tmalcom wrote:
7. Version Cue System Tray Icon. I don’t use Version Cue and have no intention of doing so.
You don’t have to install Version Cue…
Did anyone else read past number 1?
Bob
Phoning Home. Every time I open CS on my home machine, it tries to connect to the internet. Not to localhost, but to a DNS server
what ip?
Don’t let the doorknob hit you on the backside on your way out. On second thought, I’m one of those design purists you speak ill of. I hope the doorknob leaves a welt you’ll not soon forget.
10. Either Photoshop is too expensive, or InDesign is too cheap.
11. No support for Linux.
12. Slipping corporate image, in the minds of some loyal customers. Exacerbated by a few unhelpful comments.
I think I’ll skip this round… it’s just more of the same.
VES
tmalcom…you’re gonna love a cracked version of CS. It will add a euphoric dimension to your happy life.
Yet another "Brief History of Whine"……..
1) There’s nothing about Activation that should make you feel like a thief;
that feeling originates within yourself and perhaps you should think about why. Acitvation is NOT copy protection. I grew up with the same copy protection you did, and would never put up with trying to put that in a product. But I also won’t put naked bits out anymore. Period.
2) That’s Version Cue. Even when it’s off (yeah, bug). You can safely have your firewall block it. Once activated, Photoshop doesn’t need to contact the internet anymore.
3) If there are pauses where the CPU isn’t doing anything, change your defeault printer to a local printer. All our tests show that Photoshop CS launches in about the same time, which, given the extra functionality, is pretty darned good.
4) What kind of files?
5) None of the beta users complained, so it just slipped by. Yes, there should be a way of hiding the line.
Sorry about Customer Service. I wish there was something I could do about it.
-Scott
There shall be no Whine.
Before it’s time.
It’s time? <running and hiding!>
8. File associations…
You mean they are taken over repeatedly, or just after the program was installed (and pretty much every program will take over associations of programs it understands if you don’t do a custom install).
Now, if it is continually taking back associations, then I think you have something to complain about.
(Waiting patiently for my copy of CS, ordered before US Thanksgiving and expected in four days. I hope the guy at Canadian Customs who has been playing with it gets bored soon and sends it on to me.)
C’mon you guys are running away to fast. I was looking forward to 168 messages on anarchy to corporate greed. Again.
Corporations aren’t greedy, people are greedy. 🙁
Are we starting again?
Thirty-three days, sir… still no sign of land…
Hey, that’s like,
Corporations don’t kill people, people kill people.
Now the funniest takeoff on the NRA motto is something Eddie Izzard said;
"Guns don’t kill people, monkey’s with guns kill people. Just ask Charlton Heston."
LOL!!
VES
6) I have the solution for you, because it took me a moment to figure out
why the heck I was having this problem too; when you create your droplet, toggle the "Override Action Open Commands" box. Problem goes away.
MY intentions, exactly, Vernon. 🙂
Thirty-three days! We can’t go on much longer, sir. No new arguments since the fifth day… We’re done for, we’re done for!
There are a lot of other major things that suck about Photoshop CS. I just haven’t found any of them.
The kind of what-if scenario that might cause one to pause:
The problem is due to an error in the way certain dynamic-link libraries (DLLs) are validated. Currently, the installation process incorrectly interprets some DLLs as invalid, when in fact they are valid.
– Time-out code ambushes MS Small Business Server 2003 install? <
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/67/34375.html>
We’re done for, we’re done for!
Thank you, Robert Levine, Stuart McCoy, Vernon Stevens, LenHewitt, and pope, for your thoughtful, well-reasoned responses. As soon as I can come up with something equally insightful, I’ll let you know.
Scott,
Thanks for being helpful. You’ll never change my mind about activation, but I understand your position. Copy protection is copy protection no matter what it’s called and there are always going to be problems with it. I think it’s important for Adobe to understand the effect it has on long-time customers and that we voice those concerns. Silence implies acceptance.
The files that take an inordinately long time to open are interface prototypes and have many layers (no nested sets) of both graphics and text. The same file that opens in PS7 in about 5 seconds takes 20 to 30 in PSCS. The only printer I have hooked up is a local one (I rarely print anything at all), so it can’t be a network printer that’s causing the slowdown.
I’ll permanently block Version Cue, but you have to admit that from this side of the fence it’s paranoia-inducing to have it try to connect every time I open CS.
dave milbut,
The IP resolves to an AT&T server.
Don McCahill,
File associations aren’t constantly reset by Photoshop, but it’s a pain to have to reclaim them after an install or reinstall. There also seem to be an excessive number of Adobe file associations outside of common graphics file formats. I count at least 40. The vast majority are innocuous, but it would be nice to have to option of not making them, especially those that obviously conflict with other common associations like ASP. It also makes for a very long list to sort through when trying to figure out issues with other associations.
Is PS CS contacting an Outside IP or is it version Cue?
