"I have always hated that stupid underline thing in IR and now it’s in PS."
Hey Ryan, ctrl-h is your friend. Try it out with the text tool. Personally I always liked the IR text tool better and I’d consider myself a "pro" and not an idiot.
"You’ll never touch it, Adobe, so why even try?"
Yeah, you’re right. I think they should rip out layers, plug-ins and all the other new features put in since Photoshop 1.0. Someone else had already done them so why did Adobe even bother making their product better? It would have been much better to have to purchase multiple programs, each good at only one task.
One has to ask who the idiot here really is Ryan?
Are we taking bets? I got a 50 bill ready to go.
Sure, but you’ll forever be banned from the Photoshop Hall of Fame.
Bob
From my narrow perspective, I think the plethora of brush options is overkill. Never having used Illustrator, doesn’t this mutitude of options compete with it?
If only Ctrl+H worked for me in CS. Unfortunately, that is one function I use time and again … and that key combo doesn’t work in CS. Maybe it’s just me. *sigh*
Stephen,
It’s not just you, it’s a group of people who either installed the activaion crack or who need to update their keyboard drivers.
The No-Break behavior was fixed in Photoshop CS (it’s broken in 6 and 7) – a large amount of text that is all set to No-Break is supposed to wrap out of the box. Use a no-break space (option-space in Photoshop CS) instead to still have words broken up in the middle.
Most Photoshop 7 text layers should be updated with very little change. I would be interested in files that you have that show significant difference. There could be a valid reason why, or a bug, but I can’t tell without taking a look.
-Scott
Geez Stuart, you’re a real hoser. That underline will NOT go away with control-H. Ryan’s message was very valid.
Anyhoo, to fix that just turn off(uncheck) View/ Extras.
Ryan, I am diggin the photoshop pro idea. I’ve been using for 7 years, I would love some more attention to be paid to us power users.
David Morley
Hello all,
I agree with that, Adobe have to look at Apple and the fact they have splitted their lines of products in two: the pro ones and the iSuite.
The new Filters Gallery have nothing to do in a professional software but Adobe have to work more on productivity and robustess of PS (better memory management – check the 2 Go of DDR400 bug threads for example; responsive interface) and not on new gadgets and cosmethic stuff.
For me, PS come more in more a toy for digital hobbyists than a professional software for creative people (designers, illustrators, etc…)
Um….those who are asking for a "Pro" version of Photoshop may not be happy with this, but it already exists: it’s called Photoshop. The non-pro version is called Photoshop Elements. Now, you might not agree on exactly which mix of features belong where, but the pro/hobbyist split occurred a long time ago.
Haha, good call. Shows how buried in Photoshop I am– I forgot about poor PS Elements(which actually is a pretty robust little app). Oh well, just pipe dreams. I guess I’d just like to see some new advanced lighting effects like volumetric lighting effects or other 3d lighting techniques added. I’ve also always had this idea that I’d love to see a function that would allow you to put items in a folder then display them in other PSD files but only have to edit them in the one master document and have them update the other linked files. Like a dynamic website. Ya know, I’m just yapping though, thank GOD for Photoshop. My whole career is built on this program! I think I was just ticked off at that other dude’s rude comment to Ryan’s comment.
In response to Stuart’s post:
"Yeah, you’re right. I think they should rip out layers, plug-ins and all the other new features put in since Photoshop 1.0. Someone else had already done them so why did Adobe even bother making their product better? It would have been much better to have to purchase multiple programs, each good at only one task.
One has to ask who the idiot here really is Ryan? "
I was not suggesting that Adobe shouldn’t improve PS, I am merely protesting the addition of items that I consider "out of scope" for the product. PS is a photo editor and compositing tool. While capable of so much more, it is not Painter, nor is it Illustrator. And it sure as hell shouldn’t be ImageReady, but they are trying pretty hard to make it all of those products. I just can’t figure out why.
The Brushes that first appeared in PS 7 were the most vexing thing to me I have ever experienced in an application. I use a Wacom tablet, and what used to be a couple of simple checkboxes (v. 5.5 and earlier) right out in the open to turn on/off pressure sensitivity are now buried in a complex "brush authoring" interface… requiring me to "program" my brushes and save them to a file. This is ridiculous. They took a simple, usable interface and took 10 steps back in usability so that we can program our brushes? Who cares? I wonder if most of us really need anything more than a regular brush? I dumped all the stupid presets, made my own brushes and now use those… but the interface still sucks. Everyone I know hates the brushes in PS 7 and CS.
And don’t even get me started on Slices, Styles (?), and that horrible File Browser POS.
I would love to go back to version 4, and then cherry pick certain advancements made to PS since then… like editable text layers, save for web, layer effects, healing brush, background eraser tool, liquify, and just a few other things. These to me are the real innovations made to PS. The unnecessary interface changes and bloatware additions to the app are slowly ruining it. Not to mention the 15 month versioning cycle that the whole software industry is plagued with now.
The only reason Adobe comes out with a new version of PS every year, vesus every few years like in the past, is to keep the stock price up for the investors. It’s almost like they just come up with interface tweaks to do for the hell of it just so they can release a new version. Then they rush it out full of bugs because they don’t have enought time to code it and test it properly. This is happening indsutry wide, and it is disturbing.
I have heard of some legislation that would make software vendors liable for faulty software. Let’s just hope that something like this gets passed. I don’t want a new version of PS every year. I want one that works, that’s solid, and not full of features I’ll never use. Microsoft had to learn this the hard way… that 80% of MS Office features go unused by the majority of end users. So the question is why put it in there? Leave it lean and quick, and add features sparingly… and in the mean time fix the damn bugs! Known, major bugs should be given attention before ANY new feature is even considered.
