Assigning a color profile in a Monaco calibrated system

David DeBar wrote:

I recently purchased the Monaco EZ color system with the Colorimeter. Now the color output matches what I see on the screen. When I load a picture file into Photoshop a "Missing Profile" box jumps up gives me three options:
Leave as is (don’t color manage)
Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
Assign profile: (A pulldown of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I have two monitors on my computer. My primary monitor is a digital Flat Panel (ViewSonic VP181) and a CRT (Sony Multiscan E400). I added the CRT to have a larger range of colors and to double the size of my desk top. I don’t know how I ever got along with only one monitor!

I have profiled both my monitors. My question is which of the above three color managment choices should I pick?

Thank you for any direction you can give me.

Your monitor profile(s) have little or nothing to do with the color space you use as your working space in Photoshop. Use AdobeRGB if your images will be printed (that is what you do right now), use sRGB if you work for the web.

In case of a missing profile, ideally you need to know what kind of images they are, so you can set the correct profile. If you have no idea where the image comes from or what color space it could be, you may as well assign your working space to it.

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"David DeBar" wrote in message

I recently purchased the Monaco EZ color system with the Colorimeter. Now the color output matches what I see on the screen. When I load a picture file into Photoshop a "Missing Profile" box jumps up gives me three

options:

Leave as is (don’t color manage)
Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
Assign profile: (A pulldown of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

Use the third one. If you don’t want Adobe RGB to be your working profile, then change that setting.
Jim

Jim wrote:

I recently purchased the Monaco EZ color system with the Colorimeter. Now the color output matches what I see on the screen. When I load a picture file into Photoshop a "Missing Profile" box jumps up gives me three options:

Leave as is (don’t color manage)
Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
Assign profile: (A pulldown of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

Use the third one. If you don’t want Adobe RGB to be your working profile, then change that setting.

More easily said than done. You can only use the third one if you know what the color space of the image should be in the first place.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

Hummm, two different answers to the same question. This probably happened because I did not ask the question properly or gave incomplete information. What I’m doing is the following:

I’m scanning 35mm color film using vuescan software. This program lets me save the image as a TIFF file. I then go into PS and load the Tiff file. This is when I get the three choices mentioned

1) Leave as is (don’t color manage)
2) Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
3) Assign profile: (A pull-down of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I just tried it all three way.

Options (1) and (2) both resulted in an image on the screen that was way too red.
Option (3) resulted in good looking colors when I assigned the profile for the CRT that I’m using to view the photo. I created the above "CRT" profile using Monaco. I was a bit confused. I thought that maybe I should use the scanner profile from which the file was created. It looks like you choose the profile for where the image is going to.

Thank you both for the help.

Dave

Vuescan lets you assign a profile upon output. Set Vuescan to output to your PS working space, apparently Adobe RGB (1998) according to your first post. Then use option 2) Assigning working RGB, Adobe RGB (1998).

Maris

David DeBar wrote:

Hummm, two different answers to the same question. This probably happened because I did not ask the question properly or gave incomplete information. What I’m doing is the following:
I’m scanning 35mm color film using vuescan software. This program lets me save the image as a TIFF file. I then go into PS and load the Tiff file. This is when I get the three choices mentioned
1) Leave as is (don’t color manage)
2) Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
3) Assign profile: (A pull-down of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I just tried it all three way.

Options (1) and (2) both resulted in an image on the screen that was way too red.
Option (3) resulted in good looking colors when I assigned the profile for the CRT that I’m using to view the photo. I created the above "CRT" profile using Monaco. I was a bit confused. I thought that maybe I should use the scanner profile from which the file was created. It looks like you choose the profile for where the image is going to.

Thank you both for the help.

Dave

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I thought that maybe I should use the
scanner profile from which the file was created. It looks like you choose the profile for where the image is going to.

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You should assign the scanner profile – and archive that … then get the file into your working space –
then, convert to other profiles from there

MSD

"David DeBar" wrote in message

Hummm, two different answers to the same question. This probably happened because I did not ask the question properly or gave incomplete

information.

What I’m doing is the following:

I’m scanning 35mm color film using vuescan software. This program lets me save the image as a TIFF file. I then go into PS and load the Tiff file. This is when I get the three choices mentioned

1) Leave as is (don’t color manage)
2) Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
3) Assign profile: (A pull-down of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I just tried it all three way.