Why is PS CS even contacting the outside world? Major Privacy Hole there. Someone is logging that call.
Tmalcom Do you have that IP?
I see no outside contact going on with just PSCS.
Is PS CS contacting an Outside IP or is it version Cue?
I’m watching your computer right now, and I don’t see any unusual activity.
Thanks for being helpful. You’ll never change my mind about activation,
but I understand your position. Copy protection is copy protection no matter what it’s called and there are always going to be problems with it. I think it’s important for Adobe to understand the effect it has on long-time customers and that we voice those concerns. Silence implies acceptance.
Note that there’s a feedback link on the Activation FAQ web page (can be found off of the Photoshop CS page at www.adobe.com) – use that if you wish, it’s more effective than posting here.
Activation really isn’t copy protection – copy protection tries to do "something" to prevent you from copying the bits, and as part of that, usually has to do some really shady things. With activation, you can copy the bits off the CD and from machine to machine. It just won’t run until activated. This is a *much* different thing. It is here to stay (in spite of some really bad and botched attempts at it from Intuit and Symantec), and support for it will probably be provided by the next iterations of the operating systems. Also note that there is *no* private information transmitted during activation.
So, I know I probably can’t convince you of the difference between copy protection and activation. There is one, or I would never have allowed it to go into the product.
The files that take an inordinately long time to open are interface
prototypes and have many layers (no nested sets) of both graphics and text. The same file that opens in PS7 in about 5 seconds takes 20 to 30 in PSCS. The only printer I have hooked up is a local one (I rarely print anything at all), so it can’t be a network printer that’s causing the slowdown.
Lots of text layes can be slower by a good chunk – it’s getting converted into the new engine format on loading. Note that as long as you don’t use new features with those text layers, they’ll go back and forth to Photoshop 7 just fine (with a layout warning and some very minor differences). If you do chose to update them in Photoshop CS and save the file back out, the files should load much faster.
I’ll permanently block Version Cue, but you have to admit that from this
side of the fence it’s paranoia-inducing to have it try to connect every time I open CS.
Yeah. I’m not happy about it either. It’s only trying to connect to a server local on your machine, which would have been installed as part of the Creative Suite, but it does it even when disabled.
-Scott
"Thank you, Robert Levine, Stuart McCoy, Vernon Stevens, LenHewitt, and pope, for your thoughtful, well-reasoned responses. As soon as I can come up with something equally insightful, I’ll let you know."
You’re welcome tmalcom. As soon as you post a thoughtful, well-reasoned topic I’ll be happy to respond in kind. Until then beggars can’t be choosers and whiners should have a little more cheese.
🙂
Well said, Stuart. This is kinda like the movie Groundhog Day, except the movie was very entertaining.
Bob
Well said, Stuart.
I disagree.
This is kinda like the movie Groundhog Day, except the movie was very entertaining.
I agree.
Scott,
Activation really isn’t copy protection – copy protection tries to do "something" to prevent you from copying the bits, and as part of that, usually has to do some really shady things.
I think writing anything to the boot sector of my hard drive is pretty shady. I barely trust the operating system to do that, let alone a copy-protection scheme. We’ll just have to disagree over the definition of copy protection…I obviously take a much broader view of it.
Lots of text layers can be slower by a good chunk – it’s getting converted into the new engine format on loading. Note that as long as you don’t use new features with those text layers, they’ll go back and forth to Photoshop 7 just fine (with a layout warning and some very minor differences). If you do chose to update them in Photoshop CS and save the file back out, the files should load much faster.
The files that are slow to load have been converted from PS7 and saved in CS. I expected them to be slower on the first load in CS, but they’re still very slow to open even after the conversion and I’m not using any new features on them. In general, the files have 20 to 30 layer groups (none nested), about 75% of those containing one or two text layers along with a couple of graphic pieces.
Don’t mention it. I am an insightful, well-reasoned person, so that explains my response. Glad to be of assistance.
VES
I have to agree with tmalcom concerning the activation requirement. If a person wants to load a cracked copy of Photoshop, it is easily gotten. The activation is only an inconvenience to honest buyers. I upgrade my system quite frequently, and I’m at the point now where I’ve changed my hardware enough that I have to call Microsoft every time I reload Windows. I usually reload Windows at least once or twice a year, just to get rid of all of the junk that accumulates over time. I expect that I’ll eventually be calling Adobe when my hardware has changed sufficiently for them to think it’s a new computer.
-Joe
Fudge.
I had been planning to sit out this version "upgrade", and now I’ve discovered a friend has bought me a copy of CS for xmas. While I know there’s no one twisting my arm to install the thing, it would be hard to explain to my friend why I haven’t.
I hate xmas.
I’ve discovered a friend has bought me a copy of CS for xmas
Did you shake the box?
I wish my friends would by me CS for Christmas (keep Dave happy :))
Anyone?
It’s "Cripsmas"…in East L.A.
