ATTN ERIC GILL

hey

I’m having a difficult time ripping a multi-page Quark file into PDF with spreads. It’s quite weird. The Quark file is built letter size pages, built two-per-spread, not facing, same thing everybody does I guess.

the first two pages of the Quark document, the page itself is portrait oriented, but the text and pictures are set in and rotated to landscape orientation (so they appear sideways on a portrait orented page). when i try to rip using any kind of driver, i get odd results in the final pdf. When I rip the pdf, these two pages seem to confuse the hell out of the distiller; they come out as a single 11×17, protrait oriented, the two pages stacked on top of each other, with lots of the text clipped off. The third and fourth page come out correct as a spread but text is clipped off.

Any suggestions? I’m still using acrobat 3. Were these the kinds of problems you were having?

in the final pdf. When I rip the pdf, these two pages seem to confuse the hell out of the distiller; they come out as a single 11×17, protrait oriented, the two pages stacked on top of each other, with lots of the text clipped off. The third and fourth page come out correct as a spread but text is clipped off.

Sounds like PPD problems, or Acro 3’s problem with correctly interpreting a PPD. Which are you using?

Second, don’t even try to output a pdf from Quark if you’ve got an image with a clipping path going across the page gutter. You can’t.

Any suggestions? I’m still using acrobat 3. Were these the kinds of problems you were having?

I’ve seen somewhat similar wierdness. Do yourself a favor and upgrade Acrobat (not Quark). While version 6 is a prepress tech’s wet dream, version 5 has been utterly reliable.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:45:54 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

in the final pdf. When I rip the pdf, these two pages seem to confuse the hell out of the distiller; they come out as a single 11×17, protrait oriented, the two pages stacked on top of each other, with lots of the text clipped off. The third and fourth page come out correct as a spread but text is clipped off.

Sounds like PPD problems, or Acro 3’s problem with correctly interpreting a PPD. Which are you using?

which what? PPD?

i’m confused….. i used the Avantra driver you
pointed me to, i also used my Epson postscript RIP driver, i tired everything.

the strange thing is, i created a new file, single page, 17×11, just to experiment. WOULDNT EVEN RIP THAT CORRECTLY> Clipped off text on both far sides of the resulting pdf.

Endless experimentation with menu
parameters resulted in no change. Was just wondering if i was missing some important step.

I can rip letter size files into pdf all day long. Apparently just having problems with tabloid. Any suggestions?

I’ve seen somewhat similar wierdness. Do yourself a favor and upgrade Acrobat (not Quark). While version 6 is a prepress tech’s wet dream, version 5 has been utterly reliable.

kewl. will look into that. might be the fix. thanks

which what? PPD?

Postscript Printer Description.

Utilities->PPD manager.

i’m confused….. i used the Avantra driver you
pointed me to, i also used my Epson postscript RIP driver, i tired everything.

the strange thing is, i created a new file, single page, 17×11, just to experiment. WOULDNT EVEN RIP THAT CORRECTLY> Clipped off text on both far sides of the resulting pdf.

What’s your paper size set to in the print menu?

I forgot to add that 5 is discontinued, so you can probably pick up a copy on eBay or something a lot cheaper than 6 and it will likely do all you want.

Then you can switch to InDesign and forget about these problems.\

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:12:08 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

i’m confused….. i used the Avantra driver you
pointed me to, i also used my Epson postscript RIP driver, i tired everything.

the strange thing is, i created a new file, single page, 17×11, just to experiment. WOULDNT EVEN RIP THAT CORRECTLY> Clipped off text on both far sides of the resulting pdf.

What’s your paper size set to in the print menu?

tabloid 17×11

I forgot to add that 5 is discontinued, so you can probably pick up a copy on eBay or something a lot cheaper than 6 and it will likely do

you want.

Then you can switch to InDesign and forget about these problems.\

LOL

sure thing man, after i win the lottery.

Come on, dog. The *Premium* version of the whole Creative Suite, with Illy, Indy, Photoshop, and Acrobat is less than version 6 of Quark.

I think there’s a competitive upgrade offer, too, but I might be wrong.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:48:02 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Come on, dog. The *Premium* version of the whole Creative Suite, with Illy, Indy, Photoshop, and Acrobat is less than version 6 of Quark.

Yes. And you get software that works properly that way. 🙂

I think there’s a competitive upgrade offer, too, but I might be wrong.

If I was a Quark sufferer, I’d do it even if it cost more 😉

You couldn’t actually pay any amount of money to make Acrobat 3 (and to some degree 4) to work right. Caused me no amount of headaches.

I’m laying out two magazines, one in Indy and one in QXP, and I think QXP will be out of the picture next issue.

I’m laying out two magazines, one in Indy and one in QXP, and I think QXP will be out of the picture next issue.

tabloid 17×11

Under the "preview" tab in the print preview, does it actually look like it thinks it’s using tabloid, or do the white area and dotted lines look more like your cut-off problem?

Come on, dog. The *Premium* version of the whole Creative Suite, with Illy, Indy, Photoshop, and Acrobat is less than version 6 of Quark.
I think there’s a competitive upgrade offer, too, but I might be wrong.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 05:24:46 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

You couldn’t actually pay any amount of money to make Acrobat 3 (and to some degree 4) to work right. Caused me no amount of headaches.

