How to Get Brioso Pro "Ornament" Glyphs Under PS-CS?

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P._Grig
Jan 25, 2004
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(I tried this over on the Typography group, but no dice…OK PS gurus, your turn :-)…)

I have just purchased the Brioso Pro optical fonts, and am figuring out how to use them in Photoshop CS. So far, so good (I am a newbie with font use), but I can’t figure out how to access the ornament glyphs under PS-CS. There is an option on the Character palette flyout, which I have checked, but how do I see the ornament glyphs and select them (there’s no Glyph Palette in PS, as I gather there is in In-Design). The User Guide under the Brioso page at Adobe’s website says that PS-CS (but NOT Indesign ??) can produce these glyphs.

Any help much appreciated!
-PaulG

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ID._Awe
Jan 25, 2004
It can produce the glyphs, but not as easily as they can be produced in InDesign.
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P._Grig
Jan 25, 2004
OK. Please, ID.Awe, could you share your understanding of how how PS-CS can do this? -Tnx
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Phosphor
Jan 25, 2004
Have you displayed that font using your system’s Character Map utility, Paul?

That could be your answer. Kind of inconvenient, I know, but it should get you what you want.
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P._Grig
Jan 25, 2004
Thank you, Phosphor. Yes, I have used the Character Map, and you’re right–that is a solution, but exceedingly tedious :-). I believe there is a way of "typing" the ornaments directly from PS-CS. There is a menu item for them…I just have no idea how it works. The Adobe Help and font package docs. are silent on this.

P.S. The Typography Forum seems to indicate the 40-font $350 Brioso package is FREE as an "on line registration incentive" when one buys the CS suite. Looks like I’ll be "re-programming" my purchase.
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Phosphor
Jan 25, 2004
Ahhh, OK…haven’t bought any CS products yet. But it does look like a dang nice font family.
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Robert_Levine
Jan 25, 2004
P.S. The Typography Forum seems to indicate the 40-font $350 Brioso package is FREE as an "on line registration incentive" when one buys the CS suite. Looks like I’ll be "re-programming" my purchase.

I was going to point that out, but I figured it wasn’t going to make you feel very good. If there’s still time to do it, get your money back on both purchases and buy the suite.

Bob
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P._Grig
Jan 25, 2004
Thanks Bob–yes, there’s time, but I’m still way confused on OpenType fonts. I have the 40 Brioso fonts installed on my XP system, but only a few of them (apparently NOT the bold and italic varieties) show up on my Character Maps. However all 40 seem to work beautifully in PS-CS, adding flourishes like special ligatures and swashes to the characters when one accesses the Character Palette flyout and turns these features on or off as groups.

It appears InDesign may make this even easier and more flexible, adding something called an OpenType Palette, but I haven’t seen InDesign yet.

Now I’d like to be able to do multi-page letters and flyers using these features…see my post below on PS/InDesign integration and whether I need this…I’m real unsure. I’ve called Abobe Customer Service several times over the past week, but all they do is "take down my information", saying "a Specialist will call me". So far, no calls and no joy. Zounds! And all I want to do is spend money with them! Anyone from Adobe ever look at these posts?
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Robert_Levine
Jan 25, 2004
The demo for ID 2.0 can be downloaded from Adobe’s site. The demo for CS isn’t available yet. However, the text engine hasn’t really changed in any way that would keep you from getting a real good idea of what ID can do with opentype fonts.

Bob
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P._Grig
Jan 26, 2004
Thank you Bob!

I never would have thought of looking under InDesign 2.0 for a downloadable, and even after you suggested it, I had a hard time finding it. By the way, it’s off the main Adobe page at Support>Downloads>Tryouts>InDesign. But download is now complete, and yes, I think joy approacheth. With InDesign, I seem to be able to access the full elegance of the Brioso fonts, and they look *sharp* ! Now I need to wade through the InDesign Help sections to figure out how this package works (I am only a Word user, not a Pagemaker-level guy). But I think I’ll get it after a bit…the paradigm of pages, frames, flowing text, etc. is a little unexpected, but I’ll figure it out.

Thanks again!
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ID._Awe
Jan 28, 2004
Sorry, busy, I was going to suggest the Character Map, but it does not cut and paste under WIN2K as you would expect. I don’t have Photoshop CS so I am surprised that the Open Type support was not implemented as it is in Illustrator/InDesign CS.

Another good reason to skip CS offerings at this point.

I have Illustrator CS because I got a good deal on Ill 10 and upgraded for the shipping costs which was well worth the price for the fonts on the disk. (Cost less than a regular CS upgrade and I now have the backward compatibility of 10).
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Scott_Byer
Jan 28, 2004
There are some character points have multiple glyphs associated with them, and some of those glyphs can only be had if you have a specific OpenType table active. The Ornaments glyphs will show if that OpenType feature is set on characters which have alternate Ornaments glyphs.

To activate Ornaments, you can select the appropriate range of text and select that item in the Character Palette flyout menu. Because there is no glyph palette in Photoshop CS, you’ll need to know which characters have Ornaments alternative glyphs.

An alternate way of obtaining the character if you have Illustrator CS is to use Illustrator’s Glyphs Palette to get the glyphs into a text object in Illustrator, cut it, click with the type tool in Photoshop and paste. If you aren’t in the middle of an active text edit when you paste, Photoshop will try and paste the type as a raster image – not what you want in this case.

-Scott

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