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Tue, 16 November 2004 17:12 Go to next message
lukehall (Photoshop begginer)
After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
Photoshop.

I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.

Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.

-Luke
Tue, 16 November 2004 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kingdom (Photoshop expert)
lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote in news:7119be4d.0411161412.3f83d899
@posting.google.com:

> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> Photoshop.
>
> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>
> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>
> -Luke
>

Photshop has over 500 commands, you cannot learn this program in 20
minutes, it takes time but there is almost nothing that cannot be achieved
with this application. It is awesome in it's capability.

Video trainning helps a lot if your in a huury
http://www.totaltraining.com/

There are thousands of online tutorials, serch google.

--
Youth is wasted on the young!
Tue, 16 November 2004 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JD (Photoshop expert)
Luke Hall wrote:
> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> Photoshop.
>
> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>
> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>
> -Luke

Hang in there Luke. Keep your hands out of your hair.

I also found PS7 to be extremely difficult to use but after reading some
online tutorials (Google) and buying a book I really like the program.
It is an amazing photo program and it just takes some time to get used
to it.

Luke don't turn to the dark side. <g>

--

JD..
Tue, 16 November 2004 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jjs[7] (Advanced Photoshop user)
"Luke Hall" <lukehall@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> Photoshop.
>
> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. [...]

Luke, you are going through what I call a Learning Tantrum, and it's not a
bad thing. Once you get the hang of just a few features of Photoshop you are
going to be very happy, fast.

Here's a very good start (IMHO) http://www.myjanee.com/tuts/start/start.htm
Tue, 16 November 2004 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jjs[7] (Advanced Photoshop user)
"jjs" <jjs@x.x.com> wrote in message
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> Here's a very good start (IMHO)
> http://www.myjanee.com/tuts/start/start.htm

I TAKE IT BACK. That's the wrong URL and after searching the site, I cannot
recommend it for a brand new user. Jumping right into channels, not
reviewing the overall menu/command feature interface _first_ is not a good
way to go, and the tutorial has no good overview that says, in effect, "Here
are the seven steps to basic pictures in most cases." Sorry about that!
Tue, 16 November 2004 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tacitr (Photoshop expert)
>I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.

Photoshop is not hard to use;professional-level image editing is hard to do.

When you were using Photodraw, you were using Fisher-Price's "Baby's First Tool
Kit." Now you are using a real tool kit, and you need to learn how it works.

You draw a rectangle with the rectangle tool. You move it with the move tool.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that you paint on. You can make as many
layers as you want. You can paint different things on each layer. You can move
the layers around, turn them off, turn them on, change what order they are
stacked in, all without ruining the things on the other layers.

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Tue, 16 November 2004 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hecate (Photoshop expert)
On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:

>After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>Photoshop.
>
>I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.

Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
it.

>Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>
Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
veni, vidi, reliqui
Tue, 16 November 2004 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wizard of Draws (Photoshop expert)
On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.com,
"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
>
>> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>> Photoshop.
>>
>> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>
> Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
> PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
> and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
> it.
>
>> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>>
> Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
>

The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do is
decide how to manipulate the selection.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
Wed, 17 November 2004 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Corey (Photoshop expert)
You might want to go to your local book store and pick up the latest copy of
Photoshop User (http://www.photoshopuser.com/). Other books exist too, but
Photoshop User gives step-by-step tutorials in every issue.

Learning Photoshop is a stairstep procedure. You learn a bit, practice what
you've learned, learn some more, practice that, learn some more, etc. I'm
sure many Photoshop users are bald! What you might try doing is seeing if
there are any local SIGs in your area that deal with Photoshop. You might be
able to find this out by visiting a local college's graphics program.

