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I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image editing being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to start somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around

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James Connell
Apr 23, 2004
Andy wrote:
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image editing being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to start somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around £500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash without knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

i’m sure a large number of ( first time) posters here have a cracked copy – even if it’s frowned on here.

even if you have done image editing before PS is a difficult program to use – it’s just too powerful to easily find all the features available. even when you know what to do just figuring out How to do it in PS can be confusing ( although the old ‘RTFM’ would be very good advice).

this would account for a great many of the questions. on the other hand, a good example is the <control>~ key – it can be a useful shortcut but i can’t find it documented anywhere.

–JC
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me
Apr 23, 2004
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:11:48 +0100, "Andy" <shif> wrote:

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image editing being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to start somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
R
Roberto
Apr 23, 2004
The best one is seeing people use PS as a jpeg image viewer. I’ve actually seen people load jpeg’s into PS – one at a time – to show me images.

I’m not a big Adobe fan myself, but I applaud their marketing. There is a battle for "share of mind". They want everone to become familiar with their software before anyone else’s. Eventually you may become a legit customer after investing endless hours learning their software. They’re banking on that now, and have been for years. This is why they’re very successful, not because their products are the most capable or intuitive IMO. "Big Macs" outsell "Pheasant under Glass" in the restuarant world, and also in the software marketplace through deft marketing.

Adobe has massive $$$ resources… and yet their stuff is the most often pirated software in the history of humanity. "Alright everyone, download and learn our stuff… go ahead and dig right in… " I can see the the Adobe CEO sitting in a chair like Mr. Burns, tapping his fingertips together …. "Eeeexcellent…"

When MS sold educational versions of MS Office years ago for a drastically reduced price, they set the stage to become the standard for those kinds of apps.

JD

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
KB
Ken Burns
Apr 23, 2004
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around #500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash
without
knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

With the advancements in digital imaging and the drop in prices for quality digital camera equipment, it won’t be long until the professional users of PS will be in the minority. Sure Adobe has PSE which is aimed toward the amateur market, but those who are willing and able to spend 1500USD for a camera plus at least that much again for quality lenses are going to demand the same high quality in their editing software. PS CS at about 650USD is not an excessive expense in their eyes, it is just another necessity if top-quality images are desired.

On top of that, there is a social heirarchy in the camera world that PS CS fits into beautifully. Prosumer camera buyers will probably be satisfied with PSE, but those who have bought a Nikon D100 or Canon 10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low. Only the best will do, and that means PS CS!!! It has more to do with ego and social caste than it has to do with practicallity. It really doesn’t matter that they will probably never need more than 25% of the functions PS CS can do, all that matters is that they can boast about using only the pro quality software because the amateur stuff is for the lowly peons and neophytes of the camera club world.

In the end, Adobe will make more profit from social status than from professionalism.
S
Stephan
Apr 23, 2004
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
DH
David Habercom
Apr 23, 2004
It isn’t exactly clear to me how you guys imagine one learns PS, or much of anything else, without slogging through the basics. I suppose I could have spent even more money and enrolled in training seminars until I was sufficiently versed in PS to earn admission to this NG. But as an habitual autodidact, I just plunged in and hoped the experts would show some patience. I knew where I wanted to go and that PS would take me there, and that was enough to get me moving. That was several years ago, so some of my questions now are a bit more sophisticated — but others aren’t. Occasionally I even know enough to answer someone else’s question, especially the easy ones, like yours.

David

"Jeff H." wrote in
news::

The best one is seeing people use PS as a jpeg image viewer. I’ve actually seen people load jpeg’s into PS – one at a time – to show me images.

I’m not a big Adobe fan myself, but I applaud their marketing. There is a battle for "share of mind". They want everone to become familiar with their software before anyone else’s. Eventually you may become a legit customer after investing endless hours learning their software. They’re banking on that now, and have been for years. This is why they’re very successful, not because their products are the most capable or intuitive IMO. "Big Macs" outsell "Pheasant under Glass" in the restuarant world, and also in the software marketplace through deft marketing.

Adobe has massive $$$ resources… and yet their stuff is the most often pirated software in the history of humanity. "Alright everyone, download and learn our stuff… go ahead and dig right in… " I can see the the Adobe CEO sitting in a chair like Mr. Burns, tapping his fingertips together … "Eeeexcellent…"

When MS sold educational versions of MS Office years ago for a drastically reduced price, they set the stage to become the standard for those kinds of apps.

