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Apr 10, 2005
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Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

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Craig Flory
Apr 10, 2005
I’m a professional portrait photographer & teach photoshop to other pro photogs. including
groups of up to 40+ at a tome. I would suggest that you find a friend or relative with a 6th
grade son or daughter. Tell them to ask questions, no matter how stupid they think it might
sound.Teens hate to seem stupid and would rather sit and not get an answer rather than get
laughed at. It is sort of like when a photog. asks me how to learn to use a computer for the
1st time. I tell that person to find a kindergarten student. In my classes I plan on going over
& over something till all questiosn have been answered. And I would suggest not doing too
much with shortcuts at first. Let them get enthused about the program. I’d have a number of examples printed out & mounted on mount board you can pass around
so they can see final efforts. Once you establish what it can do then start teaching. Good luck;

Craig Flory //
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Bill Hilton
Apr 10, 2005
"Classroom in a Book" by Adobe is the most commonly used beginner text.
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KatWoman
Apr 10, 2005
I think you have to choose whether the emphasis will be on using it to correct and print photos, or whether to use it as an artist would. I learned by opening it up and just playing with the tools and filters to see what they can do. For creative types this is best and most fun.

For the photographer and more technique oriented I suggest the basics first, How to open a document, how to save a copy of it without destroying the original, how to decide image size and formats, how to correct exposure, sharpening, dodge and burn. Then later get into the rest of the tools palette. Selections, masks, fixing imperfections.
And the filters.

"dasher" wrote in message
Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated. thanx dasher.
BC
Big Craigie
Apr 10, 2005
"dasher" wrote in message
Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Explain all the tools and how to get to their options etc I am doing an Advanced Photoshop course at nightschool and it is amzing just how many people on the course stumble and ask "what tool ?" whenever the tutor says pick such and such tool. Quite frankly, half the people on that course should be going to a basics course first.
Big Craigie
ps Even though I have been using Photoshop for over 7 years I have got lazy and used plugins for everything. I am doing this course to get me back to using the program by itself and not depend on plugins.
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Wizard of Draws
Apr 11, 2005
On 4/9/05 11:37 PM, in article
42589f50$0$5190$, "dasher"
spewed:

Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Selections. If you master all the various ways of making and saving selections, you’ve got a good handle on Photoshop. Once you’ve learned to make the selection you need, all that’s left is to manipulate it. —
Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
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Hecate
Apr 11, 2005
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:50:18 +0100, "Big Craigie" wrote:

"dasher" wrote in message
Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Explain all the tools and how to get to their options etc I am doing an Advanced Photoshop course at nightschool and it is amzing just how many people on the course stumble and ask "what tool ?" whenever the tutor says pick such and such tool. Quite frankly, half the people on that course should be going to a basics course first.
Big Craigie
ps Even though I have been using Photoshop for over 7 years I have got lazy and used plugins for everything. I am doing this course to get me back to using the program by itself and not depend on plugins.
Good. Most people never learn how to use PS correctly because they rely on plug ins. I use plug ins too, but only where they save me time and produce the same or better result than doing it myself. As you can understand, that narrows the number of useful plug ins to not very many 😉



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Wizard of Draws
Apr 12, 2005
On 4/11/05 5:46 PM, in article ,
"Hecate" spewed:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:50:18 +0100, "Big Craigie" wrote:

"dasher" wrote in message
Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Explain all the tools and how to get to their options etc I am doing an Advanced Photoshop course at nightschool and it is amzing just how many people on the course stumble and ask "what tool ?" whenever the tutor says pick such and such tool. Quite frankly, half the people on that course should be going to a basics course first.
Big Craigie
ps Even though I have been using Photoshop for over 7 years I have got lazy and used plugins for everything. I am doing this course to get me back to using the program by itself and not depend on plugins.
Good. Most people never learn how to use PS correctly because they rely on plug ins. I use plug ins too, but only where they save me time and produce the same or better result than doing it myself. As you can understand, that narrows the number of useful plug ins to not very many 😉



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…

Hear, hear. Most of the people I know that use Photoshop wouldn’t have a clue about how to use a channel or even any of the native filters. If it can’t be done with a single command by a third-party filter, they’re lost. They don’t realize how limited they are by not taking advantage of the abilities of the program itself.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
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dasher
Apr 12, 2005
thanx to all responses, dasher.

Wizard of Draws wrote:

On 4/9/05 11:37 PM, in article
42589f50$0$5190$, "dasher"
spewed:

Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Selections. If you master all the various ways of making and saving selections, you’ve got a good handle on Photoshop. Once you’ve learned to make the selection you need, all that’s left is to manipulate it.

BC
Big Craigie
Apr 12, 2005
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message
On 4/11/05 5:46 PM, in article ,
"Hecate" spewed:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:50:18 +0100, "Big Craigie" wrote:

"dasher" wrote in message
Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about
ten
years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the
essential
basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

Explain all the tools and how to get to their options etc I am doing an Advanced Photoshop course at nightschool and it is amzing just how many people on the course stumble and ask "what tool ?" whenever the tutor
says
pick such and such tool. Quite frankly, half the people on that course should be going to a basics course first.
Big Craigie
ps Even though I have been using Photoshop for over 7 years I have got
lazy
and used plugins for everything. I am doing this course to get me back
to
using the program by itself and not depend on plugins.
Good. Most people never learn how to use PS correctly because they rely on plug ins. I use plug ins too, but only where they save me time and produce the same or better result than doing it myself. As you can understand, that narrows the number of useful plug ins to not very many 😉



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…

Hear, hear. Most of the people I know that use Photoshop wouldn’t have a clue about how to use a channel or even any of the native filters. If it can’t be done with a single command by a third-party filter, they’re lost. They don’t realize how limited they are by not taking advantage of the abilities of the program itself.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Both of you are so correct, I am ashaimed at myself for being so lazy but I am rejuvinated at the "new" skills I have gained by going back to basics.

