Adobe CS freezes up after installing plugins……

JJ
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John_J_Andrews
Feb 9, 2004
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I installed a list of 3rd party plugins to the plugin folder and now when i try to start up photoshop cs it freezes at ‘scanning for plugins…’

I then figured it was becuz these plugins dont’ work with CS so i took them out of the plugins folder and uninstalled them but now i still get the same problem. Photoshop CS won’t even open now!!!

What should i do? Do i need to re-install photoshop? was it becuz i installed plugins that were old and not supported by CS? How do i know if a plugin is supported by CS?

thanks,
-John

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dave_milbut
Feb 9, 2004
try this john:

Mathias Vejerslev "How to delete/reset Photoshop preferences" 2/11/03 12:04pm </cgi-bin/webx?50>
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wistful
Feb 9, 2004
I have almost every plugin you can think of installed, and yes there are problems in starting Photoshop CS as a result. The program demands to take over the system at that point. However, when I had only half as many plugins installed, the result was the same. Right now, it takes about 5-7 minutes for the program to finish loading. The way I set up my plugins is that I have a separate folder that both PSP8 and Photoshop CS8 and use. In that folder are the plugins that don’t require an `install`. In the real plugins folder for each program, I have those plugins that do require an install. It’s about as neat and organized as one could get with plugins. Comparing them, PSP8 open up within 45 seconds and uses all the same plugins as Photoshop, go figure. Photoshop CS claims that all previous plugins won’t work, but I found that not to be the case. I found that Extensis had a few problems, but other than that, all seemed to work just fine. I’d be very surprised if Adobe’s efforts were deliberate in that all prior plugins would not be compatable unless they are trying to minimize the list of illegal installs for both Photoshop and the plugin companies — who knows … *shrugs* To answer your specific question, I have only reinstalled Photoshop CS8 one time. It didn’t make any difference. My suggestion is that if you want to keep all of your plugins, then be prepared to walk away from the computer whilst the program is attempting to load everything, and don’t have anything else running. With my XP system, all is fine once Photoshop CS finally opens! 🙂 It’s the waiting for it to open fully that makes you want to smash up your computer!

Princess
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dave_milbut
Feb 9, 2004
paula, remove anything but actual plugin files from your cs plugin folder and watch the load fly. some plugin throw GIGS of junk in there (patters, swatches, etc). move them all to some neutral ground (sounds like you know how to do that since you’ve set up well for sharing plugins with psp). the adobe guys said they had to change the way cs reads and loads the plugins from disk because of ms xp logo requirements.
JJ
John_J_Andrews
Feb 10, 2004
I tried to erase the preferences, but i’m still encountering the same problem. it says "scanning for plugins" and then it stops loading the program and when i hit ctrl+alt+delete and look at the application status it says "NOT RESPONDING" so i end task it. I can’t figure out why it’s still doing this becuz i removed all the plugins from the plugins folder that i had dragged and dropped into there. None of them were plugins that i had to install…

this is strange… any more ideas on why it’s not responding or what i should do?
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Chris_Cox
Feb 10, 2004
Try letting it run for a while and see if it loads at all.

Most likely Photoshop is still finding a lot of plugins (or unnecessary files) and taking a long time to launch.

If so, you need to move the remaining files out.
BR
ben_rr
Feb 10, 2004
John J.

This maybe unrelated but did you look at your Preferences/Plugins and Scratch disk/ Maybe you have a "check" at the additional plugins. Turn off (uncheck) the additional plugins and see if that helps.
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wistful
Feb 10, 2004
Dave,

I’ve basically already done as you suggest. Some plugins though want their bits and pieces right in the actual plugin folder structure. As an example, Auto FX’s PGE 6.0, it just refuses to work unless you install it where it seemingly wants to go. But, prior to installing that one, the system hung just the same. It was pointing to the additional plugins folder that bogs it down; however, if I don’t do that, then no plugins! Can’t seem to win, so I just walk away from the machine and let it do its massive loading. I really don’t understand how PSP8 can use the same plugins, plus have to load a few thousand tubes as well, and take so little time to load. Photoshop is very frustrating at times… 🙂

Princess
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wistful
Feb 10, 2004
When that happened to me, that was the point at which I uninstalled, then reinstalled. I also cleared out the system registry just a bit, just in case.

Princess
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johnkissane3
Feb 10, 2004
Agree, I also tried to move PGE 6 to another folder (leaving the 8 files) but the plugin just would not work in any form, except bact where it was initially placed.

The real downside is cigaretts and coffee consumption increase.

regards
CC
Chris_Cox
Feb 11, 2004
Because PSP8 probably doesn’t use the newer file APIs.
CC
Chris_Cox
Feb 11, 2004
Anyway, we’ve asked AutoFX to fix their file placement (several times) but has not yet gotten an answer from them.
RK
Ronald_Keller
Feb 11, 2004
Rename the PGE folder to ~PGE before launching Photoshop and rename it back to PGE afterwards.

Quite a hassle but if you know any programming language (I use Visual Basic) this can easily be automated. 3 simple steps: rename the folder – start Photoshop – wait a few seconds and rename the folder again.
This doesn’t work of course if you launch Photoshop by double-click a file in Explorer. For this situation I programmed a second version which only does the renaming part.
The idea behind all this is that only the actual plug-in (PGE_PlugIn.8bf) must be available during the launch of Photoshop and PGE needs the additional files only when the filter is applied.

