Photoshop CS: Maximum page width for printing

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Chris_Dainton
Jan 10, 2004
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Photshop CS
Epson 2100
Paper Roll 329mm x 10m

I want to print a 360 panaorama taken from the top of Castleton Tower in Utah.

The image is 9199 pixels by 792 pixels (scanned from film images taken on mju compact)

Through CS, I can set up the Epson 2100 with a custom page size on Roll Print option to 329mm high by 3200mm wide. No problem so far.

However, in CS in print preview the maxmum width is only 880mm.

This surely can’t be the maximum page size that CS can handle? What am I doing wrong??

This is my first try at Wide printing and I don’t want to waste paper!

Cheers Chris
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 10, 2004
You need to make your IMAGE itself the print dimensions you want. Reading your post, not sure you have done that?
What is your actual image in Image Size (physical dimensions and ppi)?

Mac
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 11, 2004
The image is 9199 pixels by 792 pixels. This is fixed.

Document size is arbitary based on a selected dpi, as "resample box" in Image Size dialog box is unchecked. This means that image size and dpi are not interdependant.

Espon Printer set up for wide printing (e.g. Custom Page Size of 329mm high 3000mm wide), no problem as Espon has can take a paper roll.

In Photoshop CS "Print with Preview" dialog box, the maximum width is (under "Scale to Fit) is 88.801 cm and not 300cm, which is the page size width set in Page Setup and Printer dialog boxes.

So why isn’t the maxmium page width in Photoshop CS Print Preveiew the same as the page width in the Espon printer setup.

What am I missing?

Cheers

Chris
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Rene_Walling
Jan 11, 2004
The image is 9199 pixels by 792 pixels.

Chris,

I think Mac was referring to the image size in inches or millimeters, not in pixels.
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 11, 2004
The real image size is in pixels!

The "print with preview" should show the page size of the paper in the printer as designated through the printer set up and is independant of image "size" in mm as set up via the dpi setting in "Image Size" dialog box.

The image "size" in mm makes no differnce to the page size in "print with preview" whether I set it the image size to 10mm or 200mm wide (the pixel size of 9199 pixels by 792 pixels remains the same). The printer paper is set to 329mm high by 3000mm wide, yet the "print preview" dialog box tells me the paper size is only 880mm wide.

This posting has nothing to do with image size – its about how Photoshop is interpretating the paper size as set up on the Epson 2100 dialog box.

Cheers

Chris
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 11, 2004
This means that image size and dpi are not interdependant.

Well, although this doesn’t address your main point, the above statement isn’t accurate. Image size and dpi (actually, ppi) *are* exactly interdependant. With resample off, as you mention, ppi increases as image size decreases, ppi decreases as image size increases.

So why isn’t the maxmium page width in Photoshop CS Print Preveiew the same as the page width in the Espon printer setup.

That’s the real question. Sounds as if the Epson printer driver is not properly talking to Photoshop (or Photoshop is not properly listening to the Epson driver).

Mac
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 11, 2004
Hi Mac

Sorry mate you are just plain confused.

Read what I said: Pixel size is FIXED with resample off, this means that DPI (or ppi, whatever) and PRINT SIZE are interpendant. Changing dpi/ppi will not change image pixel size. If you change image size, then this will of course alter ppi/image-size. But that’s not what I was going on about.

After all, the pixel size of the image is the thing to worry about, dpi/print-size are just arbitarty settings altered to suit the end use of the image.

Anyway, not interested in this minor discussion, I just want to print my wide photo!!

So any owners of Epson 2100/2200 out there with any work-arounds?

Cheers and best wishes

Chris
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 11, 2004
… this means that DPI (or ppi, whatever) and PRINT SIZE are interpendant.

Exactly right. It’s just the way you originally said it.

Image ppi only has meaning if contrained for output to a physical media, thus "image ppi/print ppi" are synonymous terms.

As you say, image "size" in pixels, is of course constant, unless resampled.

Good luck with the printer glitch. Guess you’re using the latest Epson driver?

Mac
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 12, 2004
UPDATE

The maxium paper roll length the Epson 2100 can print is c.3.2m (at c.A4 width)

However, the maximum page size that Photoshop CS can deal with is c.2.3m long.

Interesting stuff.

Good news as the image I want to print is c. 1.9m wide (lanscape format)

Hope this is of use to CS and Epson 2100 owners.

Cheers

Chris
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 12, 2004
However, the maximum page size that Photoshop CS can deal with is c.2.3m long.

How did you find that out?

Mac
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 13, 2004
As you probably know, there are two ways (possibly more!) to get at the printer settings on the Epson 2100 via PS-CS. The first is via Print-With-Preview and the second via Page-Setup. The response of PS_CS varies depending which way you choose.

From the the play around I done with it, if you access the Espon setup via Print-With Preview and set a custom page height on the Epson 2100 of between c. 2.3m to c.3.2m, then after pressing a few OKs a Error dialog box will come up in PS-CS (press OK, it won’t crash) and the page-size in Print-with-Preview will be much less than your desired height (e.g. 88cm instead of 3.2m).

If you access the Espon setup via Page-Setup and then go to Print-With Preveiw the page size in Print Preview will again be much less than your desired height (e.g. 88cm instead of 3.2m), but you won’t get an error message (this is what confused me).