Options (1) and (2) both resulted in an image on the screen that was way

too

red.
Option (3) resulted in good looking colors when I assigned the profile for the CRT that I’m using to view the photo. I created the above "CRT"

profile

using Monaco. I was a bit confused. I thought that maybe I should use

the

scanner profile from which the file was created. It looks like you choose the profile for where the image is going to.

Thank you both for the help.

Dave

In Vuescan, simply set it up to save the Tiff in AdobeRGB98, and make sure you have the correct monitor profile selected for viewing purposes *within* Vuescan. Thus, you won’t end up with a warning dialogue and everything will look the same in PS, assuming that you are using the same monitor profile. Your set-up in which you [apparently] have two separate monitors *and* profiles can be problematic – but more on that later.

The bottom line is you’re confusing your monitor profile for a "working color space." The reason you see this warning dialogue is because you have set up your Color Settings to do so: this is a *good* idea. If the file you’re bringing in doesn’t have a profile embedded in it, this is the warning you see; otoh, if it comes in embedded with a profile that is different from your working space, it will give you the option to leave it alone, convert it, or re-tag it with another profile.

My hunch is the source of this file is either a scanner or digi-cam, no? If you have a profile for the device, the *best* thing to do is to tag it with the profile, and then convert it to the RGB working color space of your choice. If you do not have a profile for the device that captured the image (as will likely be the case with Vuescan), the next best thing to do is to simply *convert* to that same RGB working color
space (usually AdobeRGB98 or sRGB, depending on how you set your Color Settings). Or, as I said, simply assign that colorspace in Vuescan and be done with it.

Either way, the purpose of this whole exercise is to end up in a neutral color space [i.e., grey balanced] with as little change to the appearance of the image as possible. If you use accurate profiles all the way through the work flow (input device>monitor>output device), and use a grey-balanced working color space, you will end up with images that require very few adjustments, *other than your creative edits.* In a nutshell, this is what color management is all about: WYIP is WYS is WYG.

Regarding your monitors, you must be using separate video cards for each otherwise you’d only have one profile that can be applied at any one time. What most folks do is to set up all the tools on the one that is either not profiled or is inactive, and assign the working canvas (the image itself) to the profiled monitor that PS is currently using. Check to see which monitor profile PS is using by going to Color Settings, Working Spaces RGB, then look at Monitor RGB – it’ll name the profile there that is currently active in PS. And, if Vuescan uses one monitor profile and PS uses another, you will be totally lost..so, make dead positive certain you have the same monitor profile (matched to the *correct* monitor) used all the way through your workflow.

Oh, and do yourself a big favor and buy a comprehensive Photoshop book. "Real World Photoshop" is a good one, but there are plenty of others as well.

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Wow, thanks Flycaster, for taking the time to provide a such a complete answer to my posted question. I will print out your responce and re-read and hope I can understand it. You seem to understand my problem and the equipment I’m attempting to get to work together. Yes, I have two video cards. My primary is driving an LCD flat panel and I use a digital cable and the direct digital input to my LCD screen. This provides a very crisp image. My second video card drives a CRT.
The CRT provides slightly brighter image and I have read that the colors are better with a CRT. I have both a flatbed scanner and a Nikon 35mm film scanner. I access both of these scanners via vuescan. I have gone through with Monaco EZcolor and created profiles for both my monitors and both my scanners using the colormeter mouse like thingy and IT8 targets. Using viewscan, I create TIFF files that I then open in PS. This is when I get the messages we have been talking about.

The colors on my monitors now match closly; the CRT is a little brighter, I think that is just the nature of CRTs vs LCDs. The color output of my Epson printer is very close to the colors I see on my monitors. The only problem remaining is the scanners. I have not tryed using my flat-bed scanner yet but I did make a color profile for it. I have got to learn how to set the color profile for my scanners to get consistent matching colors in PS.

I just checked as you instructed me, and under color setting, Working Spaces I see RGB: Adobe RGB (1998). everything is checked in the profile mismatch and missing profile.

Thank you for the help.

Dave

"Flycaster" wrote in message

"David DeBar" wrote in message

Hummm, two different answers to the same question. This probably

happened

because I did not ask the question properly or gave incomplete

information.

What I’m doing is the following:

I’m scanning 35mm color film using vuescan software. This program lets

me

save the image as a TIFF file. I then go into PS and load the Tiff

file.