JD

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
H
Hecate
Apr 24, 2004
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:25:03 GMT, "Stephan"
wrote:

"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around £500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash
without
knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

Do you need a Nikon F5 or a Hasselblad to take good pictures? Do you need Photoshop to retouch them or make colors adjustments? Of course not, but a lot of people tend to think so and don’t hesitate to spend big bucks for cameras and software in the hope of getting "professional " results.
Adobe Elements would be enough for their needs but it is only $100 so, the full version should give them six times better results, right? Nobody needs 200hp to go drive work and very few people need more than 1GHZ on their computer but everywhere you look you get told you need more power!
Hon, that’s because business is run, in general, by men. And especially anything involving "high tech". And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…

😉



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
D
Drifter
Apr 24, 2004
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:11:48 +0100, "Andy" <shif> wrote:

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image editing being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to start somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around £500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash without knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

I upgraded from v5 so it wasn’t that expensive, but woah have things ever changed! Similar enough to get me in trouble, different enough that I had to buy a book in addition to the manual and I STILL wind up asking questions here!

Drifter
"I’ve been here, I’ve been there…"
BN
Brooklyn NYC USA
Apr 24, 2004
"Drifter" wrote in message
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:11:48 +0100, "Andy" <shif> wrote:
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
N
newsgroup
Apr 24, 2004
And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…

Not me! Though I often wonder why some of these porn guys get hired. All I need to hear is a simple "ouch" once in a while to lay another mile of track. Heh heh.

~Doc
U
Uni
Apr 24, 2004
Ken Burns wrote:
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image

editing

being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to

start

somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around #500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash

without

knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

With the advancements in digital imaging and the drop in prices for quality digital camera equipment, it won’t be long until the professional users of PS will be in the minority. Sure Adobe has PSE which is aimed toward the amateur market, but those who are willing and able to spend 1500USD for a camera plus at least that much again for quality lenses are going to demand the same high quality in their editing software. PS CS at about 650USD is not an excessive expense in their eyes, it is just another necessity if top-quality images are desired.

On top of that, there is a social heirarchy in the camera world that PS CS fits into beautifully. Prosumer camera buyers will probably be satisfied with PSE, but those who have bought a Nikon D100 or Canon 10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low.

If a professional photographer is very good at photography, why would he/she even need to edit his/her photographs? I mean, if a professional photographer needs PS-CS, then he/she should consider another line of business.

🙂

Uni

Only the best will do, and that
means PS CS!!! It has more to do with ego and social caste than it has to do with practicallity. It really doesn’t matter that they will probably never need more than 25% of the functions PS CS can do, all that matters is that they can boast about using only the pro quality software because the amateur stuff is for the lowly peons and neophytes of the camera club world.
In the end, Adobe will make more profit from social status than from professionalism.

X
xDsrtRat
Apr 24, 2004
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
S
Stephan
Apr 25, 2004
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:25:03 GMT, "Stephan"
wrote:

Hon, that’s because business is run, in general, by men. And especially anything involving "high tech". And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…

😉

Not all men,
I shoot with old F90s
My PC is only an Athlon 2400
My car was made in 82 and has only 4 cylinders (in the USA!) And I don’t have to prove anything because I KNOW mine is the biggest!

Stephan
S
Stephan
Apr 25, 2004
"News" wrote in message

I moved from PSP to CS Premium because I have the money and can afford to spend it. However, I don’t tend to spend on foolish crap — that is why I spent it on CS. I will spend if what I want is the right thing and I’m
glad
that I did. However, like Drifter wrote above, not only did I buy the program but I bought a few books by Scott Kelby and other NAPP members — kind of prejudice being a NAPP member myself.

Being a NAPP member shows you even have money to waste.

Stephan
S
Stephan
Apr 25, 2004
"~Doc" wrote in message
And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…
Not me! Though I often wonder why some of these porn guys get hired. All I need to hear is a simple "ouch" once in a while to lay another mile of track. Heh heh.

Keep dreaming, they say "ouch" because your beer belly is squashing them against the bed frame

Stephan
SB
Sally Beacham
Apr 25, 2004
"Stephan" wrote in message
"News" wrote in message

I moved from PSP to CS Premium because I have the money and can afford
to
spend it. However, I don’t tend to spend on foolish crap — that is why
I
spent it on CS. I will spend if what I want is the right thing and I’m
glad
that I did. However, like Drifter wrote above, not only did I buy the program but I bought a few books by Scott Kelby and other NAPP
members —
kind of prejudice being a NAPP member myself.

Being a NAPP member shows you even have money to waste.

Stephan

Oh lord, if you didn’t say it, I was going to.

Case in point, see above.