I found the maxium page height in PS-CS by trial and error by changing custom page-size in Epson setup untill I didn’t get an error (this was after a call to Adobe Technical Support – it seems like this was a problem that they hadn’t dealt with alot? – they couldn’t even tell me what was the Maxium Page Height supported by PS-CS)

Setting landscape or potrait formats in ether PS-CS or the Espon Setup seems to make no difference to the problem.

So it looks like that really really wide shots longer than 2.4m are out!! Luckily I don’t have many!

Cheers

Chris
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 13, 2004
they couldn’t even tell me what was the Maxium Page Height supported by PS-CS)

Well, there never has BEEN a maximum height or width in Photoshop. You’re only limited by the 30,000 pixel thing (or the 2GB file size limit).

I’m not running CS, but I still suspect something unique to the interaction between that specific Epson driver and Photoshop, although couldn’t say whose "fault" it is.

You by any chance have an opportunity to try your printer driver on somebody’s copy of PS 7? (you could set it to print to file for testing, maybe).

Mac
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Chris_Amor
Jan 13, 2004
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:13:43 -0800,
wrote:

You by any chance have an opportunity to try your printer driver on somebody’s copy of PS 7? (you could set it to print to file for testing, maybe).

I did a few quick experiments. I have PS7 and an Epson 1290.

I created a dummy document 1.9m wide. The maximum height the driver can take id 3276.7mm but again 2311.9mm is the maximum that can be entered before you get an error when exiting from the Page Setup Dialog. This was with the printer set to 360dpi.

When I changed the driver to 720dpi the maximum height was halved. 3276.7*360/25.4=32765.6 pixels.

It looks as if the maximum number of pixels ps can print is 32767 or 2^15 -1.

Chris Amor
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Mac_McDougald
Jan 13, 2004
It looks as if the maximum number of pixels ps can print is 32767 or 2^15 -1.

Wait a min … if I follow your procedure, those are not *Photoshop*, ie, *image* pixels. PS does indeed have a 30,000 or so pixel limit in either dimension. But you’re talking about DPI generated by the printer, eh? NOT image PIXELS. Not pixels at all, actually, but printer DotsPerInch (the equivalent of that, as inkjets no longer actually DO dots per inch in the conventional sense. As you know, totally different creatures, image PPI and printer DPI.

Of course, there is no problem printing MUCH higher total pixel counts than what you state from PS to any printer. For example, I just picked a random image, which is 2154 x 2817. This image contains over 6 Million pixels, and of course is not even a particularly high rez image.

The obvious test: get your image into another program and see what’s up. Corel PhotoPaint, probably even the free Irfanview, should tell you if you’re facing a Photoshop or an Epson problem.

Mac
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Chris_Dainton
Jan 13, 2004
UPDATE ON THE UPDATE

Sorry to report there is still a problem.

Been dealing with UK Epson Technical support (who so far have been very good) and although they haven’t yet resolved it, they think it could be a newly identified problem with PS-CS, but they would say that!!(but at least they replicated the issue on their PCs). They are getting back to me. Well at least I am not going mad.

I’ll keep you posted.

I’ll get this thing printed if its the last thing I do !

Cheers

Chris
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Chris_Amor
Jan 14, 2004
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:28 -0800,
wrote:

It looks as if the maximum number of pixels ps can print is 32767 or 2^15 -1.
I should have said maximum height or width of 32767 printer pixels.

Wait a min … if I follow your procedure, those are not *Photoshop*, ie, *image* pixels. PS does indeed have a 30,000 or so pixel limit in either dimension. But you’re talking about DPI generated by the printer, eh? NOT image PIXELS. Not pixels at all, actually, but printer DotsPerInch (the equivalent of that, as inkjets no longer actually DO dots per inch in the conventional sense. As you know, totally different creatures, image PPI and printer DPI.
Yes, very strange. And you made me think what would the max print size be at a setting of 1440. In fact it would appear that the print driver tells PS 360dpi for a 360dpi setting and 720dpi for all higher settings.

I was also making the print driver setting changes from the "print with preview" dialog. If you set the large page size via File>Page Setup it is accepted without an error. However if you then try to do File>print with preview, PS ignores the menu command – nothing happens. I think the problem is to do with the print preview dialog maths that occurs on the data returned from the print driver.

Chris Amor
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Chris_Dainton
Feb 4, 2004
Epson have given me an answer, but I don’t like it.

It seems that 44 inches is the widest that the 2100 XP driver will actually print (on semi-gloss paper at least).

This is very dissapointing as the printer is sold with a paper roll device (which raises expectations) and the printer custom page size gives page widths in excess of 100" (which confirms those expectations!!) Although I don’t have that many wide photo-merged shots, I did buy the printer with a few images in mind. 🙁

Any ideas on who to send an email to at Epson?

Cheers

Chris
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Lucy_Hilly
Feb 5, 2004
Hi,

Did you already thought about tiling your image with applications like CorelDraw or Illustrator? The Epson driver supports the mode ROLL PAPER – BANNER. If you have an application like Illustrator or Corel Draw you can tile your image in smaller parts and the printer will print in the banner mode all together without a gap. Maybe you should have a look at the Epson America website and the Stylus Pro 7500 Support Bulletin (Maximum printable area). I know these printers are much larger than the 2100/2200, but in this document you will find a desrciption of the tiling procedure.

<http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/pro75_/pro75_ps.pdf>

Good luck!
Lucy

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