I would gladly wait 2 or 3 years for the next version of PS, and when it came out if it only had 5 new features, but was stable as hell, then I say "great!". Better than 50 new features and full of bugs.
Ryan
I have heard of some legislation that would make software vendors liable for faulty software. Let’s just hope that something like this gets passed.
Let’s not. Do you have any idea what would happen? Think about it. Software companies would need malpractice insurance. The cost would skyrocket.
Microsoft had to learn this the hard way… that 80% of MS Office features go unused by the majority of end users.
And this Microsoft’s fault? Just because their customers are uneducated in the use of features doesn’t make it the manufacturers fault. Is it GM’s fault that drivers don’t wear seatbelts? The feature is there is you want to learn about it and use it.
Bob
You know, having read through the threads here, I’d like to offer up my two cents.
I think all-in-all, Adobe puts out some pretty kick-ass products. Having used Photoshop, Illustrator and PageMaker for the past 10 years, Acrobat for the past 7 years and InDesign for the past three, I have yet to run across any of the so-called bugs that seem to stir other people into an absolute tizzy.
For the people here who know me, you’ll know that I know my (stuff) when it comes to Photoshop, Illustrator, heck… just about all design related software. You know that I really put these programs through their paces and work ’em very hard. And I would have to say that most of the "bugs" that people encounter are either a result of hardware conflicts or simply not understanding the proper way(s) to accomplish something. Thinking that it should work a certain way may be what’s best for you, but not for all users as a whole and that misperception does not necessarily qualify a program as having a bug.
That said, there is something to be said for using a program for what it’s intended to be used for. Sure, just because you CAN use Photoshop for text; doesn’t mean that it’s the best program to do your ad layouts in. And just because you can apply filter effects in Illustrator, doesn’t mean that you should do your photo manipulation there. The different products exist for a reason, people. Sheer ignorance of function and capabilities should not necessitate condemnation of a product or a person.
I am a professional graphic designer. I use professional tools and as such it is my responsibility to keep up to date on all the programs, hardware and processes at my disposal. I do this by reading manuals, and by taking the time to experiement the hell out of the new equipment. If a product changes its way of functioning, I have two choices: Either adapt or find a new productand believe me, there are options out there (which is why I prefer CorelDraw over Illustrator; InDesign over Quark; a PC instead of a Mac). I don’t buy into preconceived notions that there is a set way something has to be done. A tool is only as good as the craftsman holding it, but no matter the talents of that craftsman, he’ll still be better off using a hammer to pound in a nail than he would using a tape measure. We don’t live in a one-click-and-you’re-done world. Many people THINK we do, but as I said before, what one thinks does not always make it true.
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Wow Bludvlz, you’re a pro. Meanwhile, can someone please explain that underline thing to me? I thought I had it all figured out with turning View Extras off, but that doesn’t actually work. It temporarily removes it but also removes the cursor, so you don’t know where you’re typing. Then it all returns next time you start a new text block. Is there truly a way to make the underline go away? I can’t see what I’m typing. FYI- Adobe tech support couldn’t resolve this for me either.
David,
It doesn’t really bother me at all. I would just take it and use it like another tool by using the line to help me line up the text to specific items or objects on the screen.
Is there a particular reason why you want it to go away or is it just an aesthetic preference?
Is there truly a way to make the underline go away?
No… per Scott B. You can hide it temporarily, but it’ll come back. Get used to it. 🙁
Actually, turning off Tool Extras does hide it permanently, but as it goes, so does the cursor. One alternative is zooming in when typing in small text. The underline will still be there, but since it doesn’t scale with the zoom, you can at least see the text better. I’m sorry this one slipped by, but it did.
-Scott
thanks for the clarification scott! sorry to misquote you!
dave
David,
"Is there truly a way to make the underline go away?"
In preferences I changed the color of my guides, grids and slices to unobtrusive colors, as light gray, to reduce my own angst regarding their visual presence. Now when I use each of them I am not bothered. I don’t know if you can do that to your underlines, perhaps you can ask the Adobe Team.
Re: Ryan,
Also, as a general response to Ryan’s perturbation regarding the expanded capabilities of Photoshop, I just want Adobe to know that his views are not my views. And they are probably not the views of most other Photoshop users either.
I embellish the additional features and wider ranging controls such as in the preset manager…speaking of which I very much desire additional capabilities therein, but that’s another topic.
I do wish Photoshop itself (and not another program) would continue to enhance it’s text editing capabilities. I used to pray for text paths on curves to be added in PS’s feature set
I use a few essential programs to create my general compositions, CD album covers and signature art, web designs and ad art…but if i had my way, personally, it could all be done inside one program. I have never enjoyed the loss of mental continuity or focus, when moving a composition from program to another for specific edits. If I was ever miffed by anything, I guess I could say that was it. That also wastes valuable working time as far as I’m concerned, for someone like me who tends to need to recapture the focus each time.
As far as styles go, I’m not sure you understand how powerful the styles feature set is. I make and delete styles like some people make and delete small changes. Only when for any particular client’s project you happen to create a few styles of whatever features you may need, it is thereafter an incredibly fast twixing of a few non-destructive parameters that can make or break a fast approaching deadline.
But that’s just me. I may not speak for anyone else, so I’ll not pretend that I am.
And to Adobe…keep the new and expanded feature sets coming! Oh, your meta tagging feature is something I use a lot…slicing, as needed…save for web, every day at least 30 times.
Thanks again Adobe and to the Adobe Team…you guys are the rocks that bind.
Kind Regards,
Snapper
