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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:21 Go to next message
aka 717 (Advanced Photoshop user)
I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements
for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual.
I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but
I can't even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use
it, especially with actions, etc...

I'm not seeing anything special about Premiere Elements, so maybe
I'd have been better off to upgrade to Photoshop CS ... ?
Mon, 17 October 2005 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim (Photoshop expert)
"aka 717" <no@spam.net> wrote in message
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>I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements
> for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual.
> I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but
> I can't even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use
> it, especially with actions, etc...
Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces
Photoshop 6. So, if you have either one, you don't need the other.
Jim
Mon, 17 October 2005 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger Whitehead (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <JcO4f.17101$6e1.10004@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
> Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces
> Photoshop 6.

Yes to the first but no to the second, I'd say. PS6 has some features not
included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record
actions. I've kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.

--

Roger
Mon, 17 October 2005 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim (Photoshop expert)
"Roger Whitehead" <rogergw@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <JcO4f.17101$6e1.10004@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
>> Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces
>> Photoshop 6.
>
> Yes to the first but no to the second, I'd say. PS6 has some features not
> included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record
> actions. I've kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.
>
> --
>
> Roger
>
Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.
Jim
Mon, 17 October 2005 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger Whitehead (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <UGQ4f.17117$6e1.6626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
> Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.

Inarguable. 8-)

--

Roger
Mon, 17 October 2005 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Russell (Photoshop expert)
"Roger Whitehead" <rogergw@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <UGQ4f.17117$6e1.6626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
>> Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.
>
> Inarguable. 8-)

For the most part. It does not support Lab, CMYK, or curves, so I would
keep PS6 around if that is an option.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
Tue, 18 October 2005 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Palmateer (Photoshop begginer)
Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch's
PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted.
For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit.
Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can't.
(Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2,
even though I know i don't really really need it.) Ken






>> In article <UGQ4f.17117$6e1.6626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
>>> Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.
>>
>> Inarguable. 8-)
>
>For the most part. It does not support Lab, CMYK, or curves, so I would
>keep PS6 around if that is an option.
Tue, 18 October 2005 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Russell (Photoshop expert)
"Ken Palmateer" <kenpalmateer@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch's
> PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted.
> For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit.
> Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can't.
> (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2,
> even though I know i don't really really need it.) Ken

Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16
bit mode.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
Tue, 18 October 2005 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Walter Donavan (Photoshop expert)
CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his
software.

"Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken Palmateer" <kenpalmateer@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:sedal1tpf5tbf0dfkhufinh2otlgn2lvgr@4ax.com...
> >
> > Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch's
> > PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted.
> > For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit.
> > Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can't.
> > (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2,
> > even though I know i don't really really need it.) Ken
>
> Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16
> bit mode.
> --
>
> Mike Russell
> www.curvemeister.com
>
>
Tue, 18 October 2005 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Du Plessis (Advanced Photoshop user)
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:11:01 -0400, "Walterius" <invalid@nowhere.not>
wrote:

>CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his
>software.
>

So what! Mike Russel is of more value to this groups than you
top posters that do not even know which side of a letter to respond
to.

Dave
Tue, 18 October 2005 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Russell (Photoshop expert)
"Walterius" <invalid@nowhere.not> wrote in message
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> CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug
> his
> software.

LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great
gift for that special someone!
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
Tue, 18 October 2005 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger Whitehead (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <82qal19n96bmcr02riaofb9rr96rn4nfp7@4ax.com>, Dd wrote:
> So what! Mike Russel is of more value to this groups than you
> top posters that do not even know which side of a letter to respond
> to.

I'd rather people put their new material at the top than repeat all the
previous message(s) before adding his or her words.

In the days when people generally trimmed the quoted material to a couple
of lines or so, top-posting was perhaps a faux pas. These days, when most
users are too lazy, ignorant or arrogant to bother editing the quotes, top
posting makes good sense. One doesn't then have to scroll through yards of
irrelevant matter to get to the new content.

Roger
Wed, 19 October 2005 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Thomas (Photoshop expert)
Roger Whitehead <rogergw@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>These days, when most
>users are too lazy, ignorant or arrogant to bother editing the quotes, top
>posting makes good sense. One doesn't then have to scroll through yards of
>irrelevant matter to get to the new content.

