wedding photos

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background?

Probably, but it depends on how bad they are, and the quality of the images otherwise (focus, etc.)

If so,

could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Some of us do this stuff for a living…. don’t know what your day job is, but could you teach us to do whatever it is you do at a professional level in a few minutes in a newsgroup? (Not being snide, just honest. This is not a cookie cutter process…it is a highly intuitive sort of thing that relies on
experience and a high level of skill with a specialized set of tools. )

These are pictures of one of the most important moments in your life. You don’t get a "do over" on these….

Pick 2 or three that are really important to you and spend the refund money on professional editing, then go ahead and try to tackle the rest yourself. Work slowly, pay attention to all the details, and when you are done take a disk to a professional printing service

When you want to begin
Never work on the original, make a copy
Don’t save images as JPG’s

Buy a copy of Katrin Eismann’s
Photoshop Restoration & Retouching, 2nd edition.
and Adobe Photoshop 7.0 for Photographers:
A Professional Image Editor’s Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Macintosh & PC By Martin Evening

Read them cover to cover. Pick one image and try to use
what you learned. Compare your result to the professional retouch. Read the books again. Start over and do the repair again. Make notes as you work. What did you do? What settings
did you use?

Now try applying those settings to each of the new photos

adrian kinzy wrote:

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The photographer has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo cd of the entire wedding photos. My question is:
Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Sure – dup the image to a new layer, and set the mode to screen. That will open shadow detail and brighten the image overall, without changing the colors much. Repeat again if necessary.

There’s quite a bit more that can be done, but this should get you started.

BTW – if you put one or two of your images up on a web page, some of us will see what we can do.
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

"adrian kinzy" wrote in
news:SgFTb.21637$:

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark,
especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The photographer has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo cd of the entire wedding photos. My question is:
Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

Photoshop CS has a Shadow/Highlights adjustment that does an excellent job for many types of dark photos.

—
– Doug Nelson

==============================
http://www.retouchpro.com — the #1 online community for retouchers and restorers

Thanks
"JP Kabala" wrote in message

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very

dark,

especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a

photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background?

Probably, but it depends on how bad they are, and the quality of the

images

otherwise (focus, etc.)

If so,

could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Some of us do this stuff for a living…. don’t know what your day job

is,

but could you teach us to do whatever it is you do at a professional level in a few minutes in a newsgroup? (Not being snide, just honest. This is

not

a cookie cutter process…it is a highly intuitive sort of thing that

relies

on
experience and a high level of skill with a specialized set of tools. )
These are pictures of one of the most important moments in your life. You don’t get a "do over" on these….

Pick 2 or three that are really important to you and spend the refund money on professional editing, then go ahead and try to tackle the rest yourself. Work slowly, pay attention to all the details, and when you are done take a disk to a professional printing service
When you want to begin
Never work on the original, make a copy
Don’t save images as JPG’s

Buy a copy of Katrin Eismann’s
Photoshop Restoration & Retouching, 2nd edition.
and Adobe Photoshop 7.0 for Photographers:
A Professional Image Editor’s Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Macintosh & PC By Martin Evening

Read them cover to cover. Pick one image and try to use
what you learned. Compare your result to the professional retouch. Read the books again. Start over and do the repair again. Make notes as you work. What did you do? What settings
did you use?

Now try applying those settings to each of the new photos

thanks for the advice. It was very helpful
"Mike Russell" wrote in message

adrian kinzy wrote:

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The photographer has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo cd of the entire wedding photos. My question is:
Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Sure – dup the image to a new layer, and set the mode to screen. That

will

open shadow detail and brighten the image overall, without changing the colors much. Repeat again if necessary.

There’s quite a bit more that can be done, but this should get you

started.

BTW – if you put one or two of your images up on a web page, some of us

will

see what we can do.
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

thanks for responding to my post.
"Doug Nelson" wrote in message

"adrian kinzy" wrote in
news:SgFTb.21637$:

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark,
especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The photographer has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo cd of the entire wedding photos. My question is:
Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

Photoshop CS has a Shadow/Highlights adjustment that does an excellent job for many types of dark photos.

—
– Doug Nelson

==============================
http://www.retouchpro.com — the #1 online community for retouchers and restorers

Where is you Geographic location?
I or one of my students might be able to help.
DD
————–
"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

in article QLTTb.41252$, Duncan Donald at
wrote on 2/3/04 12:45 PM:

Where is you Geographic location?
I or one of my students might be able to help.
DD

"Where is you…"?

I hope you don’t teach English.

I highly concur with JP Kabala with one exception. Save a copy of your work as a jpg at the highest setting as well as the psd file. The jpg is universal to all programs.

