Is this ligit or a scam

Gee I don’t know. Those testimonials sure sounded good. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter that the company has no contact details.

—
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www.fatgraphics.com
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"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

"James Loudon" wrote in message

Gee I don’t know. Those testimonials sure sounded good. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter that the company has no contact details.

What about an offer I read about USED PS without Manuals for a cheap price. How am I to know what is propper? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I just don’t have the bucks to lay down on things I have wanted like an old version of MS office. I would be happy with some handmedown SW that isn’t a bogus pirate deal. I don’t even think I have the time or real skills it takes to really appreciate PS or other over my head applications but wouldn’t mind spending some time to try things out. More than a trial period as sometime I work 50 to 60 HRs a week to help pay for a war or something.

Proctor

In article <hnjOb.75253$>, Proctor
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

It is not legit. A legitimate resold version of Photoshop offers the software on an original manufacturer CD, any manuals that came with the software, the box, and a transfer of license form so you now become the registered owner.

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

–marc

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:55:30 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

"James Loudon" wrote in message

Gee I don’t know. Those testimonials sure sounded good. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter that the company has no contact details.

What about an offer I read about USED PS without Manuals for a cheap price. How am I to know what is propper? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I just don’t have the bucks to lay down on things I have wanted like an old version of MS office. I would be happy with some handmedown SW that isn’t a bogus pirate deal. I don’t even think I have the time or real skills it takes to really appreciate PS or other over my head applications but wouldn’t mind spending some time to try things out. More than a trial period as sometime I work 50 to 60 HRs a week to help pay for a war or something.

From what you just said, don’t bother with PS. Get yourself a legal, licensed copy of Photoshop Elements 2.0. Gives you about 80% of the power of PS for about 10% of the price. And it’s much easier to use.

—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

"Marc Pawliger" wrote in message

In article <hnjOb.75253$>, Proctor
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

It is not legit. A legitimate resold version of Photoshop offers the software on an original manufacturer CD, any manuals that came with the software, the box, and a transfer of license form so you now become the registered owner.

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

–marc

OK, thanks. It makes sence. If it sounds too good to be too good……

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:55:30 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

"James Loudon" wrote in message

Gee I don’t know. Those testimonials sure sounded good. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter that the company has no contact details.

What about an offer I read about USED PS without Manuals for a cheap

price.

How am I to know what is propper? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I just

don’t

have the bucks to lay down on things I have wanted like an old version

of

MS office. I would be happy with some handmedown SW that isn’t a bogus pirate deal. I don’t even think I have the time or real skills it takes

to

really appreciate PS or other over my head applications but wouldn’t mind spending some time to try things out. More than a trial period as

sometime I

work 50 to 60 HRs a week to help pay for a war or something.

From what you just said, don’t bother with PS. Get yourself a legal, licensed copy of Photoshop Elements 2.0. Gives you about 80% of the power of PS for about 10% of the price. And it’s much easier to use.

I have PS 5.0 LE that came bundled with something I bought. I guess it was a Maxtor hard drive but I have never really used it. I use Adobe PhotoDeluxe for what little editing and resizing I do. I use Irfan View for batch renaming for Thumbnials and such. I have PaintShop Pro 4.0 from a few years ago but never use IT. Do you know what PS 5.0 LE is lacking from the full version? I don’t suppose there is any upgrade value to it is there?

"Marc Pawliger" wrote in message

In article <hnjOb.75253$>, Proctor
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

It is not legit. A legitimate resold version of Photoshop offers the software on an original manufacturer CD, any manuals that came with the software, the box, and a transfer of license form so you now become the registered owner.

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

–marc

Actually I saw PS without manuels on link from someones site on this group but don’t remember when or whom so I sort of got the impression that it might have been an older verion that may have been lagit. I have plenty of old SW I would get rid of that I no longer use without even wanting to keep a copy so I figured there would not be anything wrong with dumping some of that stuff without breaking any rules. I am just an old timer that has a hard time keeping up with the understanding of the new high tech laws of the land that sometimes seem to defy logic to my anolog mind. Please forgive me if I come one a bit bumb.