Peadge :-)

"Luke Hall" <lukehall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7119be4d.0411161412.3f83d899@posting.google.com...
> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> Photoshop.
>
> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>
> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>
> -Luke
Wed, 17 November 2004 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Donald Link (Photoshop expert)
On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:

>After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>Photoshop.
>
>I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>
>Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>
>-Luke
Why would you use Photoshop for drawing? Seem Ilustrator would server
the pupose better. Photoshop is so powerful in image manipulation not
so good if you want a drawing program.
Wed, 17 November 2004 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lukehall (Photoshop begginer)
Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote in message news:<BDC030F7.343FE%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>...
> On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.com,
> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
> >
> >> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> >> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> >> Photoshop.
> >>
> >> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> >> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> >> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
> >> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
> >> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
> >
> > Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
> > PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
> > and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
> > it.
> >
> >> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
> >> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
> >>
> > Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
> >
>
> The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
> Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do is
> decide how to manipulate the selection.

Thanks for all your replys. I have started with my training with a
fantastic free course from about.com It's gonna take a while but i
will get there in the end. Looking arounfd the net there is so much
out there for photoshop. Photodraw really is a fisher-price kids tool
compared to this.

The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
get myself a book from the library too!
Wed, 17 November 2004 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jinbobo (Photoshop begginer)
Wizard of Draws wrote:
>
> On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.com,
> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
> >
> >> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> >> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> >> Photoshop.
> >>
> >> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> >> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> >> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
> >> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
> >> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
> >
> > Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
> > PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
> > and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
> > it.
> >
> >> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
> >> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
> >>
> > Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
> >
>
> The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
> Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do is
> decide how to manipulate the selection.

Depending on what you use PS for, learning to make selections may or may
not be the first step. Making *good* selections can be very challenging
for a beginner, and in many cases editing photographs successfully do
not require making selections.
Wed, 17 November 2004 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jjs[7] (Advanced Photoshop user)
"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ig7mp09k7vtmstg0303ch36c08pmor0gt1@4ax.com...

> Why would you use Photoshop for drawing? Seem Ilustrator would server
> the pupose better.

Does Illustrator have enough raster features to really draw/paint with? I
think not.
Wed, 17 November 2004 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tacitr (Photoshop expert)
>Does Illustrator have enough raster features to really draw/paint with? I
>think not.

I think the problem here is language.

In the professional computer graphics community, the word "draw" has a specific
meaning that is diffeent from the meaning of "creating an image on a piece of
paper." When you're talking about computer graphics, "drawing" means "creating
an image using vector tools," and "painting" means "creating a raster image."
You paint in Photoshop, draw in Illustrator.

--
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http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
Wed, 17 November 2004 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
noone (Photoshop expert)
In article <7119be4d.0411170514.19b5c42c@posting.google.com>, lukehall@gmail.
com says...
>
>Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote in
message
> news:<BDC030F7.343FE%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>...
>> On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.
com,
>> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
>> >
>> >> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>> >> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>> >> Photoshop.
>> >>
>> >> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>> >> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>> >> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>> >> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>> >> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>> >
>> > Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
>> > PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
>> > and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
>> > it.
>> >
>> >> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>> >> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>> >>
>> > Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
>> >
>>
>> The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
>> Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do is
>> decide how to manipulate the selection.
>
>Thanks for all your replys. I have started with my training with a
>fantastic free course from about.com It's gonna take a while but i
>will get there in the end. Looking arounfd the net there is so much
>out there for photoshop. Photodraw really is a fisher-price kids tool
>compared to this.
>
>The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
>out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
>get myself a book from the library too!

Yes, the training DVD's, etc. are expensive, and depending on how YOU learn,
might not be worth the extra $, at least not yet. Pick up a copy of Adobe
Photoshop Classroom in a Book, and work through the exercises. Once done, let
it sit for a bit, then work through them again. With the other advice from
this NG, that will give you a good foundation, and you can build for the rest
of your life on it. After that foundation is complete, you can then decide
which of the myriad books, training courses out there, will fit your needs.

Hunt
Wed, 17 November 2004 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bagal (Photoshop expert)
Shh Luke - a little secret, don't let anyone else know...