Ah, there's some great logic. Because "lazy, ignorant or aggogant"
posters don't follow reasonalbe Usenet etiquette it's OK for those who
know better to do it also. I guess it would never occur to some
people that doing things properly sets an example for the less
experienced to follow.
------------------
Tom

Unsolicited advertisements cheerfully ignored.
Wed, 19 October 2005 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger Whitehead (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <7chcl1h8oiue1n4i3rrtkcbqokoem2983c@4ax.com>, Tom Thomas wrote:
> I guess it would never occur to some
> people that doing things properly sets an example for the less
> experienced to follow.

Nice theory but it hasn't worked. Just look around you.

Top-posting acknowledges the reality of today's newsgroups, not some
imagined ideal.

--

Roger
Wed, 19 October 2005 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Thomas (Photoshop expert)
Roger Whitehead <rogergw@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Top-posting acknowledges the reality of today's newsgroups, not some
>imagined ideal.

I guess that's one perspective. Personally, I think it has more to do
with the number of people using Outlook Express as a news client. It
basically encourages top posting since it behaves as most email
clients do ... placing the new text above the original message.

Wrong tool, wrong result.
------------------
Tom

Unsolicited advertisements cheerfully ignored.
Wed, 19 October 2005 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger Whitehead (Advanced Photoshop user)
In article <t0ncl11d36bq93kpent6psu7rufgsll0tu@4ax.com>, Tom Thomas wrote:
> Personally, I think it has more to do
> with the number of people using Outlook Express as a news client.

I agree. The difficulty arises in large measure because M$ doesn't go out
of its way to tell people how to use it in a civilised manner. They thus
remain in a state of ignorance.

It can easily be set up not to repeat everything.

--

Roger
Wed, 19 October 2005 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Du Plessis (Advanced Photoshop user)
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:54:22 GMT, "Mike Russell"
<RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:


>LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great
>gift for that special someone!


....for incase it is a Toyota Corolla, I want to be in line, Mike.
Must be beige remember...

Dave
Sat, 29 October 2005 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aka 717 (Advanced Photoshop user)
I've played with this some since my last post.
I love the organizer. It's worth the $75. And
Premiere Elements opens VOB files and saves
them as mpg or avi which is something that my
$500 Media Studio Pro won't. Maybe I should
have bought the CS upgrade and still might
later, but I'm pretty darn happy with Elements 4.

Sorry about the top post.

"aka 717" <no@spam.net> wrote in message
news:0NE4f.7080$eW1.2973@okepread04...
>I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements
> for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual.
> I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but
> I can't even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use
> it, especially with actions, etc...
>
> I'm not seeing anything special about Premiere Elements, so maybe
> I'd have been better off to upgrade to Photoshop CS ... ?
>
>
>
Sat, 29 October 2005 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aka 717 (Advanced Photoshop user)
As far as actions go, does CS or CS2 have a better interfact
for the actions menu? I like button mode but getting the
menu to have the buttons in the right place with a good color
code is kind of a pain and there should be a lot more shortcut
keys, don't you think? They could use control-alphabet if they
chose to, no?

"Roger Whitehead" <rogergw@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00000498.0021b507@ntlworld.com...
> In article <JcO4f.17101$6e1.10004@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Jim wrote:
>> Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces
>> Photoshop 6.
>
> Yes to the first but no to the second, I'd say. PS6 has some features not
> included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record
> actions. I've kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.
>
> --
>
> Roger
>
Sat, 29 October 2005 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aka 717 (Advanced Photoshop user)
How much does it cost? I'll gove you $10 right now
for the special ng price. : -) I could even go a little
higher.

"Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
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> "Walterius" <invalid@nowhere.not> wrote in message
> news:ewd5f.85491$5l.41344@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug
>> his
>> software.
>
> LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great
> gift for that special someone!
> --
> Mike Russell
> www.curvemeister.com
>
>
Sun, 30 October 2005 08:03 Go to previous message
Brian (Photoshop expert)
Walterius wrote:
> CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his
> software.
>
> "Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
> news:MVb5f.3387$tV6.3299@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>
>>"Ken Palmateer" <kenpalmateer@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>news:sedal1tpf5tbf0dfkhufinh2otlgn2lvgr@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch's
>>>PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted.
>>>For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit.
>>>Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can't.
>>>(Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2,
>>>even though I know i don't really really need it.) Ken
>>
>>Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16
>>bit mode.
>>--
>>
>>Mike Russell
>>www.curvemeister.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
If you have ever taken any notice, Mike is one of the friendliest and
most helpful people in this NG. He always gives friendly detailed
responses, even to questions that others ignore as they feel the
question was too basic. And no, I wasn't paid to say that :-)

Brian.
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