EXIF data from CS files not recognized when uploading to Pbase

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Seve_Miller
Nov 13, 2003
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Has anyone else experienced this problem with PS CS?

I upgraded to CS and now find that when I upload files to Pbase, the site no longer reads the data that seems to be embedded in the file (i.e. I don’t see the EXIF data below any of the newly posted files). My workflow is simply to convert to 8-bit TIF in CS, misc. corrections (Levels, USM), save the TIF, then save a JPG version for uploading to Pbase. When I look at any of the three files in the File Browser (CRW, TIF, or JPG), I see all of the EXIF data, yet can’t find it on the site.

Is there any setting I forgot to check in CS, or could I have inadvertently done something in Pbase?

FYI, the photos to which I am referring are at:

<http://www.pbase.com/sevemiller/millburn>

Thanks in advance,

Steve
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MarcPawliger
Nov 13, 2003
From the filenames of the original files, it appears as if the original files were Camera Raw files (some camera raw files use the file name extension .tif). Photoshop CS does not write EXIF metadata versions of Camera Raw metadata.

–marc
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Seve_Miller
Nov 13, 2003
Thanks Marc,

I guess this is a subtle difference from C1 raw conversion because in my previous workflow, I converted the CRW file in C1, then did everything else in PS. The resulting JPGs that I posted to Pbase had the EXIF information intact.

What I still don’t understand is that all of the EXIF information can be seen in the original CRW, the converted TIF, and the uploaded JPG when using File Browser in PS CS.

Thanks again,

Steve
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Paul_DeRocco
Nov 14, 2003
There is definitely something wrong here. I can see the EXIF data in JPEGs saved by PSCS when I reload them into PSCS, so the info is definitely in the file _somewhere_, but neither PBase nor ThumbsPlus display it any more. This only happens to files converted from Canon raw–if I shoot a JPEG in the camera, load it into PSCS, and resave it, the EXIF data shows in other apps.

The only thing I see different, between files that were originally JPEG and files that were originally raw, is that in File->File Info->Advanced, EXIF is preceded by another item for raw files. I don’t understand what the headings for these categories mean: they all look like URLs starting with <http://ns.adobe.com>, but that’s not a real existing domain name, as far as I can tell.

If there isn’t a setting that I’m missing somewhere, I’d say this is seriously broken. I _need_ to be able to see the EXIF data. I don’t see where Adobe has the right to unilaterally decide to start storing EXIF data in a way that other apps can’t read.
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Chris_Cox
Nov 15, 2003
Yes, the info is in the XMP metadata.

Yes, we’ve documented several times now that Camera RAW puts all the metadata into XMP (so we can’t save it back out as EXIF).

It’s not broken.
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Paul_DeRocco
Nov 15, 2003
Well, IT may not be broken, but it broke every pre-existing piece of software on planet Earth that reads EXIF data. If the rest of the world decides to add support for Adobe’s invention, then I’m sure life will be heavenly for all, but until then, we’re screwed. I can’t believe Adobe arrogantly made this unilateral change without even putting a configuration option into the Camera Raw plugin. What’s the workaround? Tell me what to do.
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Thomas_Knoll
Nov 17, 2003
The EXIF information is there, it is just encoded as XMP rather than the old-style EXIF TIFF tags. Photoshop CS and other recent Adobe applications see this EXIF data just fine. We expect third party image database utilities will be updated to support XMP based metadata, at which time they will start seeing the EXIF information inside the XMP data.

However, it may take some time until all third party software is updated to support XMP.

To help users during this transition time until XMP is more widely supported, the first "new camera support" update to Adobe Camera Raw 2.0 will be modified to mirror the EXIF information to both the old EXIF tags and the new XMP structures.

The schedule for this Camera Raw update release has not been announced yet, but my guess is sometime early next year.

Thomas Knoll
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Paul_DeRocco
Nov 17, 2003
Does anyone know of any Windows utilities, including possibly command line ones, that can read the XMP EXIF data from a file and put the conventional EXIF data back? If I can’t find any, I may have to write one.

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