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Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

Littleboy

"Bryce" wrote in message

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print out text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

"Littleboy" <littleboy_at_emp3mail.com> wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.
Littleboy

"Bryce" wrote in message

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved for press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is 300 dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice of fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved for press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is 300 dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice of fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

"WharfRat" wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved

for

press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is

300

dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice

of

fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

Hi.

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi. Is there a better group to ask this question in I wonder?

Bryce.

in article sMGNb.691$, Bryce at
wrote on 1/15/04 5:05 PM:

"WharfRat" wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved

for

press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is

300

dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice

of

fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

Hi.

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi. Is there a better group to ask this question in I wonder?

—
How do you export at 3oo dpi?
You don’t mean with the downsampling menu?
–
Is your type interacting with transparency?

What is your flattener resolution and gradient resolution? Do you have checkboxes checked to
force fonts and strokes to outlines – when interacting with transparency?

I think enough prepress folks participate in this group
to figure things out for you.

Can you show it to us?

MSD

"Bryce" wrote in
news:sMGNb.691$:

"WharfRat" wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved

for

press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is

300

dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice

of

fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

Hi.

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi.

You would expect type at 300 ppi to look crappy. Why is it not still vectors?

Is there a better group to ask this question in I
wonder?

The problem is, you’re confusing the hell out of everyone, since noone can imagine why you’d want to rasterize type.

Bryce wrote:

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print out text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

Did you try PRINTING to Acrobat Distiller? It sometimes solves many issues, you know.

Also, check your transparency flattener style. Usually, [Medium Resolution] works for 300dpi. If you have a custom style selected, edit it (Edit -> Transparency Flattener Styles…) and uncheck "Force Text to Outlines" if it is checked.

If you’re printing to a common desk-top printer, make sure the text is black (although I don’t see how this would change anything, maybe it’d help).

Other than that, try changing the font. Maybe it’s the font that’s causing the problem.

See if the paper format specified in the PDF mathces the paper format in your printer. If they don’t Acrobat usually downsizes or enlarges the PDF to match the size (the default setting that can be chaged). This can become a problem if your text is not vector, but, otherwise, it turns out crisp one way or the other.

Well, I can’t be of much assistance since I never encountered problems with PDFs, but hope this helps.

—
Branko Vukelic ()

"WharfRat" wrote in message

in article sMGNb.691$, Bryce at
wrote on 1/15/04 5:05 PM:

"WharfRat" wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod

from

sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I

print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are

saved

for

press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything

is

300

dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice

of

fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

Hi.

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks

crappy

after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at

300

dpi. Is there a better group to ask this question in I wonder?

—
How do you export at 3oo dpi?
You don’t mean with the downsampling menu?
–
Is your type interacting with transparency?

What is your flattener resolution and gradient resolution? Do you have checkboxes checked to
force fonts and strokes to outlines – when interacting with transparency?
I think enough prepress folks participate in this group
to figure things out for you.

Can you show it to us?

MSD

Thanks. I will research this.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Bryce" wrote in
news:sMGNb.691$:

"WharfRat" wrote in message

Does this happen to other pdf files as well, the ones you downlaod from sites etc.?
It might give an insight as to where the problem originates.

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

no, the pdf’s from sites look great, especially the ones that are saved

for

press and print.

In indesign, when I export pdf, I choose print option and everything is

300

dpi. I wonder what would make it not look crisp. Maybe it’s the choice

of

fonts? But I can’t imagine why that would be.

—
What are the InDy files – things built in InDesign or
Photoshop files placed into InDesign to print?
–
If Photoshop files – what resolution are they?
Is the type produced in InDy or Photoshop?
Why do you think the type from InDesign is at 300 dpi?

Even the downsampling in PDF export
would only happen for bitmap files over 450 dpi.

MSD

Hi.

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi.

You would expect type at 300 ppi to look crappy. Why is it not still vectors?

Is there a better group to ask this question in I
wonder?

The problem is, you’re confusing the hell out of everyone, since noone can imagine why you’d want to rasterize type.

Thanks! I am going to look into all of this today and get back here to the group on Monday. Thanks again.