Regards,

Ronald
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dave_milbut
Feb 11, 2004
or just put it in a batch file. no programming language needed. then use the batch file to launch.

rem if ps isn’t installed on c: insert correct drive letter below c:
rem PROGRA~1 may be PROGRA~2 or PROGRA~3 depending on the PS vers installed cd \PROGRA~1\ADOBE\PROGRA~1\PLUG-INS
ren PGE ~PGE
..\photoshop.exe
ren ~PGE PGE

dave
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Ronald_Keller
Feb 12, 2004
Hi Dave,

I have no experience with batch files so I might be wrong but I think there is a slight problem: the last line will come too quickly; I think it will rename the folder before Photoshop is scanning for plug-ins. But maybe there is a way to pause before executing a line in a batch file?

Ronald
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Thomas_Durham
Feb 12, 2004
I moved the PGE folder and the PGE plugin up one folder to the Photoshop CS folder. The plugin is not in the PGE folder or the plugin folder. Works great for me on windows XP. No slow down. Cheers Tom
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dave_milbut
Feb 12, 2004
you’re probably right roland. that or it’ll wait until ps ends. i don’t think i had my coffee when I wrote that yesterday. 🙂
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dave_milbut
Feb 12, 2004
good going tom. that’s what i’d been suggesting (per chris) but someone (paula?) said that taking that out of there breakes pge.
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johnkissane3
Feb 12, 2004
Ya, works for me now…..leaving PGE files in the PS folder works. I guess before we only left the 8 file there. Ooops. thanks
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Ronald_Keller
Feb 13, 2004
Tom,

That’s perfect! Thanks.

Ronald
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wistful
Feb 13, 2004
Morning Dave… 🙂 Notice I didn’t say "good" morning… aargh! I’m going to give it one more try and move the PGE files like Tom suggested. Well, I’ll give it a try once Photoshop CS opens! I’m going on 8 minutes now, waiting. I’ve never been very good at waiting, maybe that’s why I have an ulcer *grins*! Yesterday, ImageReady wouldn’t open at all. The NOT RESPONDING showed up after a few minutes, hanging on plugins, just like Photoshop. Is it loading Photoshop’s plugins? I dunno why we were given the option to have an alternative plugin folder, when all it succeeds in doing is hanging the load. Why can’t they make the engine the way Jasc did with PSP? I’m finding myself using PSP8 more than Photoshop now, and that does not please me — Me and Photoshop go back years, we’re pals, buds, bestest of friends… 🙂 however, lately the program load is wicked. Waits… waits… waits… Okay, I’ll be back to let you know what’s happening. *hopes her day improves…

-Princess
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wistful
Feb 13, 2004
Tom,

Okay, I’ve removed the checkmark for the extra plugins folder, so now all those plugins are of no use. Great… NOT —

Then, I did as you did, moved the PGE folder up one folder and Photoshop CS started up within a reasonable amount of time this time; however, PGE doesn’t show up in the filter list now on my XP system… *gets even more frustrated with Adobe’s way of doing things* Damn system seems to at least open the program with no other plugins involved except for Eye Candy and Xenofex. That’s just not acceptable… 🙁

Princess

[I moved the PGE folder and the PGE plugin up one folder to the Photoshop CS folder. The plugin is not in the PGE folder or the plugin folder. Works great for me on windows XP. No slow down.]
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dave_milbut
Feb 13, 2004
i’m not sure i follow the last post precisely, but just to be clear. i’m guessing (don’t have pge, but this is the way every other plug in i’ve seen works) you can (need to!) keep the actual plugin stored in the plug-ins folder (the *.8bf file) while moving everything else out. Then when opening the plugin in ps, you need to browse up for the support files.

as for the additional plugins folder, it works fine for me! make sure you’re not doing something like pointing it at ps7’s plug in folder because that’ll give you some conflicts with updated versions of cs’s plugs. other than that, same thing applies. nothing but the ACTUAL PLUGINs THEMSELVES – NO SUPPORT FILES can go in that folder.
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Thomas_Durham
Feb 13, 2004
Paula,
I didnt explain too well about the plugin. I moved the plugin from the plugins folder and placed it in the Photoshop CS folder where I had placed the PGE folder. The plugin is not in any seperate folder, its just kinda hanging out there with the dll files. It doesnt look like it belongs there but it works. The PGE plugin 8BF file is the only plugin I done this to, all the other plugins I have are in the plugins folder or the extra plugins folder. I hope Im not confusing you. When Photoshop CS is open the plugin is under filters, auto fx software, with auto eye two.
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Chris_Cox
Feb 13, 2004
Paula – this has little to do with Adobe, and a lot to do with Microsoft file access APIs and AutoFX doing something wrong in the way they install the files.
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subdude
Feb 14, 2004
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:03:56 -0800, graced
us with:

Paula – this has little to do with Adobe, and a lot to do with Microsoft file access APIs and AutoFX doing something wrong in the way they install the files.

I was complaining about this very thing on the Adobe forums, and the problem continued even after moving *all* the AutoFX plguins (not to mention half the others I had) out. I was absolutely sure the CS was the culprit, since my 7.0 installation with all the plugins seemed to run much faster.

Due to a nasty system crash, I recently ended up resintalling everything (including the OS) from scratch and interestingly enough CS seems to be running just fine now, even with 20-30 plugins. (I haven’t reinstalled any AutoFX plugins but if I do, it will be as a standalone product.)

Just an observation, take it for what you will.

subdude

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