Just wondering if anyone has uncovered any silver bullets to correcting the extremely slow launch of CS. I have timed the launch and it ranges anywhere from 2 and half minutes to 3 and hlaf minutes for CD to open. It sits on "scanning for plug-ins". Clearly something is wrong. Back when CS was 1st released, Extensis plug-ins were pointed as the culprit. So, back then as a test I unstalled all 4 of my Extensis plug-ins, and the launch time did not change at all, so for me, it was not Extensis plug-ins. Aside from this issue, CS runs great for me.
All other apps fly on this machine; P4 3.0 GHz, 800MHz FSB, 2 GB of DDR400 ram, Win XP Pro. I do have close to a terabyte of internal drives, three 250 GB 7200 RPM drives, plus 120 GB boot drive, and another 75 GB raid. I was wondering could CS possibly be scanning all of these drives, instead of just the CS directory in the "Program Files" folder?
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remove anything from the plug in directories that are NOT plugins. (all image files, read me files, patches, swatches, samples, etc. must go. put them somewhere that’s not being scanned for plugins at startup.)
FIXED! First, I meant to say that the supposed culprit was AutoFX plugs, not Extensis. In any event, I had uninstalled 4 AutoFX plugs and it was still slow, 2 to 3 minutes. I have a very large amount of plugs and filters. So I just spent a few hours, first cutting everything out of my plug-in folder, my filters folder, the Adobe Photoshop Only folder, as a lot of software installs more than just the 8bX files. CS launched in about 5 to 6 seconds!!! I then, one by one, pasted them back in and launched Photoshop CS. Low and behold, there was a folder called "PGE", which turns out is the folder for the AutoFX PhotoGraphics Frames and Edges software. The uninstall did not remove the file as I would have expected. When I pasted this back into the CS, the launch went back to several minutes, so all this time, it was in fact the AutoFX plug.
Now I need to figure out how to use $500 worth of AutoFX plugs without having to reinstall whenevr I want to use them, which is rediculous.
Contact AutoFX and ask them to fix the fact that they put thousands of unnecessary files in the plugins folder. (the plugins themselves aren’t slow – but it takes time to scan all those other non-plugin files)
I agree, half the stuff shouldn’t be in there, i.e. the plug-ins folder, it’s bound to slow it down. While i’m here, I was wondering.
With the file browser, in the past, ie v7, when there was a thin black box around each photo, I would drag say 10 photos at a time into Photoshop, edit and adjust them and when I went back to the browser, the editted ones lost the black line and the uneditted ones kept the black line.
As I didn’t want these, I simply went delete and they were deleted etc etc.
NOW! I have to go and select date modified so Photoshop can put these to the top but it doesn’t deselect the editted ones so I have to click outside the browser and reselect the ones I want to keep.
Also, which MAYBE a bug? when from our Canon D60/ 10D images in the browser, in the past when I wanted to keep the "View" images I changed the levels to 253 from 255 and then when I went to the browser after saving them, "cos after adjusting them they were ready for saving" the images would have "flashed" (as they were adjusted) and then they lost the thin black border. NOW when I adjust the "View" prints and go to the browser and EVENTUALLY delete them, every single image comes BACK into Photoshop without any other button etc pressed. This works ONLY with view images and not rotated images. I suspect this may be associated with levels being able to be cached in "memory and cache levels" feature in Preferences. If it is I want a gold star for discovering this and/or a go at being beta tester in the next version.
Chris, I don’t think I may have explained myself totally fully but if you respond or ask me further questions i’ll try and expand.
I won’t go into performance ‘cos i’m hoping and praying it’ll be dealt with in the dot release and if you haven’t seen it which I don’t want to address the issue but
No Wonder Photoshop CS Seems Slow – It’s Analiyzing Images For Content!
AutoFX Photographic Edges is a nice plug-in but the content folder contains 1.48 GB of data (24000+ files !). Photoshop has to examine the lot and this of course takes ages even on a fast machine.
You don’t need to uninstall it though. Here is a work-around. Photoshop skips plug-in folders when the name starts with a ~. Rename the folder to ~PGE in explorer before launching Photoshop. Normally you can’t use it then in that session. But here is another trick if you do want the filter in that session of Photoshop: remove the ~ after launch. (rename again in explorer) I know it’s far from ideal but it’s no big hassle if you know one or other programming environment. I used Visual Basic and now I only have to click a button: the folder is renamed; Photoshop is launched and the folder is renamed again. Very easy to program BTW.