Sally Beacham
www.friendsofed.com/books/1590592387/index.html
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Paint Shop Pro, Memory Page Fundamentals
sallyATdizteq.com
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newsgroup
Apr 25, 2004
"Stephan" wrote in message
"~Doc" wrote in message
And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…
Not me! Though I often wonder why some of these porn guys get hired. All
I
need to hear is a simple "ouch" once in a while to lay another mile of track. Heh heh.

Keep dreaming, they say "ouch" because your beer belly is squashing them against the bed frame

Stephan

LOL…

~Doc
BD
Bobby Dogg
Apr 25, 2004
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what I thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

The Kernow Boy

"xDsrtRat" wrote in message
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing
around
JD
Jon Danniken
Apr 25, 2004
"Bobby Dogg" wrote:
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what I thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

He was trolling, and successfully, I might add.

Jon
A
Andy
Apr 25, 2004
So im a ‘Newbie’? what in my post sugested that?
While i’m not a ‘professional’ user I do know my way around the program and have answered peoples questions where I have been able.
This NG is for PS in general, whilst ‘help’ is a major topic it’s not exclusive and if you dont see the point of the question why bother answering?.

"Bobby Dogg" wrote in message
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what
I
thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

The Kernow Boy

"xDsrtRat" wrote in message
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing
around
H
Hecate
Apr 26, 2004
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 06:14:36 GMT, "Stephan"
wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:25:03 GMT, "Stephan"
wrote:

Hon, that’s because business is run, in general, by men. And especially anything involving "high tech". And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…

😉

Not all men,
I shoot with old F90s
My PC is only an Athlon 2400
My car was made in 82 and has only 4 cylinders (in the USA!) And I don’t have to prove anything because I KNOW mine is the biggest!
LOL!!



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
N
newsgroup
Apr 26, 2004
"Stephan" wrote in message
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:25:03 GMT, "Stephan"
wrote:

Hon, that’s because business is run, in general, by men. And especially anything involving "high tech". And we all know that men have to prove that theirs is the biggest…

😉

Not all men,
I shoot with old F90s
My PC is only an Athlon 2400
My car was made in 82 and has only 4 cylinders (in the USA!) And I don’t have to prove anything because I KNOW mine is the biggest!
Stephan

I don’t get it. Where are the other 4 cylinders?

~Doc
F
Faolan
Apr 26, 2004
In the writings of , the <4089244a$0$2981$>
scrolls contained these prophetic words:

I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash without knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.
Many moons ago I was given the full version of PS 5, without a manual. It was legit, but the reason for coming without a manual is that the liquidation company hadn’t kept them. They sold the CD’s to recoup the losses, I was lucky enough to be given one as a gift.

That said, I upgraded to PS 7 electronically and was never given access to a manual, in fact Adobe said I would have to pay for it…

Oh well. That said I rarely ask questions in here as there is Google, if you have a question Google or another search engine will find your answers most of the time.

Never marry for money. Ye’ll borrow it cheaper
DH
David Habercom
Apr 26, 2004
Uni wrote in
news::

10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low.
If a professional photographer is very good at photography, why would he/she even need to edit his/her photographs? I mean, if a professional photographer needs PS-CS, then he/she should consider another line of business.

🙂

Uni

Let me guess, Uni, you read Alfred Stieglitz after he started the Photo- Secessionists in 1905 so nobody would think he was hoi polloi and then decided that looking any further would get you in trouble. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw years ago: "God said it. I believe it. That settles it."

Check out http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/.

David

v=b
S
Stephan
Apr 26, 2004
"David Habercom" wrote in message
Uni wrote in
news::

10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low.
If a professional photographer is very good at photography, why would he/she even need to edit his/her photographs? I mean, if a professional photographer needs PS-CS, then he/she should consider another line of business.

🙂

Uni
Poor Uni, you really don’t get anything…
Every photo you have seen in any magazine has been edited to some degree in PS.
Maybe you should consider another line of hobby.
You could try gardening or breeding fish.

Stephan
PJ
Paul J Gans
Apr 26, 2004
Bobby Dogg wrote:
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what I thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

Not all folks here are belligerent. But I agree about some. They either slam you for asking dumb questions or ignore you because you asked one that they cannot answer. Somehow they have the feeling that this makes them "experts".

—- Paul J. Gans
BD
Bobby Dogg
Apr 26, 2004
1 the cntent
2 to prevent further fatuous threads
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
So im a ‘Newbie’? what in my post sugested that?
While i’m not a ‘professional’ user I do know my way around the program
and
have answered peoples questions where I have been able.
This NG is for PS in general, whilst ‘help’ is a major topic it’s not exclusive and if you dont see the point of the question why bother answering?.

