Printing Problems with CS

LLutton wrote:

When I upgraded from PS v7 to CS, my prints were too dark when printed from Photoshop. If I print the same image in PS Elements, the print is perfect. Since I didn’t notice that prints from another program were okay right away, I bought Colorvisions ColorPlus with the spyder to calibrate my monitor and later, MonacoEZcolor to calibrate my printer, my prints are pretty good.
My question is what happened when I upgraded to CS to make my prints too dark? I just bought a new printer, the Epson Photo R320, and using the profiles that came with it, my prints were too light. I fixed this by making my own profiles for the printer and my paper. It wasn’t until then I noticed if I print from anything but CS the prints come out great without using any profiles. Anyone else have this happen?
Lynn

Pardon my frankness but if you don’t know how to manage colour through PS, turn off colour management from the program or use a simpler version like ‘Elements’.

All the other programs you speak of use the printer and it’s driver to manage colour. Photoshop (because it’s a Professional application) by default manages it’s own colour output.

The presumption is that you also are a professional and know how to manage colour. It falls a little flat when well heeled novices (or pirates) get hold of the program and think just because they have it, they can make Photoshop art as well as a graphic artist.

I’m sure of course, someone like yourself having upgraded from an earlier version just forgot that CS does not actually "upgrade" version 7 but installs itself as a new program and need to be assigned the same colour profiles and the printer’s ICC as version 7 did.

Just open to old version and mimic the settings in CS and you should be back in production in no time!

Doug

Just open to old version and mimic the >settings in CS and yo?u should

be

back in production in no time!

I set up the same color management in CS that I had in 7. I can now make a good print in Photoshop using the printer profiles I made using MonacoEZcolor. My printing problems began when I upgraded to CS and that caused me to buy MonacoEZcolor to overcome the change in my prints.

Kayaker wrote:

Just open to old version and mimic the >settings in CS and yo?u should

be

back in production in no time!

I set up the same color management in CS that I had in 7. I can now make a good print in Photoshop using the printer profiles I made using MonacoEZcolor. My printing problems began when I upgraded to CS and that caused me to buy MonacoEZcolor to overcome the change in my prints.

Another less elegant way for a quick and dirty solution is to choose "print with preview". Expand the window to it’s fullest by ticking "show more options" and in the colour print space, select printer colour management.

I have a Minolta colour laser which requires a pink tinge to what I feed it to match my ‘system colour’. I also have a HP photo plotter which has excellent colour calibration built in for all the papers I use. So I choose different selections for each printer and get very nice output.

Now if I could just make the Epson r310 and the Picture Mate work in this system too, I’d be one happy camper. I guess you can’t do everything at the same time and not need to compromise, eh?

Doug

Just open to old version and mimic the >settings in CS and yo?u should

be back in production in no time!

I set up the same color management in CS that I had in 7. I can now make a good print in Photoshop using the printer profiles I made using MonacoEZcolor. My printing problems began when I upgraded to CS and that caused me to buy MonacoEZcolor to overcome the change in my prints.

Another less elegant way for a quick and dirty solution is to choose "print with preview". Expand the window to it’s fullest by ticking "show more options" and in the colour print space, select printer colour management.

1) I do have the same color settings in CS as I had in 7.
2) I do use Print with Preview. I tried every combination of settings I could
think of. The prints all came out at least 2 stops darker (2 stops is the equivalent to camera settings). I got around this by using MonacoEZcolor tp profile the print paper.

I really think my problem began when I upgraded to CS. Before, I had no problems matching the print to what I saw on the monitor, at least as close as you could expect. I know it sounds like my color settings must be different, but I know they’re not and I doubt the prints could be that far off with any of the changes to the color settings. Thanks for your input. Lynn

LLutton wrote:

I really think my problem began when I upgraded to CS. Before, I had no problems matching the print to what I saw on the monitor, at least as close as you could expect. I know it sounds like my color settings must be different, but I know they’re not and I doubt the prints could be that far off with any of the changes to the color settings. Thanks for your input.

Is it possible that your proofing settings didn’t get set up the exact same way, and that’s why the luminance was so far off? Happened to me….

—
John McWilliams

LLutton wrote:

I really think my problem began when I upgraded to CS. Before, I had no problems matching the print to what I saw on the monitor, at least as close

as

you could expect. I know it sounds like my color settings must be

different,

but I know they’re not and I doubt the prints could be that far off with

any of

the changes to the color settings.

Is it possible that your proofing settings didn’t get set up the exact same way, and that’s why the luminance was so far off? Happened to me…. From: John McWilliams

I set my proof settings before doing the Print With Preview each time so I know that wasn’t my problem. Thanks for the suggestion.
Lynn

LLutton wrote:

Is it possible that your proofing settings didn’t get set up the exact same way, and that’s why the luminance was so far off? Happened to me…. From: John McWilliams

I set my proof settings before doing the Print With Preview each time so I know that wasn’t my problem. Thanks for the suggestion.
Lynn

Black Point compensation is about 2 stops of density. Have you though about turning it off?

—
EOS my GOD,
Give me ISO for I have not yet seen the light.
Take away my grain, give me colour and you
shall have given me the edge!

Black Point compensation is about 2 stops of density. Have you though about turning it off?

That’s a thought. I’ll try it and report back.
Lynn

When I upgraded from PS v7 to CS, my prints were too dark when

printed from

Photoshop. If I print the same image in PS Elements, the print is

perfect.

Since I didn’t notice that prints from another program were okay

right away, I

bought Colorvisions ColorPlus with the spyder to calibrate my monitor

and

later, MonacoEZcolor to calibrate my printer, my prints are pretty

good.

My question is what happened when I upgraded to CS to make my prints

too >>dark?

I just bought a new printer, the Epson Photo R320, and using the

profiles that

came with it, my prints were too light. I fixed this by making my own

profiles

for the printer and my paper. It wasn’t until then I noticed if I

print from

anything but CS the prints come out great without using any profiles.

Anyone

else have this happen?
Lynn

Black Point compensation is about 2 stops of density. Have you though about turning it off?

I just tried it both ways, with black point on, and off. I would describe the difference as subtle with each being about 1 to 1 1/2 stops too dark. I used the profiles provided with the printer. I have the Document Source Space as Adobe RGB, Profile is SPR320 Premium Glossy, which is the printer profile supplied by Epson for it’s r320 printer and the Premium Glossy paper. In the printer dialog box, I have the Color Adjustments turned off.
The profiles I made using MonacoEZcolor work really good so I guess I’m set. I was just curious why the change with CS. I even searched Adobes web site and it’s forums to no avail. Thank you very much. Lynn