Why not just flag the selected images before opening?<
Sorry, I knew I didn’t explain myself too well. I’ll try to make this clearer without boring people.
We do weddings and portraiture but in the wedding case I have 4 folders. Photos taken at Home, Church, Gardens and Hotel. With the Canons you tend to take loads more then you need so it’s time for deleting as we can have 1.5GB’s worth of prints which don’t fit onto one CD for archiving etc etc.
So in the NEW Browser I open say "Home" folder and from 001.jpg I drag batches of 10 -15 images @20mb each into PS and they’re all highlighted blue.
Now, say half the images need rotated to upright, then the other half I adjust the levels to say 253 if I want to save them. I will evaluate say 5 duplicates and keep say 2 of them. Once i have done a batch of 10 and keep 3 I close them down saving the ones I want.
I then open the browser and all 10 are still highlighted in blue. Now it’s up to either memory to remember the images I adjusted cos I can’t flag them as I have to see the quality in PS @ 100% zoom. Anyway in the browser I go to sort>date modified, and this puts the images I DON’T want to the bottom of the browser and the images I do want stay at the top BUT they are still highlighted blue.
In the past, the "Modified" images lost the thin black border around them and the unmodified images(The ones I didn’t want) had the border so when I went file>delete, the unmodified images were the only ones which were deleted.
If it were possible to have a "date>unadjusted" or put the black border back again it would be better cos my production level has went back a few steps. Also for no apparent reason as I am working through a folder, for no reason whatsoever, the sort>date modified check, changes to custom and even goes to sort>filename and even loads the numbers from the camera haphazardly, not even in order say file001, file002, then file023, file024, then file003 so it’s all upside down.
I really would like this fixed and also in Window>Arrange>Tile all the images load on top of each other and not side by side. It looks very unnatural and harder to arrange properly. why not give the choice of View>View or View>Upright or View>Up/Down.
I’m sorry for the long wind reply but i’ve spent over £650 for the suite and I begrudge having to revert to v7 just to speed things up afetr spending all that money, that’s like half a wedding and when you take all the expenses out your not left with much.
Anyway, enough of that. It would be good to have this in the next dot release
For what it is worth, I sent a long email to AutoFX this past weekend asking them what they are doing about it, and what my options are for using their plugs that they marketed so well (to me anyway) resulting in a $500 plus expenditure. Here is the response pasred exactly as I received today in an email… they blame Adobe and say they are waiting on Adobe. ——— HI there,
This issue has been verified as a problem with Photoshop CS. We have been in contact with them and are hoping on some resolution. Because this problem arose in the update to Photoshop, we have no way to change it. I will let you know when we hear something new regarding this. At this time we are waiting for adobe to give us some insight.
Thanks, Wendie Smiley AutoFX Software Customer Support 205.980.0056 Fax 205.980.1121
Sounds as though you should be using the Dr Brown’s Image Processor Script – from the workflow you have described it should increase your productivity no-end!
Like h*ll it’s a problem in CS. And NOBODY in Adobe would tell them that, because it is untrue.
We told them they were doing something wrong, exactly what they were doing wrong, AND what they needed to do to fix it, and they have yet to do anything.
I will contact Ms. Smiley and ask that they stop lying to their customers.
The quirky actions of CS has to do with a joint effort of Adobe and the U.S. government. CS runs code that is designed to thwart counterfeiting currency. The latency has to do with CS looking for signatures. Beakons that are graphically keyed into new releases of U.S. currency. Need proof? Scan and attempt to print new bill, note the behavior of CS. This is in part why many of your plugins are not compatible with CS.
Personally I have no problem with BIG BRO looking over my shoulder however whenever it comes to this type of tinkering, I would certainly appreciate a notice form the manufacturer of said goods! Something simple like this product contains anti-counterfeiting technology. It may not work as expected with existing plugins.
This is the first upgrade that I’ve had problems with. Having used PS since ver. 4, I am, for the first time, disappointed. Chris, you can say all you want about "PS CS is done and quite usable" but it is not, for me.