John Hart
Photographic Memory
www.photographic-memory.biz
"JP Kabala" wrote in message

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very

dark,

especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a

photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background?

Probably, but it depends on how bad they are, and the quality of the

images

otherwise (focus, etc.)

If so,

could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Some of us do this stuff for a living…. don’t know what your day job

is,

but could you teach us to do whatever it is you do at a professional level in a few minutes in a newsgroup? (Not being snide, just honest. This is

not

a cookie cutter process…it is a highly intuitive sort of thing that

relies

on
experience and a high level of skill with a specialized set of tools. )
These are pictures of one of the most important moments in your life. You don’t get a "do over" on these….

Pick 2 or three that are really important to you and spend the refund money on professional editing, then go ahead and try to tackle the rest yourself. Work slowly, pay attention to all the details, and when you are done take a disk to a professional printing service
When you want to begin
Never work on the original, make a copy
Don’t save images as JPG’s

Buy a copy of Katrin Eismann’s
Photoshop Restoration & Retouching, 2nd edition.
and Adobe Photoshop 7.0 for Photographers:
A Professional Image Editor’s Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Macintosh & PC By Martin Evening

Read them cover to cover. Pick one image and try to use
what you learned. Compare your result to the professional retouch. Read the books again. Start over and do the repair again. Make notes as you work. What did you do? What settings
did you use?

Now try applying those settings to each of the new photos

"TheGreatPretender" wrote in
message

in article QLTTb.41252$, Duncan Donald

at

wrote on 2/3/04 12:45 PM:

"Where is you…"?

I hope you don’t teach English.

You’re a wealth of information!!!! Thanks so much for all of your contributions to this group!!! Every one that I’ve seen has been just as warm and fuzzy and helpful as the one above!!! I’ve really learned so, so much!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!!

*****PLONK*****

in article , SC800B at
wrote on 2/3/04 3:21 PM:

"TheGreatPretender" wrote in
message

in article QLTTb.41252$, Duncan Donald

at

wrote on 2/3/04 12:45 PM:

"Where is you…"?

I hope you don’t teach English.

You’re a wealth of information!!!! Thanks so much for all of your contributions to this group!!! Every one that I’ve seen has been just as warm and fuzzy and helpful as the one above!!! I’ve really learned so, so much!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!!

*****PLONK*****

Who did you pay to give you want you wanted? How much did you pay them? What?!!! You didn’t pay anything!!!

Well, I guess you got what you paid for then, didn’t you.

hahahaha.

I lurk, I read, I learn. Never have asked a question. Mr. Pretender’s answers that I’ve read in the past few days, to one and all, have been nothing but nasty and belittling. I would expect that in an AOL chatroom. This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn (and many who graciously give their time and experience to teach). Replies like: "Then you didn’t search enough – DUH," "I hope you don’t teach English," etc. do nothing to benefit anyone. This is, monitarily and speech-speech-speech speaking, a free forum, as is ALL of Usenet. His reply to the gentleman who started this thread was rude and uncalled for; thus, they are of no value. That’s all. Clear it up for you? Prolly not –

Regards – SC

Who did you pay to give you want you wanted? How much did you pay them? What?!!! You didn’t pay anything!!!

Well, I guess you got what you paid for then, didn’t you.
hahahaha.

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:05:06 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background?

Probably, but it depends on how bad they are, and the quality of the images otherwise (focus, etc.)

If so,

could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

Some of us do this stuff for a living…. don’t know what your day job is, but could you teach us to do whatever it is you do at a professional level in a few minutes in a newsgroup? (Not being snide, just honest. This is not a cookie cutter process…it is a highly intuitive sort of thing that relies on
experience and a high level of skill with a specialized set of tools. )
These are pictures of one of the most important moments in your life. You don’t get a "do over" on these….

Pick 2 or three that are really important to you and spend the refund money on professional editing, then go ahead and try to tackle the rest yourself. Work slowly, pay attention to all the details, and when you are done take a disk to a professional printing service
When you want to begin
Never work on the original, make a copy
Don’t save images as JPG’s

Buy a copy of Katrin Eismann’s
Photoshop Restoration & Retouching, 2nd edition.
and Adobe Photoshop 7.0 for Photographers:
A Professional Image Editor’s Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Macintosh & PC By Martin Evening

Read them cover to cover. Pick one image and try to use
what you learned. Compare your result to the professional retouch. Read the books again. Start over and do the repair again. Make notes as you work. What did you do? What settings
did you use?

