What is it with Levels? Is it really the poor relation?

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Feb 27, 2004
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It seems to me that many experts look on Levels as the poor relation to Curves.

I find the Levels command very useful and easy to use, and it has often solved all my photo correction problems. Also, unlike Curves, Levels shows a histogram. However, so far as I can see, Levels is not listed in the index of the 352 page printed Photoshop CS User Guide, and if you manage to find the reference to the Levels Command, it only gets a 12 word description,

I have lots of books on Photoshop, and have studied Channel Chops, Photoshop Color Correction and Professional Photoshop very carefully, I think. But none of these books mention that if you ALT (Mac OPTION) CLICK on the white slider triangle while making adjustments in Levels you will see (if the Preview box is checked) those parts of the image that will be clipped. And the same with the black triangle.

There are also procedures outlined in the online help to calibrate the black, grey and white eyedroppers to suit your requirements for each image you work on..

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Robert Feinman
Feb 27, 2004
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It seems to me that many experts look on Levels as the poor relation to Curves.

I find the Levels command very useful and easy to use, and it has often solved all my photo correction problems. Also, unlike Curves, Levels shows a histogram. However, so far as I can see, Levels is not listed in the index of the 352 page printed Photoshop CS User Guide, and if you manage to find the reference to the Levels Command, it only gets a 12 word description,

I have lots of books on Photoshop, and have studied Channel Chops, Photoshop Color Correction and Professional Photoshop very carefully, I think. But none of these books mention that if you ALT (Mac OPTION) CLICK on the white slider triangle while making adjustments in Levels you will see (if the Preview box is checked) those parts of the image that will be clipped. And the same with the black triangle.
There are also procedures outlined in the online help to calibrate the black, grey and white eyedroppers to suit your requirements for each image you work on..

John
You can do the same thing as levels with curves, but not the reverse. To adjust the end points you just move the black and white points in the curves inward. To adjust the middle point you move the curve at the 127 brightness.
Under photoshop CS you can view histograms while using curves or any other adjustment.
Levels has one feature that is still unique, the ability to see clipping as you slide the end points by holding down the ALT key as you move the sliders.


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Bryce
Feb 27, 2004
Thanks John. I learned something today.

"John" wrote in message
It seems to me that many experts look on Levels as the poor relation to Curves.

I find the Levels command very useful and easy to use, and it has often solved all my photo correction problems. Also, unlike Curves, Levels shows a histogram. However, so far as I can see, Levels is not listed in the index of the 352 page printed Photoshop CS User Guide, and if you manage to find the reference to the Levels Command, it only gets a 12 word description,

I have lots of books on Photoshop, and have studied Channel Chops, Photoshop Color Correction and Professional Photoshop very carefully, I think. But none of these books mention that if you ALT (Mac OPTION) CLICK on the white slider triangle while making adjustments in Levels you will see (if the Preview box is checked) those parts of the image that will be clipped. And the same with the black triangle.
There are also procedures outlined in the online help to calibrate the black, grey and white eyedroppers to suit your requirements for each image you work on..

John

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JP Kabala
Feb 28, 2004
Actually, I knew this (can’t remember where I learned it– Probably McClelland
or Willmore) but it reminds me of one of the things I dislike most about Adobe software– useful "secret handshake" features that are programmed in but not documented anywhere–or if they are documented, it’s so well hidden it would take an Act of Congress to unearth it.

This isn’t the only example. I’d bet every power user here knows at least one.

Why bother to code things if you’re not going
to make them accessible?

"Bryce" wrote in message
Thanks John. I learned something today.

"John" wrote in message
It seems to me that many experts look on Levels as the poor relation to Curves.

I find the Levels command very useful and easy to use, and it has often solved all my photo correction problems. Also, unlike Curves, Levels shows a histogram. However, so far as I can see, Levels is not listed in the index of the 352 page printed Photoshop CS User Guide, and if you manage to find the reference to the Levels Command, it only gets a 12 word description,

I have lots of books on Photoshop, and have studied Channel Chops, Photoshop Color Correction and Professional Photoshop very carefully, I think. But none of these books mention that if you ALT (Mac OPTION) CLICK on the white slider triangle while making adjustments in Levels you will see (if the Preview box is checked) those parts of the image that will be clipped. And the same with the black triangle.
There are also procedures outlined in the online help to calibrate the black, grey and white eyedroppers to suit your requirements for each image you work on..

John

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Hecate
Feb 28, 2004
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:18:07 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

Actually, I knew this (can’t remember where I learned it– Probably McClelland
or Willmore) but it reminds me of one of the things I dislike most about Adobe software– useful "secret handshake" features that are programmed in but not documented anywhere–or if they are documented, it’s so well hidden it would take an Act of Congress to unearth it.

This isn’t the only example. I’d bet every power user here knows at least one.

Why bother to code things if you’re not going
to make them accessible?
To make every new working day a time of adventure and excitement as you try to work out how to do things….. 😉



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
JK
JP Kabala
Feb 28, 2004
You mean they’re somehow related to my ex ?

He thought being secretive, difficult and obtuse
was somehow charming and endearing, too! LOL

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:18:07 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:
Actually, I knew this (can’t remember where I learned it– Probably McClelland
or Willmore) but it reminds me of one of the things I dislike most about Adobe software– useful "secret handshake" features that are programmed
in
but not documented anywhere–or if they are documented, it’s so well
hidden
it would take an Act of Congress to unearth it.

This isn’t the only example. I’d bet every power user here knows at
least
one.

Why bother to code things if you’re not going
to make them accessible?
To make every new working day a time of adventure and excitement as you try to work out how to do things….. 😉



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
H
Hecate
Feb 29, 2004
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:02:14 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

You mean they’re somehow related to my ex ?

He thought being secretive, difficult and obtuse
was somehow charming and endearing, too! LOL
Well, look at the names on the programmers roll in the software – mainly men 😉



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
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Mike Russell
Mar 7, 2004
John wrote:
It seems to me that many experts look on Levels as the poor relation to Curves.

Curves can do everything levels can, and more. For a tool, if that’s not a poor relation, what would be?

I find the Levels command very useful and easy to use, and it has often solved all my photo correction problems.

Me too. Until I discovered curves.

Also, unlike Curves, Levels shows a histogram.

This has often been mentioned, and its strange that Adobe has never addressed this. Curvemeister 1.1, due for release this week, has an option to add a histogram to its curve interface. That said, histograms can simply be a distraction.

However, so far as I can see, Levels is not
listed in the index of the 352 page printed Photoshop CS User Guide, and if you manage to find the reference to the Levels Command, it only gets a 12 word description,

I have lots of books on Photoshop, and have studied Channel Chops, Photoshop Color Correction and Professional Photoshop very carefully, I think. But none of these books mention that if you ALT (Mac OPTION) CLICK on the white slider triangle while making adjustments in Levels you will see (if the Preview box is checked) those parts of the image that will be clipped. And the same with the black triangle.

I liked this feature so much I added it to Curvemeister.

There are also procedures outlined in the online help to calibrate the black, grey and white eyedroppers to suit your requirements for each image you work on.

These are "set and forget" parameters. Configuring the eyedroppers this way, if it is even possible, is never done.

Having said all that, I still use levels for when scanning text and line art to set the paper and ink values.


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