"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/reportform.html

Stephan

Do you know what PS 5.0 LE is lacking from the full

version? I don’t suppose there is any upgrade value to it is there?

Proctor, I think you will find that there is no upgrade path from that version. AFAIK the bits that are missing from LE are actions (for batch processing etc) and some blend modes. I agree with Hecate, get Elements. James Loudon

"Stephan" wrote in message

"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/reportform.html

Stephan

What ISP means to me:)

The REAL pirates are the ISPs that don’t stop this stuff and Porn from being sent to me and my little girl at my mailbox in the first place. These are the Industrial Strength Phonies that make the laws that run this Internet Scam Plan trying to Intimadate and Scare People into thinking the feds will come a knocking if my little girl so much as dare to ingage in downlaoding what is out there already. Stop the source of the drug not the user I always say. You will find the bigboys at the top are the same people in every instance. The ones with ALL the money trying to take whats left of a little girls allowence. Getting people to turn in other people reminds me of another time not so distant….. ISP ISP ISP 🙂

"Proctor" wrote in message

What ISP means to me:)

The REAL pirates are the ISPs that don’t stop this stuff and Porn from being sent to me and my little girl at my mailbox in the first place.

These

are the Industrial Strength Phonies that make the laws that run this Internet Scam Plan trying to Intimadate and Scare People into thinking the feds will come a knocking if my little girl so much as dare to ingage in downlaoding what is out there already. Stop the source of the drug not the user I always say. You will find the bigboys at the top are the same

people

in every instance. The ones with ALL the money trying to take whats left

of

a little girls allowence. Getting people to turn in other people reminds

me

of another time not so distant….. ISP ISP ISP 🙂

What?
Maybe it is the computer manufacturers also, without computers this would not be possible.
If I was to use my phone to harass you night and day, would the phone company be held responsible?
ISPs should never be held responsible for what people do with their connections. Do you want to have to submit your site to an ISP and receive an approval before you can publish it? This would sound a lot like the former Soviets. If you want to be controlled, go live in China! Besides nobody forces you or your daughter to be online. (I bet you let her watch TV, ever wonder why she wants the toys she want?)

What is wrong with reporting piracy? I can’t stand these guys selling pirated copies and on top of it making it look legit.
There is a difference between using a friend’s copy to play around and running a profitable business using or even selling pirated software

Stephan

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is…
"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

Give him a ring 🙂 Remus Dumitrescu

Address: Timisoara
Phone: +40-21-9298756

"sasquatch" wrote in message

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is…
"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

"Proctor" wrote in message

What about an offer I read about USED PS without Manuals for a cheap

price.

How am I to know what is propper? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I just

don’t

have the bucks to lay down on things I have wanted like an old version of MS office. I would be happy with some handmedown SW that isn’t a bogus pirate deal. I don’t even think I have the time or real skills it takes to really appreciate PS or other over my head applications but wouldn’t mind spending some time to try things out. More than a trial period as sometime

I

work 50 to 60 HRs a week to help pay for a war or something.
Proctor

Keep in mind, that unlike cars and most other products, software only really devalues over time, and product upgrades. So there isn’t much of a market for *used* software, as it’s still technically 100% viable, as opposed to say… a used hanky, which I wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole… :]

Marc Pawliger wrote in
news:170120041903551127%:

In article <hnjOb.75253$>, Proctor
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam
or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

It is not legit. A legitimate resold version of Photoshop offers the software on an original manufacturer CD, any manuals that came with the software, the box, and a transfer of license form so you now become the registered owner.

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

Actually, they say it’s OEM software – in which case it would be reasonable not to have the manual, just the CD and key (so long as it’s not a duplicate key). OTOH, I’ve never seen any PC’s come bundled with PS so who they’re OEM’d from is a mystery.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:41:06 -0600, Anonymoose <Ihatespam> wrote:

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

The above resolves to Ripe which is where most of the internet scams originate.

