Color Profiles

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Nov 13, 2003
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I read all the responses and thanks to everyone. However, I’m more confused than ever about this subject. I have a monitor profile which is now my default. I have a scanner profile which I have no idea how it works (comes into play) when I scan. I use the Epson 3200 Pro and can’t find anyplace where I specify that profile. Is the scanner profile supposed to make sure the picture on my CRT matches? Then I have a printer profile for a specific paper – that, I understand. Now, when it comes to setting up my workflow (color spaces), how do I set up Color Settings in Photoshop CS? Also, how can I be assured that my scanner, monitor and printer are all calibrated? I hope one of you can help. Thanks again………….

Bobby

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bhilton665
Nov 13, 2003
From: "Bobby77501"

I have a scanner profile which I have no idea how it works (comes into play) when I scan. I use the Epson 3200 Pro and can’t find anyplace where I specify that profile.

If you really want to dig into this Color Management stuff I recommend the book "Real World Color Management" by Fraser/Bunting/Murphy.

According to that book, you would generate your scanner profile with the Monaco software with all auto-anything features turned off on the scanner, so you’re getting just the raw scan data. Now when you scan you will end up with an untagged tiff file and when you open Photoshop you will get a "Missing Profile" message.

According to RWCM the way to use the profile is when you get the "Missing Profile" message you should pick the third option "Assign Profile" and assign your scanner profile here, and also check the box for "and then convert document to working RGB", which should probably be AdobeRGB or similar.

Assigning the scanner profile should give you the correct colors as determined by your IT8 scan and profile generation from the Monaco software. The advantage of using your working space (which is an abstract, non-device specific space) instead of your input device space (ie, the Monaco scanner profile) is that the "input spaces are rarely gray-balanced" and "input spaces are hardly ever perceptually uniform" (pg 266 RWCM).

Note that Monaco will tell you to NOT convert to an abstract working space (like AdobeRGB), for some reason. So once again you have a choice 🙂

Anyway, what you’ll likely find is that this scan is very dull because there was no auto-exposure step during the scan, so you’ll have to make some major tonal edits. For this reason I suggest you scan in high bit mode.

I feel I get more accurate colors using a custom scanner profile but it’s definitely a lot more work and the images look really drab out of the scanner until the tonality problem is addressed.

Hope this helps … getting the book I mentioned is a good idea if you want to learn more. And I’m sure there are other ways to do this, which we’ll hear shortly 🙂

Now, when it comes to setting up my workflow
(color spaces), how do I set up Color Settings in Photoshop CS?

Photoshop defaults to settings better suited for the web instead of printing (ie, sRGB is the default working space). Since you’re scanning yourself and printing on an Epson inkjet I’d suggest setting AdobeRGB as your working space for a better gamut match than sRGB (which is better suited for the web). You can do this easily with Edit > Color Settings and in the top drop down menu ‘Settings’ pick US Pre-Press Defaults" (or Japan or Europe defaults if that’s where you are … the differences are in the CMYK settings, which you are not likely to care about). This sets AdobeRGB as your default RGB working space and you’re ready to go.

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Flycaster
Nov 13, 2003
"Bobby77501" wrote in message
I read all the responses and thanks to everyone. However, I’m more
confused
than ever about this subject. I have a monitor profile which is now my default. I have a scanner profile which I have no idea how it works
(comes
into play) when I scan. I use the Epson 3200 Pro and can’t find anyplace where I specify that profile. Is the scanner profile supposed to make
sure
the picture on my CRT matches? Then I have a printer profile for a
specific
paper – that, I understand. Now, when it comes to setting up my workflow (color spaces), how do I set up Color Settings in Photoshop CS? Also, how can I be assured that my scanner, monitor and printer are all calibrated?
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hope one of you can help. Thanks again………….

Bobby, did you not read or see the long post either here from Bill Hilton, or from me in the other Photoshop newsgroup? He and I both, as well as Robert Feinman, gave you a pretty detailed way to use your profiles and set up your workflow. You may want to check back on your post in the other newsgroup…there have been replies there as well.

The rest of our discussion revolves around a tangential (to you) subject – there is really no need to hassle yourself with this since it would appear that it doesn’t make any difference either way. IOW, we’re just jawing over an unexplained setting.

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Gene
Nov 13, 2003
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:38:29 -0500, "Bobby77501" wrote:

I read all the responses and thanks to everyone. However, I’m more confused than ever about this subject. I have a monitor profile which is now my default. I have a scanner profile which I have no idea how it works (comes into play) when I scan. I use the Epson 3200 Pro and can’t find anyplace where I specify that profile. Is the scanner profile supposed to make sure the picture on my CRT matches? Then I have a printer profile for a specific paper – that, I understand. Now, when it comes to setting up my workflow (color spaces), how do I set up Color Settings in Photoshop CS? Also, how can I be assured that my scanner, monitor and printer are all calibrated? I hope one of you can help. Thanks again………….

Bobby

Hi!

Perhaps I can answer a few questions.

I have Photoshop CS. The Epson 3170 scanner, and an Epson C80 inkjet.

First off, the Photoshop CS user guide, the paper manual, has an excellent 5 page chapter on Color Management. It’s easy to take in. They now cover inkjets, and Adobe now has "Printer Color Management" as an option. Please go through it…it’s excellent for someone who wants to get to the chase.

Your scanner has a "Professional Mode" in the Twain driver. At the bottom is a "Configuration" button which leads to a dialog box that will give you Color management options.

Note that calibrating your monitor with Adobe Gamma is the first thing you should do. The profiles that come with the scanner and printer are "canned"…that is supplied by the manufacturer.

If your work is really critical, you would have to spend cash on having the scanner, printer, and monitor accurately profiled. That would be a "custom profile". Try the free stuff first. 😉

My setup is basically home desktop, so I don’t know how to begin spending money having my equipment professionally profiled. It seems what I have is good enough.

Gene–

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