This is when I get the three choices mentioned

1) Leave as is (don’t color manage)
2) Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
3) Assign profile: (A pull-down of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I just tried it all three way.

Options (1) and (2) both resulted in an image on the screen that was way

too

red.
Option (3) resulted in good looking colors when I assigned the profile

for

the CRT that I’m using to view the photo. I created the above "CRT"

profile

using Monaco. I was a bit confused. I thought that maybe I should use

the

scanner profile from which the file was created. It looks like you

choose

the profile for where the image is going to.

Thank you both for the help.

Dave

In Vuescan, simply set it up to save the Tiff in AdobeRGB98, and make sure you have the correct monitor profile selected for viewing purposes

*within*

Vuescan. Thus, you won’t end up with a warning dialogue and everything

will

look the same in PS, assuming that you are using the same monitor profile. Your set-up in which you [apparently] have two separate monitors *and* profiles can be problematic – but more on that later.

The bottom line is you’re confusing your monitor profile for a "working color space." The reason you see this warning dialogue is

because

you have set up your Color Settings to do so: this is a *good* idea. If

the

file you’re bringing in doesn’t have a profile embedded in it, this is the warning you see; otoh, if it comes in embedded with a profile that is different from your working space, it will give you the option to leave it alone, convert it, or re-tag it with another profile.

My hunch is the source of this file is either a scanner or digi-cam, no?

If

you have a profile for the device, the *best* thing to do is to tag it

with

the profile, and then convert it to the RGB working color space of your choice. If you do not have a profile for the device that captured the image (as will likely be the case with Vuescan), the next best thing to do is to simply *convert* to that same RGB working color
space (usually AdobeRGB98 or sRGB, depending on how you set your Color Settings). Or, as I said, simply assign that colorspace in Vuescan and be done with it.

Either way, the purpose of this whole exercise is to end up in a neutral color space [i.e., grey balanced] with as little change to the appearance

of

the image as possible. If you use accurate profiles all the way through

the

work flow (input device>monitor>output device), and use a grey-balanced working color space, you will end up with images that require very few adjustments, *other than your creative edits.* In a nutshell, this is

what

color management is all about: WYIP is WYS is WYG.

Regarding your monitors, you must be using separate video cards for each otherwise you’d only have one profile that can be applied at any one time. What most folks do is to set up all the tools on the one that is either not profiled or is inactive, and assign the working canvas (the

image

itself) to the profiled monitor that PS is currently using. Check to see which monitor profile PS is using by going to Color Settings, Working

Spaces

RGB, then look at Monitor RGB – it’ll name the profile there that is currently active in PS. And, if Vuescan uses one monitor profile and PS uses another, you will be totally lost..so, make dead positive certain you have the same monitor profile (matched to the *correct* monitor) used all the way through your workflow.

Oh, and do yourself a big favor and buy a comprehensive Photoshop book. "Real World Photoshop" is a good one, but there are plenty of others as well.

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"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

Vuescan lets you assign a profile upon output. Set Vuescan to output to your PS working space, apparently Adobe RGB (1998) according to your first post. Then use option 2) Assigning working RGB, Adobe RGB (1998).

If he does this, as I have suggested, he won’t need to use any options since no warning dialogue will come up. It’ll just open.

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Problem has gone away. I did as you suggested. I set Vuescan to assign a profile upon output and I set Vuescan to output to my PS working space. It all works now. I’m no longer getting messages when I load newly created TIFF files created in Vuescan. Thank you to all who responded.

Dave

"David DeBar" wrote in message

I recently purchased the Monaco EZ color system with the Colorimeter. Now the color output matches what I see on the screen. When I load a picture file into Photoshop a "Missing Profile" box jumps up gives me three

options:

Leave as is (don’t color manage)
Assign working RGB: Adobe RGB (1998)
Assign profile: (A pulldown of many profiles appears here.)
[] and then convert document to working RGB

I have two monitors on my computer. My primary monitor is a digital Flat Panel (ViewSonic VP181) and a CRT (Sony Multiscan E400). I added the CRT

to

have a larger range of colors and to double the size of my desk top. I don’t know how I ever got along with only one monitor!

I have profiled both my monitors. My question is which of the above three color managment choices should I pick?

Thank you for any direction you can give me.

Dave