Colyn Goodson

http://home.swbell.net/colyng
http://www.colyngoodson.com
http://www.colyngoodson.com/manuals.html

Fungusamungus wrote:

Keep in mind, that unlike cars and most other products, software only really devalues over time, and product upgrades. So there isn’t much of a market for *used* software, as it’s still technically 100% viable, as opposed to say… a used hanky, which I wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole… :]

As always there are exceptions.

I saw a copy of DOS 1.0 that went for over $200 on eBay. I have sold many copies of Dos 3.3 for about $10. All used.

JP

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:41:06 -0600, Anonymoose <Ihatespam> wrote:

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

Actually, they say it’s OEM software – in which case it would be reasonable not to have the manual, just the CD and key (so long as it’s not a duplicate key). OTOH, I’ve never seen any PC’s come bundled with PS so who they’re OEM’d from is a mystery.

….and, in fact, there is no such thing as an OEM version.

—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:16:29 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

It is just a sneaky way for you to get traffic to your little affiliate site…

No regards,
Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

Jurgen Nijhuis wrote in
news::

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:16:29 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a scam
or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

It is just a sneaky way for you to get traffic to your little affiliate site…

No regards,
Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

Actually I think he was asking an honest question, I’ve also gotten the spam he’s referring to…a couple of times.

That scam-like site aside, what about selling person-to-person? I have a copy of Corel 8 that I was thinking of putting up on Ebay to see if anyone was interested. It’s 3 original CDs with original product key and registration card, I’ve never registered it, so I assume anyone who bought it could register it. I don’t have the manuals or original box or anything like that…just the discs (and the jewel case inserts). Can I do this on a site as public as Ebay, legally?

And yes, I came by the software legally, meaning I paid for it. I just never bothered to register it, and I don’t use it anymore. Seems like I should be able to sell it same as I would sell any other item I paid for and subsequently owned.

Though I remember a few years back when the record companies were trying to crack down on used music CD/tape/etc. sales, using the logic that the artists weren’t getting any of the resale money (this was before Napster diverted their attention, to the relief of pawn shops everywhere).

Michael

They are just selling CDs with the software on it, CDs they do not have the right to sell.

Actually, they say it’s OEM software – in which case it would be

reasonable

not to have the manual, just the CD and key (so long as it’s not a duplicate key). OTOH, I’ve never seen any PC’s come bundled with PS so

who

they’re OEM’d from is a mystery.

"Stephan" wrote in message

"Proctor" wrote in message

What ISP means to me:)

The REAL pirates are the ISPs that don’t stop this stuff and Porn from being sent to me and my little girl at my mailbox in the first place.

These

are the Industrial Strength Phonies that make the laws that run this Internet Scam Plan trying to Intimadate and Scare People into thinking

the

feds will come a knocking if my little girl so much as dare to ingage in downlaoding what is out there already. Stop the source of the drug not

the

user I always say. You will find the bigboys at the top are the same

people

in every instance. The ones with ALL the money trying to take whats left

of

a little girls allowence. Getting people to turn in other people reminds

me

of another time not so distant….. ISP ISP ISP 🙂

What?
Maybe it is the computer manufacturers also, without computers this would not be possible.
If I was to use my phone to harass you night and day, would the phone company be held responsible?
ISPs should never be held responsible for what people do with their connections. Do you want to have to submit your site to an ISP and receive an approval before you can publish it? This would sound a lot like the former Soviets. If you want to be controlled, go live in China! Besides nobody forces you or your daughter to be online. (I bet you let her watch TV, ever wonder why she wants the toys she want?)
What is wrong with reporting piracy? I can’t stand these guys selling pirated copies and on top of it making it look legit.
There is a difference between using a friend’s copy to play around and running a profitable business using or even selling pirated software
Stephan

Well, I see now that the record industries are using the ISP to get the names and address of those that download illegal music then dragging them into court. Phones are also tapped and cell phones only make it easier to put the clamps on the little guy like my kids for example. They are already brainwashed and think is truely a hard time crime to STEAL what is availble on the internet and ultimatelly will be blocked. Everyone wants to claim they are inocent while the feds end up telling us who the real criminals are. I don’t download music myself I am not a young person and can remember the old days when I and all my freinds used to cory music a off the radio so I guess I am a criminal from way back and must be punished. I just find it RAW that my grandchildren has to open email and get clapped with porn but are told if they download their favorite song they are worse than for it. One is OK while the other is punishable. Hard to teach values that way.