Now try applying those settings to each of the new photos

Agree with these comments. Seems a shame you should be paying anything at all for this photog’s learning experience. Maybe you’re lucky and he took these photos in RAW mode–if so, you have a couple stops of added adjustment. OTOH it kind of sounds like he didn’t use a digital camera at all, and is simply giving you some kind of digital copies of original prints, and if that’s the case you’re exposure adjustment latitude is about zero. So I’d say to try and get the original image files if they exist, then review the various methods referenced to correct underexposure and try them on copies of these files. If he shot these on film, you may have some luck in getting them re-scanned and adjusted if he will give you the negs.

see reply to yours on "Re: picture to cartoon" thread, mr perfectionist. I had a dog once, it was dummm……ugly too. But at least it knew it’s brain was a few nanometers smaller than that of a common gnat. It was happy, and had no need to pretend!

TheGreatPretender wrote:

"Where is you…"?

I hope you don’t teach English.

I live in new Orleans
"Duncan Donald" wrote in message

Where is you Geographic location?
I or one of my students might be able to help.
DD
————–
"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very

dark,

especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a

photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

in article , SC800B at
wrote on 2/3/04 4:15 PM:

This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn …

So what? That does not limit the types of messages that can be posted to this newsgroup.

Grow up.

This is not a classroom, this is a newsgroup that anyone can post to with any type of message, on any topic.

in article
wrote on 2/3/04 6:21 PM:

….

Did you write something of value? I must have missed it. Want to try again?

"cris Zalika" wrote in message >

So what? That does not limit the types of messages that can be

posted to

this newsgroup.

Grow up.

This is not a classroom, this is a newsgroup that anyone can post to

with

any type of message, on any topic.

Meaning that just ‘one’ newsgroup would suffice for all topics???!!!

As a well known, now aged tennis player would say: ‘You cannot be serious’!

Bill Newton

SC,

Please Block the pretender and a few of the other unhappy posters in this group and you will see the group in an entirely different light. As someone on the group put it so eloquently…."don’t feed the trolls and they will go away".

Suzi
"SC800B" wrote in message

I lurk, I read, I learn. Never have asked a question. Mr. Pretender’s answers that I’ve read in the past few days, to one and all, have been nothing but nasty and belittling. I would expect that in an AOL chatroom. This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn (and many who graciously give their time and experience to teach). Replies like: "Then you didn’t search enough – DUH," "I hope you don’t

teach

English," etc. do nothing to benefit anyone. This is, monitarily and speech-speech-speech speaking, a free forum, as is ALL of Usenet. His

reply

to the gentleman who started this thread was rude and uncalled for; thus, they are of no value. That’s all. Clear it up for you? Prolly not –
Regards – SC

Who did you pay to give you want you wanted? How much did you pay them? What?!!! You didn’t pay anything!!!

Well, I guess you got what you paid for then, didn’t you.
hahahaha.

In article <BC45F59A.D8030% says…

in article , SC800B at
wrote on 2/3/04 4:15 PM:

This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn …

So what? That does not limit the types of messages that can be posted to this newsgroup.

Grow up.

This is not a classroom, this is a newsgroup that anyone can post to with any type of message, on any topic.

And the rest of us can either ignore it or drop the sender into the bozo bin …but responding can often start a flame war which can easily destroy a newsgroup.

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

you could try desaturation you pictures (make them B&W) then adjust the brightness and contrast.
tell everyone they are arty B&W shots! if that fails pay a pro to sort them.

I think I would pay some one to clean them up a bit , that’s to bad that is why people who don’t have the experience should not do wedding’s like me I don’t some photography but I would never take on something that is a once in a life time shot with out the right experience

Belle

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The photographer has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo cd of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any

"SC800B" wrote in message

I lurk, I read, I learn. Never have asked a question. Mr. Pretender’s answers that I’ve read in the past few days, to one and all, have been nothing but nasty and belittling. I would expect that in an AOL chatroom. This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn (and many who graciously give their time and experience to teach). Replies like: "Then you didn’t search enough – DUH," "I hope you don’t

teach

English," etc. do nothing to benefit anyone. This is, monitarily and speech-speech-speech speaking, a free forum, as is ALL of Usenet. His

reply

to the gentleman who started this thread was rude and uncalled for; thus, they are of no value. That’s all. Clear it up for you? Prolly not –

Stop crying, if Usenet is to rough for you don’t use it!

Stephan

"cris Zalika" wrote in message

in article
wrote on 2/3/04 6:21 PM:

…

Did you write something of value? I must have missed it. Want to try again?

You on the other hand….

Stephan

"Martyn" wrote in message

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very

dark,

especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a

photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

you could try desaturation you pictures (make them B&W) then adjust the brightness and contrast.
tell everyone they are arty B&W shots! if that fails pay a pro to sort

them.