I was lucky. My first full version of Acrobat was 5. 😉

I’m laying out two magazines, one in Indy and one in QXP, and I think QXP will be out of the picture next issue.

Since you pointed it out to me, I tired Indy then bought v2. Then the bast*rds decided activation was the way to go…and now I’m wondering if I really need all the power Indy gives me and looking at PagePlus.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:48:02 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

tabloid 17×11

Under the "preview" tab in the print preview, does it actually look

it thinks it’s using tabloid, or do the white area and dotted lines

more like your cut-off problem?

looks exactly like tabloid

Come on, dog. The *Premium* version of the whole Creative Suite, with Illy, Indy, Photoshop, and Acrobat is less than version 6 of Quark.
I think there’s a competitive upgrade offer, too, but I might be wrong.

i need to look into that…. the rest of the stuff is working fine for me now tho and always has with a few hiccups…. i’d rather just get this one thing fixed, maybe with Acrobat 5

I dont know. Will look into it

looks exactly like tabloid

Crap. Looks like it is probably version 3.

Pop over to comp.publish.prepress and re-post the problem, see if the boys there have a work-around.

Come on, dog. The *Premium* version of the whole Creative Suite, with Illy, Indy, Photoshop, and Acrobat is less than version 6 of Quark.
I think there’s a competitive upgrade offer, too, but I might be wrong.

i need to look into that…. the rest of the stuff is working fine for me now tho and always has with a few hiccups…. i’d rather just get this one thing fixed, maybe with Acrobat 5

Man, I just completed a 32-page magazine in IndyCS. I’m going to start getting pissy anytime I’m forced to work in Xpress any more.
Take a look here, if you have a minute or ten:

http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/003/software/indesign/ind esign-1.html
This guy is right on target. Indy, especially CS, is what Quark always wanted to grow up to be.

I dont know. Will look into it

I think you’ll like most of what’s there.

Since you pointed it out to me, I tired Indy then bought v2. Then the bast*rds decided activation was the way to go…and now I’m wondering if I really need all the power Indy gives me and looking at PagePlus.

Well, IndyCS at least doesn’t have activation. It, too, rocks. The list of page layout geek goodness is ‘way too long to go into here, but things like ink percentage preview (shows hotspots where your document has too much coverage according to your target profile), plus mucho greater customizeability (as if Indy 2 wasn’t in a league by itself already) on the controls. Plus speed, my biggest gripe with 2.x. I think the upgrade might be worth your hard-earned pazoozas, Hecate.

layout software without separations preview again.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:16:04 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Since you pointed it out to me, I tired Indy then bought v2. Then the bast*rds decided activation was the way to go…and now I’m wondering if I really need all the power Indy gives me and looking at PagePlus.

Well, IndyCS at least doesn’t have activation. It, too, rocks. The list of page layout geek goodness is ‘way too long to go into here, but things like ink percentage preview (shows hotspots where your document has too much coverage according to your target profile), plus mucho greater customizeability (as if Indy 2 wasn’t in a league by itself already) on the controls. Plus speed, my biggest gripe with
2.x. I think the upgrade might be worth your hard-earned pazoozas,
Hecate.

I think you’#re right, for now anyway. I shall be doing the suite upgrade, because Indy isn’t the only thing I need to upgrade and with the silly price deals on the Suite, it’s cheaper.

So, I’ll end up with
a copy of PSCS anyway. Now, where did I put that crack… 😉

I think you’#re right, for now anyway. I shall be doing the suite upgrade, because Indy isn’t the only thing I need to upgrade and with the silly price deals on the Suite, it’s cheaper.

Concur. Trying to expand their monopoly into territories besides Illustrator and Photoshop, no doubt. (Not that I didn’t tkae advantage).

So, I’ll end up with
a copy of PSCS anyway. Now, where did I put that crack… 😉

Activation AND currency recognition disablers, both widely available.
But, of course, I wouldn’t know where <wink, wink>.

I don’t think I’ll ever be able to use a piece of page

layout software without separations preview again.

*** An essential tool for serious designers. I’ve been using Coreldraw’s built in plate preview for about 6 years. Also, sometimes designers find that being able imposition a job is important – like constantly. Again, Draw has had this feature for years. No need for 100’s of $$$ in 3rd party products. I pity users of Quark, and I’m sure they pity me. 🙂

There’s nothing wrong with Quark that a better company, proper technical support, good customer services, decent sales support and a total program rewrite couldn’t cure…

One has to wonder what the staff at Quark do all day. Play ping-pong? Check personal hotmail accounts? Sip free mocchachinos while preparing resume’s to send to a company with a future?

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:02:27 -0700, "Jeff H." wrote:

One has to wonder what the staff at Quark do all day. Play ping-pong? Check personal hotmail accounts? Sip free mocchachinos while preparing resume’s to send to a company with a future?

or, to quote one colourful guy I used to work with..

"They sit around all day with their thumbs up their bums and their brains in neutral…"