The secret to creative learning (IMHO the kind required in PSCS) is: make it
fun.

That doesn't mean the same as "make it easy".

Have fun learning this stuff - sure tutorials help and as a registered owner
of PSCS you have user access to stuff on the adobe site too.

I think I've had PSCS for about 4 or 5 months now - it is great! First
version, first one for me too.

The information overload is natural but once you are through that you are in
a select bunch of image processing people that know what they are doing (I
hope!)

If you've got the pace, stamina. grit and positive attitude it makes it all
a lot easier.

Now - shh! don't tell anyone

Aerticus

"Luke Hall" <lukehall@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote in
> message
> news:<BDC030F7.343FE%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>...
>> On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article
>> 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.com,
>> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
>> >
>> >> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>> >> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>> >> Photoshop.
>> >>
>> >> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>> >> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>> >> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>> >> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>> >> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>> >
>> > Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
>> > PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
>> > and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
>> > it.
>> >
>> >> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>> >> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>> >>
>> > Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
>> >
>>
>> The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
>> Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do
>> is
>> decide how to manipulate the selection.
>
> Thanks for all your replys. I have started with my training with a
> fantastic free course from about.com It's gonna take a while but i
> will get there in the end. Looking arounfd the net there is so much
> out there for photoshop. Photodraw really is a fisher-price kids tool
> compared to this.
>
> The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
> out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
> get myself a book from the library too!
Wed, 17 November 2004 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jjs[7] (Advanced Photoshop user)
"Tacit" <tacitr@aol.com> wrote in message
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> You paint in Photoshop, draw in Illustrator.

Good point. I paint.
Wed, 17 November 2004 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mj[1] (Photoshop begginer)
Dont Give up man. Just Use Google to search for Photoshop tutorials
once you learn the layout and the tools you will be Forever happy.
dont Give up just keep messing with it You Can Do it..

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Wed, 17 November 2004 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hecate (Photoshop expert)
On 17 Nov 2004 05:14:40 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:


>The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
>out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
>get myself a book from the library too!

Books are good. See if the library has a copy of Photoshop Artistry by
Haynes and Crumpler. Nicely laid out, individual "lessons" with
examples, and mostly well-written.

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
veni, vidi, reliqui
Thu, 18 November 2004 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scruff (Photoshop expert)
What a nice , positive, encouraging thread. I thought this stuff disappeared
here a long time ago! Well done!!


"Aerticus" <spoofed@spooked.com> wrote in message
news:0%Lmd.19$k4.4@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Shh Luke - a little secret, don't let anyone else know...
>
> The secret to creative learning (IMHO the kind required in PSCS) is: make
it
> fun.
>
> That doesn't mean the same as "make it easy".
>
> Have fun learning this stuff - sure tutorials help and as a registered
owner
> of PSCS you have user access to stuff on the adobe site too.
>
> I think I've had PSCS for about 4 or 5 months now - it is great! First
> version, first one for me too.
>
> The information overload is natural but once you are through that you are
in
> a select bunch of image processing people that know what they are doing (I
> hope!)
>
> If you've got the pace, stamina. grit and positive attitude it makes it
all
> a lot easier.
>
> Now - shh! don't tell anyone
>
> Aerticus
>
> "Luke Hall" <lukehall@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7119be4d.0411170514.19b5c42c@posting.google.com...
> > Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:<BDC030F7.343FE%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>...
> >> On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article
> >> 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.com,
> >> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> >> >> upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> >> >> Photoshop.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
> >> >> done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
> >> >> screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And
i
> >> >> dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using
photodraw
> >> >> was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
> >> >
> >> > Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
> >> > PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
> >> > and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
> >> > it.
> >> >
> >> >> Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get
me
> >> >> started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
> >> >>
> >> > Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a
selection.
> >> Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do
> >> is
> >> decide how to manipulate the selection.
> >
> > Thanks for all your replys. I have started with my training with a
> > fantastic free course from about.com It's gonna take a while but i
> > will get there in the end. Looking arounfd the net there is so much
> > out there for photoshop. Photodraw really is a fisher-price kids tool
> > compared to this.
> >
> > The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
> > out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
> > get myself a book from the library too!
>
>
Thu, 18 November 2004 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bagal (Photoshop expert)
aw shucks