"Branko Vukelic" wrote in message

Bryce wrote:

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

Did you try PRINTING to Acrobat Distiller? It sometimes solves many

issues,

you know.

Also, check your transparency flattener style. Usually, [Medium

Resolution]

works for 300dpi. If you have a custom style selected, edit it (Edit -> Transparency Flattener Styles…) and uncheck "Force Text to Outlines" if it is checked.

If you’re printing to a common desk-top printer, make sure the text is black (although I don’t see how this would change anything, maybe it’d help).

Other than that, try changing the font. Maybe it’s the font that’s causing the problem.

See if the paper format specified in the PDF mathces the paper format in your printer. If they don’t Acrobat usually downsizes or enlarges the PDF to match the size (the default setting that can be chaged). This can

become

a problem if your text is not vector, but, otherwise, it turns out crisp one way or the other.

Well, I can’t be of much assistance since I never encountered problems

with

PDFs, but hope this helps.

—
Branko Vukelic ()

I’ll try printing to Distiller. I’ve never had to do this before but I will go it that route and see if there is any change. Thanks.

Dunno why one should still be using distiller to be honest.

Bryce, if you like, send me your InDesign file (zipped) and i’ll have a look at it, and try printing it myself after saving it as a PDF file.

Should you send it, include non-windows fonts.

I’m sure you’ll figure out my email address (remove those underscores).

Regards

Littleboy

"Bryce" wrote in message

"Branko Vukelic" wrote in message

Bryce wrote:

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print

out

text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it

doesn’t

look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

Did you try PRINTING to Acrobat Distiller? It sometimes solves many

issues,

you know.

Also, check your transparency flattener style. Usually, [Medium

Resolution]

works for 300dpi. If you have a custom style selected, edit it (Edit -> Transparency Flattener Styles…) and uncheck "Force Text to Outlines"

if

it is checked.

If you’re printing to a common desk-top printer, make sure the text is black (although I don’t see how this would change anything, maybe it’d help).

Other than that, try changing the font. Maybe it’s the font that’s

causing

the problem.

See if the paper format specified in the PDF mathces the paper format in your printer. If they don’t Acrobat usually downsizes or enlarges the

PDF

to match the size (the default setting that can be chaged). This can

become

a problem if your text is not vector, but, otherwise, it turns out crisp one way or the other.

Well, I can’t be of much assistance since I never encountered problems

with

PDFs, but hope this helps.

—
Branko Vukelic ()

I’ll try printing to Distiller. I’ve never had to do this before but I

will

go it that route and see if there is any change. Thanks.

I put placed some text into InDesign 2. I did a regular print, exported as PDF and printed to Distiller without doing anything except changing the font to Adobe Garamond Pro Regular. I really could not see a problem except that the PDF’s had a little smaller type, but all type sharp considering the quality of the paper. Using an Epson 1200 and with PressReady.

Glenn

"Bryce" wrote in message

…that group is really slow over there so I thought I might ask it

here….

When I print out a word doc it comes out very crisp. But when I print out text from an pdf file that’s been exported from indesign 2.0, it doesn’t look as crisp? I’ve exported the indesign 2.0 docs to pdf on 300 dpi resolution for printing. Any ideas?

in article EKVNb.485$, Bryce at
wrote on 1/16/04 10:06 AM:

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi.

You would expect type at 300 ppi to look crappy. Why is it not still vectors?

—
I still don’t see how you are exporting the type at 300dpi. The export to PDF wouldn’t do that.

MSD

WharfRat wrote:

in article EKVNb.485$, Bryce at
wrote on 1/16/04 10:06 AM:

The Indy files are all built in Indy. It’s just the text that looks crappy after being exported to pdf. I can’t get it crisp. It’s all exported at 300 dpi.

You would expect type at 300 ppi to look crappy. Why is it not still vectors?

—
I still don’t see how you are exporting the type at 300dpi. The export to PDF wouldn’t do that.

MSD

I don’t think that can be done, tho.

Type remains vectors unless you rasterize it in Illy or PS. I’m not aware of InDy having that function.

There’s a chance of type being converted to outlines (which are still vectors), but being rasterized… I don’t think so.

—
Branko Vukelic ()