I don’t know what the problem is and you have said that you don’t know what my problems might be. You don’t care to figure out what’s wrong? Neither do I. I have a Win2K machine which I have reformatted to make sure it’s clean. PS7 runs beautifully on it. PS CS is SLOW!
I’m beyond the 30-day refund thingie, but I’ll call Adobe tomorrow and see what can be worked out. Please know that I don’t give a about scanning money, or activation. I just want PS to run efficiently so I can get some freaking work done.
It is very apparent that there was a change made in CS that is causing the slow launch when PGE is installed. Photoshop 5,6 and 7 had no problem with launching. We were allowed to be on an email thread between engineers at Adobe and Adobe is very aware of the apparent problem. Although Adobe did tell AutoFX that we can ‘change’ where the program installs, this is not an option to current customers. As any customer is aware this is a large program, that is what you are purchasing, thousands of content files. In the thread the #1 option is to ‘do nothing’ and mentions that this does reflect poorly on Adobe. This is an email within Adobes engineer staff, not including AutoFX. In the email the 2nd option is to Optomize the scanning process. The end of the email has them deciding to mark the issue as ‘not adobe’.
Larry – please stop spreading misinformation. As explained several times, the CDS code takes almost no user visible time.
Nick – without taking apart your machine, I don’t know. Do make sure you have your disks formatted for NTFS and not FAT32.
AFx – the scanning process for plugins is as fast as it’s going to get without Microsoft making some major changes to the OS. AutoFX installs thousands of files where they shouldn’t be installing them, and the company has done nothing to fix the problem since being notified of it during the Photoshop CS beta.
That is correct PGE does install thousands of files, the same place they have always installed them, the slow launch did not occur until CS was available. AutoFX now allows you to install into the Adobe photoshop only folder, there is still no change. AutoFX has done exactly what Adobe reccomended and there is still no change in the launch time of CS. The OS has not changed since the launch of CS, so how is the OS to blame. The fact is Chris, that Photoshop 7 scanned the plugin in a very short time, CS does not. There was some change made and it was not by AutoFX. Why should AutoFX be forced to fix something that wasnt broken by them?
How are you?, please don’t have me to keep on bumping the thread. I’ll even give it over to Scott, Mark or Stephanie if they have a better idea, please don’t ignore it.
Still waiting for an idea how to resume play regarding File Browser.
Since you hijacked a performance thread with a file browser issue, perhaps you’d like to start a separate thread and outline what the issue is along with accurate steps to reproduce. thanks
Apologies, It wasn’t intentional to hijack the thread. It seemed the only thread at the time Chris was answering as the Money Scanning thread was alive at the time so I was trying to attract his or anybodies attention to my issue.
If you wish I WILL post a new thread but since I don’t own the forum and I am trying to push THIS thread which MAY benefit yourself and all others that is the only reason for doing so. And please, this IS a performance issue with ME as I use File Browser exclusively but have found it costing me valuable seconds per image of which I turn around 250 per hour but NOT any longer because of the new language.
Dave, is that the complaint dept started by Ho?. Anyway, it’s the way the process is worked that’s bugging me. If you read the posts I printed earlier in this post you should get an idea.
My problem is when I use PS for selecting and deleting fresh from the digital camera, I rarely keep archive too long on the PC once they’re backed up on disc.
Anyway, read them to give you an idea and see what you think about it.
Dave, I’ve turned all the additional file browser stuff off from i read about it except the sidecar thingy whatever that is.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have a MAJOR speed issue. Certain things are very slow like filters and the money opening thing but it seems to be with the PSCS programming.
Try this! open up NEW photos into PS7 and drag them into PS7 from the File Browser in batches of 10. Adjust as necessary, and decide on saving 5 and deleting 5. Then go to file browser and with the fly-out menu press delete. The 5 you decided to delete(which had NO changes) will keep the thin black border around the thumbnails and the 5 you want to keep will LOSE the border. When you press delete, PS7 will ask, "Delete 5 images" which you agree to. They disappear and the 5 others will be kept.