Aerticeus

"Scruff" <Elementary@My.Dear> wrote in message
news:10pp8uepqgoolab@corp.supernews.com...
> What a nice , positive, encouraging thread. I thought this stuff
> disappeared
> here a long time ago! Well done!!
Fri, 19 November 2004 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob Williams (Photoshop expert)
Hunt wrote:
> In article <7119be4d.0411170514.19b5c42c@posting.google.com>, lukehall@gmail.
> com says...
>
>>Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote in
>
> message
>
>>news:<BDC030F7.343FE%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>...
>>
>>>On 11/16/04 10:04 PM, in article 7qflp0d713ub2t6dv1bnfdnoc7kq1c1t9p@4ax.
>>
> com,
>
>>>"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 16 Nov 2004 14:12:26 -0800, lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>>>>>upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>>>>>Photoshop.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't believe how hard this program is to use. I cant get anything
>>>>>done. infact i cant even draw a rectangle and then move it about the
>>>>>screen without a bloody 'you can not do that' message appearing. And i
>>>>>dont have a clue what all these layers and paths are. Using photodraw
>>>>>was so easy, i didnt even need to use the manual.
>>>>
>>>>Your clue is in the first sentence - "something more professional".
>>>>PS is aimed at the professional market. You can use it for ten years
>>>>and still be barely half way to understanding everything you can do
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is there any fantastic recomended tutorials on the web that can get me
>>>>>started on Photoshop. I am ripping my hair out at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Try www.myjanee.com for a start. But, you really need to buy books.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The first step to learning Photoshop is learning how to make a selection.
>>>Once you learn all the ways to make a selection, all that is left to do is
>>>decide how to manipulate the selection.
>>
>>Thanks for all your replys. I have started with my training with a
>>fantastic free course from about.com It's gonna take a while but i
>>will get there in the end. Looking arounfd the net there is so much
>>out there for photoshop. Photodraw really is a fisher-price kids tool
>>compared to this.
>>
>>The Video training kits look mighty expensive since i have just forked
>>out alot just to buy photoshop, but they do look good. I think i'll
>>get myself a book from the library too!
>
>
> Yes, the training DVD's, etc. are expensive, and depending on how YOU learn,
> might not be worth the extra $, at least not yet. Pick up a copy of Adobe
> Photoshop Classroom in a Book, and work through the exercises. Once done, let
> it sit for a bit, then work through them again. With the other advice from
> this NG, that will give you a good foundation, and you can build for the rest
> of your life on it. After that foundation is complete, you can then decide
> which of the myriad books, training courses out there, will fit your needs.
>
> Hunt
>

IMHO, Hunt's advice is right on target.
Classroom in a book is produced by the Adobe Staff.
The included CD Tutorial leads you by the hand, step-by-step, through a
series of lessons of increasing complexity. When you are finished the
lessons you will feel pretty confident and will be able to do a lot of
things with your images. Then you can think about other books and
tutorials. There is no substitute for a solid foundation and you can
get it from Classroom in a Book.
Bob Williams
Fri, 19 November 2004 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lukehall (Photoshop begginer)
You guys are so encouraging, Thanks!

I got 'Photoshop 6 for dummies' it was the newest book they had on
photoshop because all the version 7 & CS books were out on loan.

the first chapter is called 'What the . . . ? Aagh, Help Me!' which is
exactly how I felt when I started this thread.

The writer Deke McClelland is really funny and is making the whole
learning process fun! 400 pages to go!


