking at the 2 images in 2 different programs and there was a definite washout to the one in ps7.
Rebooted the machine and repeated previous with ONLY those two items running. and now actual visual colors are identical.
They were identical previously but the monitor showed a definite difference based on memory in use.
IOW before committing anything to paper you should make sure the machines got enough free ram to work correctly.
http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/bev/index.html

Thanks. I haven’t been able to check how it would look on other machines yet. But I guess the color tuning of my monitor could be part of the problem. My little Mac is getting a little long in the tooth. It’s almost four years old now.

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