LCD monitor recommendations

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Jan 12, 2005
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My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.

So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?

Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.

Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the past two weeks).

Bill

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John McWilliams
Jan 12, 2005
Bill Hilton wrote:
My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?
Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.
Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the past two weeks).

(Don’t forget to remove the "edy" from the addy.)

The new Apple displays are said to work with PC’s. I wish I had one, but I got a Samsung SyncMaster 191t a year or so ago, and have been quite happy with it. I calibrated with the Spyder2, which also gave me definitive proof that my old Apple Multisync 21" could not be used for color work.

I am thinking of a second monitor, perhaps a 17 or 19" CRT for PS work, using the SyncMaster for text and palettes.

If I were starting from scratch, I think I’d go with the 30" Cinema display…..


John McWilliams
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Graeme Cogger
Jan 12, 2005
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My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?
Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.
Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the past two weeks).

Bill
The very best LCDs for photoshop use are the CG series from Eizo, although they’re certainly pricey! You _may_ be able to find the CG18 at a reasonable price at the moment, as it is being superseded by the CG19. It’s only 18" but I’d seriously consider it – these are supposed to be the best by some distance.
Failing that, Eizo are still probably the best bet. Having recently contacted Eizo UK about this, they recommended the L768 (19" LCD) for graphics use; I’ve also heard good things about the L767.
In other brands, the NEC 1980SX or 1980SXi is often
recommended, or possibly the Lacie monitors. The Sharp
LL-T1820 is also sometimes recommended.
The Apple Cinema displays can be made to work on a PC (via an ADC/DVI adapter), but from what I’ve heard they’re not as good as the above mentioned monitors.
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Michael
Jan 13, 2005
Hello,
I have a Apple Cinema 17" and have been pretty happy with it. Had to be repaired once for a backlight issue that I think was a defect. Promt repair and send back from apple. I use a 15" crt as a second monitor. That is for the home.

For the office I have a 19" Formac Gallery display. That one is very crisp and I have always liked the results even compaired to the apple. I use a 17" Dell or some computer system former monitor for the second.

The Formac has never really given me a problem. Had one question for service and got a prompt answer which is unusual for Formac apparently.

Not sure about the Apple on a PC but the Formac definately works with the PC though.
Both are calibrated and both provide excellent photoshop use. I don’t do super high end color work but I find the monitors have been pretty accurate for our color use.

I personally will never purchase a CRT again.

Michael

Bill Hilton wrote:

My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?
Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.
Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the past two weeks).

Bill

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Hecate
Jan 13, 2005
On 12 Jan 2005 16:16:10 GMT, (Bill Hilton)
wrote:

My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?
Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.
Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the past two weeks).
Apart from Apple or Sony, the only brand that is just expensive (As opposed to astronomically priced) and that gives you proper colour fidelity is Eizo.

If colour fidelity doesn’t matter than any old LCD will do.



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Daniel Masse
Jan 13, 2005
Graeme Cogger wrote:
The very best LCDs for photoshop use are the CG series from Eizo, although they’re certainly pricey! You _may_ be able to find the CG18 at a reasonable price at the moment, as it is being superseded by the CG19. It’s only 18" but I’d seriously consider it – these are supposed to be the best by some
distance.
Failing that, Eizo are still probably the best bet. Having recently contacted Eizo UK about this, they recommended the L768 (19" LCD) for graphics use; I’ve also heard good things about the L767.

I’ll second that statement : I spent days, weeks, months, trying to calibrate my new NEC LCD1700V, until I decided to get another monitor. I purchased an Eizo L568, which is not cheap, but still very reasonably priced. And, by the time I had connected the new monitor, my problem was solved ! I love it !

Btw, since I already had that NEC, I installed a dual video card, and kept both monitors. Fantastic !

In other brands, the NEC 1980SX or 1980SXi is often
recommended, or possibly the Lacie monitors. The Sharp
LL-T1820 is also sometimes recommended.
The Apple Cinema displays can be made to work on a PC (via an ADC/DVI adapter), but from what I’ve heard they’re not as good as the above mentioned monitors.
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povlhp
Jan 13, 2005
In article , Bill Hilton wrote:
My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for? I’d like something 19" or larger, say < $1,000. Looking at a PC Connection catalog I see Philips, Samsung, NEC/Mitsubishi, Sony and ViewSonics with varying specs for contrast ratio, brightness, input (ie, analog or digital or both), rate (refresh rate?), and viewing angle.

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?

Yes. And they are used by many advertizing agencies.

Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.


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eastside
Jan 14, 2005
You might check this article in the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/13/technology/circuits/13basi .html on LCDs. (Note, registration is for free.)