"Scruff" <Elementary@My.Dear> wrote in message news:<10pp8uepqgoolab@corp.supernews.com>...
> What a nice , positive, encouraging thread. I thought this stuff disappeared
> here a long time ago! Well done!!
Sun, 21 November 2004 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lara hartley (Photoshop begginer)
> lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote in news:7119be4d.0411161412.3f83d899
> @posting.google.com:
>
> > After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
> > upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
> > Photoshop.
> >

First off take a big breath, next take another big breath and relax.

What everyone is saying about books and tutorials are right on. And you
might consider taking classes or seminars.

I self-trained on PS 3 and then worked up through books and classes
until I feel like I can at least follow instructions in a book and
understand the directions.

My PS CS came with a training CD or DVD. Those are pretty helpful.

FYI I also have a copy of Illustrator - can NOT figure that out at all.
It makes no sense and I haven't a clue why I need it! It came with the
Suite. :-)

lara

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Sun, 21 November 2004 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wizard of Draws (Photoshop expert)
On 11/21/04 7:56 PM, in article
larahartley_1-9F1A1C.16561821112004@news.verizon.net, "lara hartley"
<larahartley_1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> FYI I also have a copy of Illustrator - can NOT figure that out at all.
> It makes no sense and I haven't a clue why I need it! It came with the
> Suite. :-)
>
> lara

For starters, you can set text in Illustrator and do things with it that
aren't easily accomplished in Photoshop. Nearly any text that I put on my
cartoons is set in Illustrator.

Custom shapes and patterns that would take too long to create in Photoshop,
I do in Illustrator.

Knockouts in my cartoons are done in Illustrator.

After I've had too much caffeine and my lines aren't just right, smoothing
and straightening them is done in Illustrator.

Using both Photoshop and Illustrator, I can take a 100x100 pixel cartoon of
mine and make a high-res version that will work as a t-shirt design,
billboard, or poster or whatever and you'd never know it started out 1"
tall.

Illustrator is Photoshop's best friend and you will do yourself a huge favor
by learning to integrate the two.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
Mon, 22 November 2004 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kingdom (Photoshop expert)
lara hartley <larahartley_1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:larahartley_1-9F1A1C.16561821112004@news.verizon.net:

>> lukehall@gmail.com (Luke Hall) wrote in
>> news:7119be4d.0411161412.3f83d899 @posting.google.com:
>>
>> > After using MS Photodraw for the past 4 years, i have decided to
>> > upgrade my software for something more professional. So i purchased
>> > Photoshop.
>> >
>
> First off take a big breath, next take another big breath and relax.
>
> What everyone is saying about books and tutorials are right on. And
> you might consider taking classes or seminars.
>
> I self-trained on PS 3 and then worked up through books and classes
> until I feel like I can at least follow instructions in a book and
> understand the directions.
>
> My PS CS came with a training CD or DVD. Those are pretty helpful.
>
> FYI I also have a copy of Illustrator - can NOT figure that out at
> all. It makes no sense and I haven't a clue why I need it! It came
> with the Suite. :-)
>
> lara
>

Illistrator is the application to use for vector graphics, it is simply
the best availabe and its awesome what can be achieved with it. but as
you have discovered its a huge learning curve as every aspect of vector
graphics can be minutly controlled. It will take you a considerable
amount of time to learn illustrator and honestly it can wait till until
you have a good command of Photoshop unless you specificaly want to
produce vector graphic illustrations. There are one or two things
photoshop just can not do but illustrator can. Example duplicate a
lampost with perspective to the vanishing point in a street scene but
illuatrator can so you can produce your perspective lamposts and bring
them into your street scene in photoshop etc.

Basicaly Photoshop is for raster images ie pixels and it has a little
bit of vector stuff while illustrator is mainly for vector graphics with
a little bit of raster capability imaging. Between the two there is
nothing you can not do, your only limited buy your imagination.