Go Live in CHINA? You probably are one of those that if one speaks his mind about the evil things that our govenment is doing behind our backs to people in ,say IRAQ, you would say " If you like it there why don’t you go live there" I say clean things up hear at home and on the internet before we try to make criminals out of the lesser people.

The ISP CAN block PORN and anything they want but do not do so. If you eguate this with the phone than you are using an obsolete metaphore.

"sasquatch" wrote in message

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is…
"Proctor" wrote in message

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

I sent it to some people that would jump on it to save a buck so I will find out if they get ripped off. I have no probelm with selling older things I have foolisly bought and never used to the guy next door who just got a computer, I will never use it again.

"Jurgen Nijhuis" wrote in message

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:16:29 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

It is just a sneaky way for you to get traffic to your little affiliate site…

No regards,
Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

If you think it is me than I suppose I can laugh and not be surprised. I am not surprised by much I see posted anymore. I guess it is pretty safe to assume every possibility and cast blame every where you look. All you have to do it a googe on me and find my true likes and displikes and what I am about and then decide is I am an exteremist of a terrorist or someone you would enjoy to hate.

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:55:30 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

"James Loudon" wrote in message

Gee I don’t know. Those testimonials sure sounded good. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter that the company has no contact details.

What about an offer I read about USED PS without Manuals for a cheap

price.

How am I to know what is propper? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I just

don’t

have the bucks to lay down on things I have wanted like an old version

of

MS office. I would be happy with some handmedown SW that isn’t a bogus pirate deal. I don’t even think I have the time or real skills it takes

to

really appreciate PS or other over my head applications but wouldn’t mind spending some time to try things out. More than a trial period as

sometime I

work 50 to 60 HRs a week to help pay for a war or something.

From what you just said, don’t bother with PS. Get yourself a legal, licensed copy of Photoshop Elements 2.0. Gives you about 80% of the power of PS for about 10% of the price. And it’s much easier to use.

Thanks. I will probably do that if I get past the need for PS 5.0 LE. I mainly use Photo Deluxe for all that I do. Crop-enchace-add some simple text- to some photos I post on my humble site. I will be the first to admit PS is probably over my head as I paid $50.00 for a large book for PS 5.0 and find it a bit much.

"M. Gagarin" wrote in
news::

That scam-like site aside, what about selling person-to-person? I have a copy of Corel 8 that I was thinking of putting up on Ebay to see if anyone was interested. It’s 3 original CDs with original product key and registration card, I’ve never registered it, so I assume anyone who bought it could register it. I don’t have the manuals or original box or anything like that…just the discs (and the jewel case inserts). Can I do this on a site as public as Ebay, legally?

Y, it’s done all the time.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:38:41 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

"Jurgen Nijhuis" wrote in message

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:16:29 GMT, "Proctor"
wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is this a legal proposal or a

scam

or downright thievery?

http://81.180.103.45/cdc/?keihqq

Proctor

It is just a sneaky way for you to get traffic to your little affiliate site…

No regards,
Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

If you think it is me than I suppose I can laugh and not be surprised. I am not surprised by much I see posted anymore. I guess it is pretty safe to assume every possibility and cast blame every where you look. All you have to do it a googe on me and find my true likes and displikes and what I am about and then decide is I am an exteremist of a terrorist or someone you would enjoy to hate.