That would be a nice way to finish ruining them.
Desiderate and Brightness and Contrast are two tools you don’t use when you are serious about editing photos!

Stephan

That would be a nice way to finish ruining them.
Desiderate and Brightness and Contrast are two tools you don’t use when

you

are serious about editing photos!

Desaturate is so bad, even my spell checker doesn’t like it!

Stephan

in article bvqipn$gg1$, Bill Newton at
wrote on 2/4/04 2:50 AM:

just ‘one’ newsgroup would suffice for all topics???!!!

It could, but people like you would be scared by it.

hahahaha.

in article dH4Ub.21643$, The Data Rat at
remove X wrote on 2/4/04 3:28 AM:

As someone
on the group put it so eloquently…."don’t feed the trolls and they will go away".

Suzi

Well, Suzi… how many years have you been trying that tactic? 3 or 4? More than that?

Has it worked yet?

hahahaha.

in article , AndyD at
wrote on 2/4/04 4:49 AM:

In article <BC45F59A.D8030% says…

in article , SC800B at
wrote on 2/3/04 4:15 PM:

This, however, is a photoshop NG with many pros and many who are eager to learn …

So what? That does not limit the types of messages that can be posted to this newsgroup.

Grow up.

This is not a classroom, this is a newsgroup that anyone can post to with any type of message, on any topic.

And the rest of us can either ignore it or drop the sender into the bozo bin …but responding can often start a flame war which can easily destroy a newsgroup.

Newsgroups are static, the people come and go… people can choose to use newsgroups in any number of ways, the title of the newsgroup does not limit how the newsgroup can be used.

Alt.Binary newsgroups are the most wide open type of newsgroup. Any type of data and topic can be posted. It really does not matter what the title of the newsgroup is.

Newsgroups are not "destroyed" by "flame wars"… people change how they use newsgroups, that’s all.

in article K%aUb.7435$, Stephan at
wrote on 2/4/04 10:39 AM:

"cris Zalika" wrote in message

in article
wrote on 2/3/04 6:21 PM:

…

Did you write something of value? I must have missed it. Want to try again?

You on the other hand….

Stop crying, this is Usenet. Familiar to you?

hahahaha.

Just a classic example of a bunch of wanna-be’s hi-jacking a thread for their own entertainment.

And then the world ended, just as it started…
By drawing an image in the dust.
DD
——-
"Geri P" wrote in message

in article K%aUb.7435$, Stephan at
wrote on 2/4/04 10:39 AM:

"cris Zalika" wrote in message

in article , artistyike at

wrote on 2/3/04 6:21 PM:

…

Did you write something of value? I must have missed it. Want to try again?

You on the other hand….

Stop crying, this is Usenet. Familiar to you?

hahahaha.

"AndyD" wrote in message

And the rest of us can either ignore it or drop the sender into the

bozo

bin …but responding can often start a flame war which can easily destroy a newsgroup.

You don’t consider your comment to be a response?

Bill Newton.

Why not? You were done with the thread anyway.

hahaha.

in article nugUb.42716$, Duncan Donald at
wrote on 2/4/04 4:53 PM:

Just a classic example of a bunch of wanna-be’s hi-jacking a thread for their own entertainment.

And then the world ended, just as it started…
By drawing an image in the dust.
DD
——-
"Geri P" wrote in message

in article K%aUb.7435$, Stephan at
wrote on 2/4/04 10:39 AM:

"cris Zalika" wrote in message

in article , artistyike at

wrote on 2/3/04 6:21 PM:

…

Did you write something of value? I must have missed it. Want to try again?

You on the other hand….

Stop crying, this is Usenet. Familiar to you?

hahahaha.

in article bvs6ta$rvs$, Bill Newton at
wrote on 2/4/04 5:39 PM:

"AndyD" wrote in message

And the rest of us can either ignore it or drop the sender into the

bozo

bin …but responding can often start a flame war which can easily destroy a newsgroup.

You don’t consider your comment to be a response?

Bill Newton.

Well, of course not, Bill. Andy is more than willing to tell other people what to do, but he can’t possibly do it himself.

hahahaha.

I have found this website to be very helpful. It has many tips and tricks for photos:
http://robertdfeinman.com/tips/index.html

"adrian kinzy" wrote in message

I just received my wedding photo and they are horrible! 40% are very dark, especially the ones that me and my bride are at the altar. The

photographer

has agreed to refund me 50% of what I paid in addition, giving me a photo

cd

of the entire wedding photos. My question is:

Could Photoshop fix photos that have a very dark background? If so, could a guru give me some instruction how to do so.

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance