How to write from right to left using arabic characters

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Tue, 03 February 2004 03:28 Go to next message
mlmatute (Photoshop begginer)
Hello! I'm trying to compose a text in arabic, and I have found the characters but now, when I start to write, the symbols go from left to right and not on the other way which is the arabic one.
How can I write in Photosop from right to left???
Thank you
Tue, 03 February 2004 04:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mlmatute (Photoshop begginer)
Thank you LenHewitt,
Could you please explain me now, which are the mirror fonts? and Where can I get them?
thank you so much again.
Tue, 03 February 2004 04:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LenHewitt (Photoshop expert)
Only by purchasing a copy of Photoshop ME (Middle Eastern) or by using a
'mirror font'
Tue, 03 February 2004 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<mlmatute@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you LenHewitt,
> Could you please explain me now, which are the mirror fonts? and Where can
I get them?
> thank you so much again.

It is a pain, but I compose Hebrew by setting Flush Right and typing
backwards, that is last letter first and so forth. There is also a word
processor dedicated to the Hebrew and Arabic languages that is relatively
inexpensive. When I locate the link, I'll post it here. You could compose
your text, then copy and paste into PS. I do not do large volumes of Hebrew,
so I use the first method. I am considering acquiring the word processor I
mentioned as I recall the price being very reasonable.
Tue, 03 February 2004 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<mlmatute@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> Hello! I'm trying to compose a text in arabic, and I have found the
characters but now, when I start to write, the symbols go from left to right
and not on the other way which is the arabic one.
> How can I write in Photosop from right to left???
> Thank you

Sorry, but I was confusing two products, Dagesh Pro and Hebrew at Your Ease.
Dagesh Pro is a Hebrew language word processor and the other program is
learning Hebrew for Arabic speakers. If some one has a need for the word
processor, the link is
http://www.israel-catalog.com/BuildaGate4/general2/data_card .php?U=no
Since Dagesh does right left text, maybe with a different font set it could
be adapted to Arab languages?
Tue, 03 February 2004 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
barry_gray (Photoshop expert)
write backwards?
Tue, 03 February 2004 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don_McCahill (Photoshop expert)
A mirror font is one that works backwards, with the idea that your create your text left to right, with this font, and then flip the entire thing when you are done. I know it is used a lot in Hebrew by people wanting to avoid the cost of the Middle East version of Photoshop. I'm not sure what arabic fonts of this type are available.

Try searching google for "arabic mirror fonts"
Tue, 03 February 2004 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<barry_gray@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> write backwards?

..siht ekil fo dnik ,seY

In Hebrew, and Arabic, the letters are meant to be read Right to Left, so my
example above look really strange. Imagine if the characters and punctuation
had been flipped as a mirror image. The you would have no trouble reading
the text. In my example above, the words would represent the equivalent of
Flush Right in Hebrew. That is why I compose the text in English Flush Right
and then I can start at the Top Right of the page and it looks correct in
Hebrew.

As I do more, it is becoming too much of a pain. I may have to breakdown and
get Dagesh Pro. The alternative is using my Wacom Intuos graphics tablet and
lettering by hand with either a brush tool or a pencil. My Hebrew printing
is better than my American, or so my teacher tells me, but it does not look
anything like type set.
Tue, 03 February 2004 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<Don_McCahill@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> A mirror font is one that works backwards, with the idea that your create
your text left to right, with this font, and then flip the entire thing when
you are done. I know it is used a lot in Hebrew by people wanting to avoid
the cost of the Middle East version of Photoshop. I'm not sure what arabic
fonts of this type are available.
>
> Try searching google for "arabic mirror fonts"

You also might post a request to
alt.binaries.fonts
or
comp.fonts

I've found both useful for locating hard to find fonts.

For $$$ you might try
http://www.fonts.com/default.asp?GTSE=GOOG&GTKW=free+fon ts
http://www.graphxedge.com/fonts/
http://www.philsfonts.com/
http://www.adobe.com

I'm sure there are other sources, but these are some that I've used. I have
not searched for Arabic fonts, but many of these did have international
fonts
Wed, 11 February 2004 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
remarkble (Photoshop begginer)
Arabic fonts would not function in mirror mode. Arabic and Farsi would have to be used within Adobe Middle Eastern software. This is because Arabic is a complex script based language, and it's characters change according to its position within the word. I suggest using Adobe ME.
Wed, 11 February 2004 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<remarkble@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> Arabic fonts would not function in mirror mode. Arabic and Farsi would
have to be used within Adobe Middle Eastern software. This is because Arabic
is a complex script based language, and it's characters change according to
its position within the word. I suggest using Adobe ME.

A less expensive alternative might be Dagesh Pro IV. See the review and
product description below (watch for line wrap)

http://www.jewishsoftware.com/products/52.asp?bhcd2=10765397 38

According to the review, Dagesh Pro supports Hebrew and Arabic languages in
a native format and is adaptable to other non-English languages as well. The
article also cites using Dagesh pro and, to quote from the review, "... a
function for copy visual to transport Hebrew text to other word processors
or to QuarkXPress or a comparable graphic program working with Latin fonts;
copy visual allows you to type up a file and import it into most graphics
programs, such as Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator, and then format the text
to fit around photos and images."

After debating for a while and researching other products, I decided to
order this one. I'll keep the group posted on how it works with the Adobe
Creative Suite product line.
Wed, 11 February 2004 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alpha_Papa (Advanced Photoshop user)
I do know that with Windows XP it is possible to load a language via Control Panel > Regional and Language Options > Languages > Details > Add (and there's a bit of Arabic there).

Once this is achieved you can then fire up the keyboard to go from right to left via the Language Bar - set up a hot key toggle and it should work. What You'll probably need is a keyboard map to follow the keys along whilst in this alternate mode.

Copying and pasting to this text, say from Word to PS should be easy. However, I'm not sure of the ease in reformatting this text once in PS or changing the font.

Adam.
Thu, 12 February 2004 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gustavo_Sanchez (Advanced Photoshop user)
"Copying and pasting to this text, say from Word to PS should be easy."

For Arabic script, it's not. I am afraid things are the way remarkble said. Better get a ME version until Adobe complies fully with Unicode standards... And that could be quite difficult and expensive to do (and it may be not 1st priority in their list).

Gustavo Sánchez

Posted from Spain (old Al-Andalus)
Thu, 12 February 2004 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<Gustavo_Sanchez@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> "Copying and pasting to this text, say from Word to PS should be easy."
>
> For Arabic script, it's not. I am afraid things are the way remarkble
said. Better get a ME version until Adobe complies fully with Unicode
standards... And that could be quite difficult and expensive to do (and it
may be not 1st priority in their list).
>
> Gustavo Sánchez
>
> Posted from Spain (old Al-Andalus)

I'll let you know. I'm willing to take a gamble on this product as I have
other uses for it even if it does not allow passing information to CS
products.
Thu, 12 February 2004 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
"Tin Ear" <TinEar@MusicMan.com> wrote in message
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>
> <Gustavo_Sanchez@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
> news:2ccfbee4.6@webx.la2eafNXanI...
> > "Copying and pasting to this text, say from Word to PS should be easy."
> >
> > For Arabic script, it's not. I am afraid things are the way remarkble
> said. Better get a ME version until Adobe complies fully with Unicode
> standards... And that could be quite difficult and expensive to do (and it
> may be not 1st priority in their list).
> >
> > Gustavo Sánchez
> >
> > Posted from Spain (old Al-Andalus)
>
> I'll let you know. I'm willing to take a gamble on this product as I have
> other uses for it even if it does not allow passing information to CS
> products.
>
I just found out at Adobe's User to User Forum Dagesh won't work for what I
wanted to do. Oh, well, back to werbeH ni yrtne txet sdrawkcab for short
passages. Longer documents will have to wait for another solution. Maybe I
will have to spend the money for the ME version of InDesign or PhotoShop
:-{(}
Thu, 12 February 2004 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott_Byer (Photoshop expert)
No, it doesn't have much to do with Unicode. Photoshop CS is fully
Unicode 3.2 compliant for entering and pasting text. The problem here
is some of the contextual forms may not have Unicode code points, and
are accessible only as alternative glyphs, which won't come across in a
paste.

-Scott
Thu, 12 February 2004 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gustavo_Sanchez (Advanced Photoshop user)
Scott,

Thanks for that precise information. It's a pleasure to stand corrected by you.

Then, may we think that Microsoft Word --for example, to avoid internal questions about Adobe software-- is making some kind of non exactly truly Unicode 'magic' to achieve contextual glyph forms (letters) in Arabic script?

Thanks :)
Fri, 13 February 2004 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott_Byer (Photoshop expert)
> Then, may we think that Microsoft Word --for example, to avoid internal questions about Adobe software-- is making some kind of non exactly truly Unicode 'magic' to achieve contextual glyph forms (letters) in Arabic script?

Yup. They probably have additional an Arabic script engine to handle
the contextual glyph issues.

-Scott
Tue, 17 February 2004 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
remarkble (Photoshop begginer)
You can use Word/Windows XP with Arabic, if word processing is what you require. To install Arabic support for WinXP, go to Start > Help/Support and type 'Arabic'. This will explain how to activate Arabic support.

Once activated, programs like MS-Word/XP and Adobe ME software can handle Arabic. Use default MS Font or one of the bundled Arabic fonts included with Adobe-ME software.

This approach is all based upon Unicode encoding, which can add additional benefits with ME software.
Tue, 17 February 2004 14:14 Go to previous message
Tin Ear (Advanced Photoshop user)
<remarkble@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
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> You can use Word/Windows XP with Arabic, if word processing is what you
require. To install Arabic support for WinXP, go to Start > Help/Support and
type 'Arabic'. This will explain how to activate Arabic support.
>
> Once activated, programs like MS-Word/XP and Adobe ME software can handle
Arabic. Use default MS Font or one of the bundled Arabic fonts included with
Adobe-ME software.
>
> This approach is all based upon Unicode encoding, which can add additional
benefits with ME software.

Thanks! You helped a lot with a perplexing problem.
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