Healing Brush Patch Tool questions

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

My experience shows that this tool will blend color well, but the textures come from where you took it from. i.e. The texture is copied, but the color is used from the spot you are fixing.

This all isn’t 100% consistent. It will do some odd things sometimes, but usually not. For example, most of the time the color isn’t transfered. However, every now and then, it will. I haven’t figured out why.

So, be careful of the texture that you want to move. This should help.

Clyde

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

I usually use them for very similar editing processes. I use the clone tool to fix things near edges. The healing brush will pick up colors from the edge.

Clyde

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

Also, check your feathering. Make sure it is not too low. Maybe the stamp would work better for your needs.

Jan

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

The Healing and Patch tools have an advantage over the Clone tool because they allow the source to blend in with the destination’s texture and color. The Clone tool is drastic but perfectly fine of correcting areas lacking in details, such as a cloudless sky. For retouching areas with critical details, such as skin pores, Healing and Patch are tools of choice. Unfortunately I do encounter the stated problems with them. I’m trying to figure out how they use the "underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected" so that I can avoid these problems.

I also noticed that sometimes when I paint with the Healing tool, a cross hair cursor will appear in addition to the brush cursor and tracking its motion. What is this cross hair cursor?

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

The Healing and Patch tools have an advantage over the Clone tool because they allow the source to blend in with the destination’s texture and color. The Clone tool is drastic but perfectly fine of correcting areas lacking in details, such as a cloudless sky. For retouching areas with critical details, such as skin pores, Healing and Patch are tools of choice. Unfortunately I do encounter the stated problems with them. I’m trying to figure out how they use the "underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected" so that I can avoid these problems.

I also noticed that sometimes when I paint with the Healing tool, a cross hair cursor will appear in addition to the brush cursor and tracking its motion. What is this cross hair cursor?

The cross hair is showing you what you are cloning from.

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

The Healing and Patch tools have an advantage over the Clone tool because they allow the source to blend in with the destination’s texture and color. The Clone tool is drastic but perfectly fine of correcting areas lacking in details, such as a cloudless sky. For retouching areas with critical details, such as skin pores, Healing and Patch are tools of choice. Unfortunately I do encounter the stated problems with them. I’m trying to figure out how they use the "underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected" so that I can avoid these problems.

I also noticed that sometimes when I paint with the Healing tool, a cross hair cursor will appear in addition to the brush cursor and tracking its motion. What is this cross hair cursor?

The cross hair is showing you what you are cloning from.

It does indeed. By paying close attention to the cross hair starting point and its track, I get much better results painting with the Healing tool. Thanks.

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I have two problems with the Healing Brush and the Patch Tool after repeated applications. Tracks, or repetitive patterns, will form. Colors will change in spots. A healed and replaced area is supposed to somehow mix in its original texture and colors. Is the mixture based on the border of the replaced area, or the inside of the area? Thanks.

The healing brush is best used for minor corrections. If you need more drastic changes use the clone tool instead.

Why? And what do you mean "drastic"?

The healing brush uses underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected. Multiple applications of it will begin to pick up corrected tones instead of the original. That’s why one eventually gets a speckled or patterned appearance.

The clone tool seems just as dangerous for drastic changes as the healing brush. They both copy something from one spot and put it in another. The clone tool copies everything and the healing brush just copies some of the information. That would seem to make them close cousins.

Exactly, and that also explains why one is better than the other for replacing defects as opposed to covering them.

The Healing and Patch tools have an advantage over the Clone tool because they allow the source to blend in with the destination’s texture and color. The Clone tool is drastic but perfectly fine of correcting areas lacking in details, such as a cloudless sky. For retouching areas with critical details, such as skin pores, Healing and Patch are tools of choice. Unfortunately I do encounter the stated problems with them. I’m trying to figure out how they use the "underlying tonal characteristics of the area being corrected" so that I can avoid these problems.

I also noticed that sometimes when I paint with the Healing tool, a cross hair cursor will appear in addition to the brush cursor and tracking its motion. What is this cross hair cursor?

The cross hair is showing you what you are cloning from.

It does indeed. By paying close attention to the cross hair starting point and its track, I get much better results painting with the Healing tool. Thanks.

Glad it helped, all the best
Brian.