"Bobby Dogg" wrote in message
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is
what
I
thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

The Kernow Boy

"xDsrtRat" wrote in message
"Andy" <shif> wrote in message
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs
to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing
around
H
Hecate
Apr 27, 2004
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:39:31 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
wrote:

Bobby Dogg wrote:
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what I thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

Not all folks here are belligerent. But I agree about some. They either slam you for asking dumb questions or ignore you because you asked one that they cannot answer. Somehow they have the feeling that this makes them "experts".
Given the complexity of Photoshop I doubt even the program designers are experts 😉



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
H
Hecate
Apr 27, 2004
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:33:30 +0100, Faolan
wrote:

In the writings of , the <4089244a$0$2981$>
scrolls contained these prophetic words:

I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash without knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.
Many moons ago I was given the full version of PS 5, without a manual. It was legit, but the reason for coming without a manual is that the liquidation company hadn’t kept them. They sold the CD’s to recoup the losses, I was lucky enough to be given one as a gift.

That said, I upgraded to PS 7 electronically and was never given access to a manual, in fact Adobe said I would have to pay for it…
Oh well. That said I rarely ask questions in here as there is Google, if you have a question Google or another search engine will find your answers most of the time.

Quick Tip: Print out the help files – that *is* the manual 🙂



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
M
me
Apr 27, 2004
Ken Burns wrote:

"Andy" <shif> wrote in message

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image

editing

being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to

start

somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around #500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash

without

knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

With the advancements in digital imaging and the drop in prices for quality digital camera equipment, it won’t be long until the professional users of PS will be in the minority. Sure Adobe has PSE which is aimed toward the amateur market, but those who are willing and able to spend 1500USD for a camera plus at least that much again for quality lenses are going to demand the same high quality in their editing software. PS CS at about 650USD is not an excessive expense in their eyes, it is just another necessity if top-quality images are desired.

On top of that, there is a social heirarchy in the camera world that PS CS fits into beautifully. Prosumer camera buyers will probably be satisfied with PSE, but those who have bought a Nikon D100 or Canon 10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low. Only the best will do, and that means PS CS!!! It has more to do with ego and social caste than it has to do with practicallity. It really doesn’t matter that they will probably never need more than 25% of the functions PS CS can do, all that matters is that they can boast about using only the pro quality software because the amateur stuff is for the lowly peons and neophytes of the camera club world.
In the end, Adobe will make more profit from social status than from professionalism.

I could not do without PS CS now – I use a Nikon DSLR – There is so much difference between film (slides and prints) and digital images either scanned film or off the digital camera that these need fixing consistently to improve the result.

Having used and tried other programmes like Paint Shop Pro and others, have found that Photo shop has always achieved the best results and is a complete package.

Fortunately I have been able to source the programme at a competitive site price.

There have been others that have mentioned that they do have a dodge copy and then found it so good bought the next version.

Now that I have used for some years – well since version 3 – still haven’t used all the features nor have time to explore "what’s new" to the full extent.

There are schools and higher educational places which use it as a general programme and don’t bother with anything less – even if students don’t understand it except for the basics.

I still have to ask questions how things work – there has always 2 or 3 ways to achieve the same results in PS each has their own.

rm
U
Uni
Apr 27, 2004
Stephan wrote:
"David Habercom" wrote in message

Uni wrote in
news::

10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low.
If a professional photographer is very good at photography, why would he/she even need to edit his/her photographs? I mean, if a professional photographer needs PS-CS, then he/she should consider another line of business.

🙂

Uni
Poor Uni, you really don’t get anything…
Every photo you have seen in any magazine has been edited to some degree in PS.
Maybe you should consider another line of hobby.
You could try gardening or breeding fish.

Stephan

Stephan wrote:
Nice sysyem! I want one like that!

Is that what happens after you buy PS, you can’t afford your dream system?

🙂

I have my dream system and graphics software. Would you care to challenge me with your "I own PS, so I’m immediately a professional" software?

🙂

You don’t stand a chance, Stephan.

🙂

Uni

U
Uni
Apr 27, 2004
me wrote:
Ken Burns wrote:

"Andy" <shif> wrote in message

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image

editing

being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to

start

somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around
#500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash

without

knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

With the advancements in digital imaging and the drop in prices for quality
digital camera equipment, it won’t be long until the professional users of
PS will be in the minority. Sure Adobe has PSE which is aimed toward the amateur market, but those who are willing and able to spend 1500USD for a camera plus at least that much again for quality lenses are going to demand
the same high quality in their editing software. PS CS at about 650USD is
not an excessive expense in their eyes, it is just another necessity if top-quality images are desired.