Now try the same in PSCS. ALL the prints will be highlighted in blue (Good). After adjusting and deciding to keep 5 and delete the other 5 ALL the images are still highlighted in blue so there is only one way to separate them and that is to use "Sort>Date Modified", so this separates them. The modified images go to the bottom of the browser and the unmodified ones go to the top but they are still all blue or selected. So now I have to deselect all 10 images and reselect the 5 at the top and delete them manually.
This may be fine but when you are working with 600+ images per wedding and you have 80+ weddings a year it soon mounts up to lost time and money. I PS7 I flew through them but since PSCS it’s taking ages.
Anyway Dave, sorry for the long reply. I asked Chris about it. No reply, Len suggested the Russell Brown Plugin and Mark ATS accused me of Hi-jacking the post so i’m beat at all sides. I hope Chris responds ‘cos I don’t want to go on begging the issue and have to keep bumping the post. It does get tedious and then you’re branded a YAP! I also want to know if the issue can be fixed before the .01 release if possible.
Dave, if you can find a workaround i’d appreciate it as I’ve tried everything
Dave, just checking you saw this, anyway what’s with all these new posts about ground already covered. At this rate of going the lounge is gonna be full.
bumping… i don’t know if i can add anything, but i’ll try what mark suggests tonight. i’ve been passing on tips from the ps techs who sometimes hang out here. there are some things that can be done to speed it up, but imo, there’s still some tweeking that needs to be done to the app. <sienfeld>Not that there’s anything wrong with that.</sienfeld>
Yes. Confirmed. It’s as you say mark. The selection in the browser goes away if the file is resaved in 7. It does not in 8. Seems like it would be an easy thing to fix.
What I’d do, is post this problem in the "feature request" section and ask that the behavious be reversed to what it was in 7. Seems like an oversight when they redid the browser to me.
you know i thought you were having problems with the cs slowness issue until i just reread your post carefully before trying out what you suggest. you really did hijack this thread! 🙂
Great Dave, appreciate that. Will putting it in "feature requests" still make the dot release? I’d love Chris, Scott or any of the guys give a small acknowledgement as to the issue, then I’d know.
Refer anyway?
Regards
Mark
BTW, has harrillj had his answer yet? I don’t want to be accused of being a Dick Turpin LOL!
AHA, now I know where ADOBE got the idea for masking techniques
yes. definately. post it in the feature request section.
harrillj’s answer, until autofx fixes their installation, is to manually move the non plugin files out of the plugin folder. bit of a pain for the user if you ask me. as a developer and user of install shield to ship my own products i know it’s quite simple to repackage an installation to install support files to a seperate folder without changing the application in any way. they should release a new install and a readme file explaining where all their support files were moved to. (also easily displayable at the end of the installation so the user definately sees it).
Hey Dave, Let me understand this. I posted this post and LIKE 5 mins later you replied. Where’s the 30 minute chance for recall or are you semi-moderator.
Let me understand this. I posted this post and LIKE 5 mins later you replied. Where’s the 30 minute chance for recall
you should still be able to edit your last post. afaik that’s not changed. i still see the edit button on my last couple of posts. are you by any chance using a newsreader instead of the web interface?
No Dave, none of the above but it shows how Adobe have used good server capacity regarding posting. It’s like it’s almost live aka that stupid MS thingy.
I posted the stuff on "Feature Requests" so hopefully it’ll get addressed.
BTW, over here in N.Ireland we’re getting reports there’s a massive sporting event shortly regarding American Football. Participating? and what type of LAGER is included? Just Wandering? LOL!
It’s like it’s almost live aka that stupid MS thingy.
yea, when multiple parties are online and focused on the same thread (or 3) it can get pretty lively. you should see the lounge sometimes (not for the faint of heart or overly serious)! that the section where we’ve been banished to to keep (most of) the off topic chatter off the main board.
BTW, over here in N.Ireland we’re getting reports there’s a massive sporting event shortly regarding American Football. Participating? and what type of LAGER is included? Just Wandering? LOL!
You DEFINATELY need to see the lounge nfl topic(s). Also several about favorite lagers, simpsons, songs, food and favorite recipies, beer, dance, cats, computer viruses, beer, platform wars, hair styles (including the mullet tribute thread), politics and other assorted and related drivel. Oh, and beer… AND simpsons.
Participating? Not personally, just spectating. 🙂 And lager-ing.
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