Dane

Do the Apple Cinema displays work on PCs or just with Macs?
Any help from expeienced users would be apprecitated. I know they are a bit
harder to calibrate than CRTs and I think I’ll probably replace my Spyder with
a Gretag Eye-One, but I’m not sure what else to look for.
Thanks (email is appreciated since my newsgroup reader is acting flakey the
past two weeks).

Bill
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bhilton665
Jan 14, 2005
From: (Bill Hilton)

My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace
it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for?

Thanks to all who replied or emailed … the local yokels are selling a Samsung 213T for $750 and unless I hear something really negative in the next day or so about it I think that’s what I’ll get. Any input?
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Wiggler
Jan 15, 2005
I just picked up the Sony sdm-hs94p in a 19 in LCD
It has what they call ultrabrite technology and the refresh is 12 milisec
v.s 24 on most current lcd’s.
It is my first transition to an LCD and it is awesome.
you can find it for around 8 bills.

"Bill Hilton" wrote in message
From: (Bill Hilton)

My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace
it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I
think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for?

Thanks to all who replied or emailed … the local yokels are selling a Samsung
213T for $750 and unless I hear something really negative in the next day or so
about it I think that’s what I’ll get. Any input?
FE
Fred Elbel
Jan 15, 2005
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:57:47 -0700, "Wiggler"
wrote:

I just picked up the Sony sdm-hs94p in a 19 in LCD
It has what they call ultrabrite technology and the refresh is 12 milisec
v.s 24 on most current lcd’s.
It is my first transition to an LCD and it is awesome.
you can find it for around 8 bills.

Does it have the highly reflective screen? I am adverse to that for my office – the reflections would be bothersome.
GC
Graeme Cogger
Jan 15, 2005
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says…
From: (Bill Hilton)

My 21" Viewsonic Pro CRT is getting a bit old and I think it’s time to replace
it. I was thinking of getting the Sony Artisan (self calibrating CRT) but I think instead I’ll look long and hard at the LCD monitors.
So what are the best brands and the key specs I should be watching for?

Thanks to all who replied or emailed … the local yokels are selling a Samsung 213T for $750 and unless I hear something really negative in the next day or so about it I think that’s what I’ll get. Any input?
I’ve seen many recommendations from Photoshop users for this screen. I’ve never heard any bad comments. Sounds good to me 🙂
TA
Timo Autiokari
Jan 16, 2005
GMT, (Bill Hilton) wrote:

I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs

Before you make the decision be very sure to compare the flat screen side by side with a CRT at the shop using the same good quality image on both …and please remember to tell us what CRT did you purchase!

Timo Autiokari http://www.aim-dtp.net
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Graeme Cogger
Jan 16, 2005
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says…
GMT, (Bill Hilton) wrote:

I know they are a bit harder to calibrate than CRTs

Before you make the decision be very sure to compare the flat screen side by side with a CRT at the shop using the same good quality image on both …and please remember to tell us what CRT did you purchase!
Timo Autiokari http://www.aim-dtp.net
Not a sensible comparison unless both screens are calibrated, and the images are viewed with a profile-aware application. You’d probably find that the CRT will have a native gamma of ~
2.5 and the LCD ~2.2. The LCD will almost certainly be
brighter – typical max brightness is 250 cd/m2 for an LCD but nearer 100 for a CRT. Most shops will set up the LCD at its maximum (you would never do that in normal use).
There’s just too much variation in how these things are set up in shops – it varies from bad to awful 🙂
TA
Timo Autiokari
Jan 16, 2005
Graeme Cogger wrote:

Not a sensible comparison unless both screens are calibrated, and the images are viewed with a profile-aware application.

Good point, here in Finland shops (not the markets but more specialized shops) usually have such a demo already set up and those who do not have it yet are very willing to arrange the demonstration, they have all the stuff on the shelf (like the calibration gadgets, sw etc) so this is not a big effort for them.

One really has to make the decision by first-hand experience. The Web is full of great reviews and "user" comments about the LCD and TFT panels … either the authors of these reviews do not see well or they are just marketing people pretending to be an users.

Timo Autiokari
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Graeme Cogger
Jan 16, 2005
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says…
Graeme Cogger wrote:

Not a sensible comparison unless both screens are calibrated, and the images are viewed with a profile-aware application.

Good point, here in Finland shops (not the markets but more specialized shops) usually have such a demo already set up and those who do not have it yet are very willing to arrange the demonstration, they have all the stuff on the shelf (like the calibration gadgets, sw etc) so this is not a big effort for them.

I wish this were the case in the UK!

One really has to make the decision by first-hand experience. The Web is full of great reviews and "user" comments about the LCD and TFT panels … either the authors of these reviews do not see well or they are just marketing people pretending to be an users.

Timo Autiokari

Still out there on your own, Timo?

🙂

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