--
Youth is wasted on the young!
Mon, 22 November 2004 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lara hartley (Photoshop begginer)
>
> Illustrator is Photoshop's best friend and you will do yourself a huge favor
> by learning to integrate the two.

I would but right now I have no real reason to do so. The kind of
photography I do doesn't need Illustrator.

And before I learn that, I have to figure out GoLive so I can get my web
page up and running!

lara :-)

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Mon, 22 November 2004 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wizard of Draws (Photoshop expert)
On 11/22/04 4:16 PM, in article
larahartley_1-C837C6.13160722112004@news.verizon.net, "lara hartley"
<larahartley_1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Illustrator is Photoshop's best friend and you will do yourself a huge favor
>> by learning to integrate the two.
>
> I would but right now I have no real reason to do so. The kind of
> photography I do doesn't need Illustrator.
>
> And before I learn that, I have to figure out GoLive so I can get my web
> page up and running!
>
> lara :-)

Beautiful work, BTW.

Although I'd recommend Dreamweaver instead of GoLive if you have the option,
have fun with the site.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
Mon, 22 November 2004 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lara hartley (Photoshop begginer)
In article
<BDC7F827.35EA9%jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com>,
Wizard of Draws <jeffbTAKEOUTCAPS@TAKEOUTCAPSwizardofdraws.com> wrote:

> http://www.wizardofdraws.com

Thanks Jeff! I already have GoLive - part of that CS suite thing - so
that is why I have to learn to use that.

You drew ALL those clip arts? Amazing. I couldn't draw a squiggle if I
needed to!

lara

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Tue, 23 November 2004 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JD (Photoshop expert)
lara hartley wrote:

>snip<
>
> You drew ALL those clip arts? Amazing. I couldn't draw a squiggle if I
> needed to!
>
> lara
>
>photographer € writer € editor
>My Gallery
>http://tinyurl.com/2hrc7
>

lara..

Your work looks very good.

You might consider a little different way to copyright your work but
using the more standard method: © 2004 your name.

--

JD..
Tue, 23 November 2004 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wizard of Draws (Photoshop expert)
On 11/22/04 9:28 PM, in article
larahartley_1-7C30B0.18284922112004@news.verizon.net, "lara hartley"
<larahartley_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You drew ALL those clip arts? Amazing. I couldn't draw a squiggle if I
> needed to!
>
> lara

Yes I did thank you. Cute squiggles come much easier if you've been doing it
for a bunch of decades like me.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
Sun, 09 January 2005 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
urbangrafix (Photoshop begginer)
there are several Graphic design forums out there that can help you
learn the basics of Photoshop.
http://www.grafixlounge.com
http://photoshopcafe.com
http://dreamweavercafe.com/cafe
Mon, 10 January 2005 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bobby Dogg (Advanced Photoshop user)
why is brain surgery so difficult? Well because it's complex
BD
<urbangrafix@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105332145.694610.118590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> there are several Graphic design forums out there that can help you
> learn the basics of Photoshop.
> http://www.grafixlounge.com
> http://photoshopcafe.com
> http://dreamweavercafe.com/cafe
>
Mon, 10 January 2005 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jjs[10] (Photoshop expert)
"Bobby Dogg" <Bobb_Dogg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41e2ff5e$0$24412$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> why is brain surgery so difficult? Well because it's complex

That's it! We gotta come up with a GUI for self-brainsurgery .... as a
prerequisite to becoming a web author.
Mon, 10 January 2005 21:10 Go to previous message
Hecate (Photoshop expert)
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:23 -0600, "jjs" <john&#064;xstafford.net>
wrote:

>
>"Bobby Dogg" <Bobb_Dogg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:41e2ff5e$0$24412$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>> why is brain surgery so difficult? Well because it's complex
>
>That's it! We gotta come up with a GUI for self-brainsurgery .... as a
>prerequisite to becoming a web author.
>
That assumes there's a brain on which to commit surgery ... ;-)

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