On top of that, there is a social heirarchy in the camera world that PS CS
fits into beautifully. Prosumer camera buyers will probably be satisfied with PSE, but those who have bought a Nikon D100 or Canon 10D digital camera
would never consider stooping that low. Only the best will do, and that means PS CS!!! It has more to do with ego and social caste than it has to
do with practicallity. It really doesn’t matter that they will probably never need more than 25% of the functions PS CS can do, all that matters is
that they can boast about using only the pro quality software because the amateur stuff is for the lowly peons and neophytes of the camera club world.

In the end, Adobe will make more profit from social status than from professionalism.

I could not do without PS CS now – I use a Nikon DSLR – There is so much difference between film (slides and prints) and digital images either scanned film or off the digital camera that these need fixing consistently to improve the result.

Having used and tried other programmes like Paint Shop Pro and others, have found that Photo shop has always achieved the best results and is a complete package.

Amen.

🙂

Uni

Fortunately I have been able to source the programme at a competitive site price.

There have been others that have mentioned that they do have a dodge copy and then found it so good bought the next version.

Now that I have used for some years – well since version 3 – still haven’t used all the features nor have time to explore "what’s new" to the full extent.

There are schools and higher educational places which use it as a general programme and don’t bother with anything less – even if students don’t understand it except for the basics.

I still have to ask questions how things work – there has always 2 or 3 ways to achieve the same results in PS each has their own.
rm

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Uni
Apr 27, 2004
Bobby Dogg wrote:
You’ve had a number of very good answers, one of which covers my own position.
But what was the point of the question? Just to be smug? To warn off newbie’s? How are we to learn from questions such as this, which is what I thought this forum was all about. So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask more useful questions in the future?

As the famous Artist Mike once said, people seldom learn anything by asking graphics questions in usenet. Those people that do ask graphics questions, simply return later and ask the same identical questions, time and time again – in one ear out the other. Also, most questions are answered with hand me down answers. Buy a book and learn.

🙂

Uni

The Kernow Boy

"xDsrtRat" wrote in message

"Andy" <shif> wrote in message

I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image

editing

being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to

start

somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing
around

£500, which puts it out of reach for the basic home users. I was just wondering how many people are using ripped/cracked versions of this software?
I don’t mean to accuse or insult anyone, but to spend that much cash

without

knowing much/anything about image editing is a step in the dark.

You’re overlooking another scenario: buying the CS bundle using an educational discount. At least that’s how I came to be a PS user. I bought CS Premium in my last year of school as the entire package was cheaper

than

the two pieces I wanted, GoLive and InDesign, were if I bought them after

I

graduated. I had previous experience with PS Elements 2, but I found PSCS

a

different type of beast. Getting Illustrator as part of the package was a bonus for me. I don’t regret my purchase in the least.

U
Uni
Apr 27, 2004
David Habercom wrote:
Uni wrote in
news::

10D digital camera would never consider stooping that low.
If a professional photographer is very good at photography, why would he/she even need to edit his/her photographs? I mean, if a professional photographer needs PS-CS, then he/she should consider another line of business.

🙂

Uni

Let me guess, Uni, you read Alfred Stieglitz after he started the Photo- Secessionists in 1905 so nobody would think he was hoi polloi and then decided that looking any further would get you in trouble. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw years ago: "God said it. I believe it. That settles it."

Check out http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/.

I have.

http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/workshops/reviews/galleries /foliage/class01.html

I am not impressed with florescent blue jeans.

Just another example where a photographer takes a drab photo then boost the colors to unrealistic extremes.

Uni

David
M
Mike
Apr 28, 2004
in article c6h6lv$oeh$, Bobby Dogg at
wrote on 04/25/2004 1:22 PM:

So Andy Newbie, can I suggest you ask
more useful questions in the future?

Not likely to happen. Silly people come into newsgroups and ask silly questions because they don’t want to take the time to actually learn on their own. They want the easy answer and then they move on to the next question. Silly people don’t want to learn how to learn, they just want to get an answer to their problem.

They want the quick fix, they don’t want knowledge or skill. No time for that.

":^) ®
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CD
May 4, 2004
you could spend 500 for ps or… you could just use a file share prog and dl it for free!

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:11:48 +0100, "Andy" <shif> wrote:
I have noticed a number of Very basic questions related to PS image
editing
being posted by complete beginners. This is fine as everybody needs to
start
somewhere. But, PS is a professional image editing package costing around

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