Big Craigie
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Hecate
Apr 12, 2005
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:16:26 +0100, "Big Craigie" wrote:

Both of you are so correct, I am ashaimed at myself for being so lazy but I am rejuvinated at the "new" skills I have gained by going back to basics.
<g> Hey, who likes to make work for themselves?

Good for you anyway. I always believe you never stop learning almost anything and if you think you have then you’re too stupid to realise you haven’t 😉



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
WO
Wizard of Draws
Apr 13, 2005
On 4/12/05 1:16 PM, in article d3gvps$s4q$, "Big
Craigie" spewed:

Both of you are so correct, I am ashaimed at myself for being so lazy but I am rejuvinated at the "new" skills I have gained by going back to basics.
Big Craigie

Great.
In most cases, you’ll also have an easier time making corrections if you need to go back and alter something that you’ve done using the basic skills.

I have a co-worker that can only use third party filters and creates entire projects in Photoshop, and when it comes back on the order of 15-20 times because the client is brain dead, he practically ends up re-creating the whole thing from scratch each time. I’ve pointed out where he’s making more work for himself for less quality and control over his work, but he’s found a comfort zone and it’s as far as he’ll go.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
http://www.cartoonclipart.com
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poza
Apr 13, 2005
dasher wrote:

Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

As someone else mentioned, it depends on what the main point of the course is to some extent.

However, I consider explaining how bitmaps work and how pixels can interact with each other (which is a big part of blending and using different modes) as quite important to understanding Photoshop. While one doesn’t have to understand the underlying mathematics of Photoshop, having at least some limited concept of how it works allows one to predict the outcome of nearly all commands and actions much more reliably.

For instance, it’s one thing to tell people that, of the sharpening options, unsharp mask is the best choice most of the time but it’s quite another for them to know what the filter is doing and how each setting is affecting the pixels.

It’s my feeling that teaching applications shouldn’t be about teaching how each tool, command or filter works but about how the application works on the whole. If you just teach them what this or that tool or command does, they would be just as well off studying the manual. If you give them a solid foundation in underlying concepts, they can take that with them throughout future versions of Photoshop and have a better understanding of the manual when they read more for themselves.

It would help if everything you taught was linked to a meaningful end result rather than as an academic lecture/exercise. It can all seem rather cyptic and meaningless if you just explain what each tool or mode does without showing why it’s useful.

For instance, you could start with a photograph with problems and lead the students through various actions in order to fix each problem with it as a way of helping them understand the basics.

You could include some more artistic/filter-based stuff toward the end but I’d do so with an eye toward teaching channels and how they work since there’s a lot of power in using them that tends to be ignored in favor of flashy filter use.

Two weeks probably isn’t long enough but it’d also really be useful if you could teach them about paths (and how they can be used in selections) and the difference between vectors and bitmaps. That’s something few people outside of graphics professionals ever get a handle on.

Orchid
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jscheimpflug
Apr 13, 2005
"Orchid" wrote in message
dasher wrote:

Hi all,
I am chasing some references. I am about to teach photoshop to first year high school students (2 weeks). Having used photoshop for about ten years, I tend to overlook just what beginners need to know about the application. I need some feedback on what people think are the essential basics of photoshop, that should be passed onto the students. Personal opinions, internet sites, newsgroups, books, would all be gratefully appreciated.
thanx dasher.

As someone else mentioned, it depends on what the main point of the course is to some extent.

However, I consider explaining how bitmaps work and how pixels can interact with each other (which is a big part of blending and using different modes) as quite important to understanding Photoshop. While one doesn’t have to understand the underlying mathematics of Photoshop, having at least some limited concept of how it works allows one to predict the outcome of nearly all commands and actions much more reliably.

For instance, it’s one thing to tell people that, of the sharpening options, unsharp mask is the best choice most of the time but it’s quite another for them to know what the filter is doing and how each setting is affecting the pixels.

It’s my feeling that teaching applications shouldn’t be about teaching how each tool, command or filter works but about how the application works on the whole. If you just teach them what this or that tool or command does, they would be just as well off studying the manual. If you give them a solid foundation in underlying concepts, they can take that with them throughout future versions of Photoshop and have a better understanding of the manual when they read more for themselves.
It would help if everything you taught was linked to a meaningful end result rather than as an academic lecture/exercise. It can all seem rather cyptic and meaningless if you just explain what each tool or mode does without showing why it’s useful.

For instance, you could start with a photograph with problems and lead the students through various actions in order to fix each problem with it as a way of helping them understand the basics.

You could include some more artistic/filter-based stuff toward the end but I’d do so with an eye toward teaching channels and how they work since there’s a lot of power in using them that tends to be ignored in favor of flashy filter use.

Two weeks probably isn’t long enough but it’d also really be useful if you could teach them about paths (and how they can be used in selections) and the difference between vectors and bitmaps. That’s something few people outside of graphics professionals ever get a handle on.

Orchid

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