I am sorry, but I cannot make much sense of this…

The point is, it’s a common trick to lure people to affiliate sites by posing as someone asking a genuine question like "Can this be true?". Most of the times the link posted is clearly an aff link. If you are sincere you would just post the basic link instead of the aff link. Unless you are a newbie of course…

Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

I am sorry, but I cannot make much sense of this…

The point is, it’s a common trick to lure people to affiliate sites by posing as someone asking a genuine question like "Can this be true?". Most of the times the link posted is clearly an aff link. If you are sincere you would just post the basic link instead of the aff link. Unless you are a newbie of course…

Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

I guess the point I am trying to make is that no matter WHAT you say,ask,or reply to is seems there is ALWAYS someone around to either call you a TROLL, correct your spelling, accuse you of spamming or just plane FLAME you. It seems that everyone is checking up on each other to make sure they are on the level along with reporting each other to some "Abuse.com’ place more often that just giving someone the benifit of the doubt and making sure everyone pays at least as much as they did for whatever they buy. Things are such that one has to post a little smiley face because not a sole has a smidgen of a sence of humor or any common sence anymore. I think half the people should just go out and buy an aquarium and an etch-a-sketch and learn how to chill the old fashoned way ;{0)>

Regards y’all, hea’ now?

Proctor

"Proctor" wrote in message

I am sorry, but I cannot make much sense of this…

The point is, it’s a common trick to lure people to affiliate sites by posing as someone asking a genuine question like "Can this be true?". Most of the times the link posted is clearly an aff link. If you are sincere you would just post the basic link instead of the aff link. Unless you are a newbie of course…

Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

I guess the point I am trying to make is that no matter WHAT you

say,ask,or

reply to is seems there is ALWAYS someone around to either call you a

TROLL,

correct your spelling, accuse you of spamming or just plane FLAME you. It seems that everyone is checking up on each other to make sure they are on the level along with reporting each other to some "Abuse.com’ place more often that just giving someone the benifit of the doubt and making sure everyone pays at least as much as they did for whatever they buy. Things

are

such that one has to post a little smiley face because not a sole has a smidgen of a sence of humor or any common sence anymore. I think half the people should just go out and buy an aquarium and an etch-a-sketch and

learn

how to chill the old fashoned way ;{0)>

Regards y’all, hea’ now?

Good idea, get an aquarium.
Usenet is way to rough for you.

Stephan

"Stephan" wrote in message

"Proctor" wrote in message

I am sorry, but I cannot make much sense of this…

The point is, it’s a common trick to lure people to affiliate sites by posing as someone asking a genuine question like "Can this be true?". Most of the times the link posted is clearly an aff link. If you are sincere you would just post the basic link instead of the aff link. Unless you are a newbie of course…

Jurgen Nijhuis
www.tiptoptemplates.com

I guess the point I am trying to make is that no matter WHAT you

say,ask,or

reply to is seems there is ALWAYS someone around to either call you a

TROLL,

correct your spelling, accuse you of spamming or just plane FLAME you.

It

seems that everyone is checking up on each other to make sure they are

on

the level along with reporting each other to some "Abuse.com’ place more often that just giving someone the benifit of the doubt and making sure everyone pays at least as much as they did for whatever they buy. Things

are

such that one has to post a little smiley face because not a sole has a smidgen of a sence of humor or any common sence anymore. I think half

the

people should just go out and buy an aquarium and an etch-a-sketch and

learn

how to chill the old fashoned way ;{0)>

Regards y’all, hea’ now?

Good idea, get an aquarium.
Usenet is way to rough for you.

Stephan

You just make my point. I still have my sence of humor. Just pointing out what I see in posts like yours.

"> > > I guess the point I am trying to make is that no matter WHAT you

say,ask,or

reply to is seems there is ALWAYS someone around to either call you a

TROLL,

correct your spelling, accuse you of spamming or just plane FLAME you.

It

seems that everyone is checking up on each other to make sure they are

on

the level along with reporting each other to some "Abuse.com’ place

more

often that just giving someone the benifit of the doubt and making

sure

everyone pays at least as much as they did for whatever they buy.

Things

are

such that one has to post a little smiley face because not a sole has

a

smidgen of a sence of humor or any common sence anymore. I think half

the

people should just go out and buy an aquarium and an etch-a-sketch and

learn

how to chill the old fashoned way ;{0)>

Regards y’all, hea’ now?

Good idea, get an aquarium.
Usenet is way to rough for you.

Stephan

You just make my point. I still have my sence of humor. Just pointing out what I see in posts like yours.

And the point of pointing out is?

Stephan