Upgrade? Plz Help…

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Fatty_Lumpkin
Feb 20, 2004
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Hi. Currently I am using PhotoShop 7.0 and GoLive 5.5 but am seriously considering the upgrades. Is it worth the money to upgrade?

I realize the question is general and open to a biased opinion on this forum but would greatly appreciate feedback to help me in making this decision. IĀ’m pretty happy with my current versions but do feel like Adobe is leaving me in the dust, especially with GoLive. IĀ’m somewhat more interested in GoLive because it is a couple paces ahead of me. PhotoShop CS only interests me due to the text path feature but IĀ’m sure there is a lot about the new version that I do not know. Basically, I may only spring for one or the other.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

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Ol__Whozit
Feb 20, 2004
Just remember, if you upgrade to CS, decide you don’t like it (as many people have, check some of the threads here and in the Lounge) and return it to Adobe, they can cancel ALL version registrations you may have…

Between that, the content scanning issue slowing your system to a crawl, Activation headaches, and a lot of bug complaints, if your life doesn’t absolutely hang on the text on a path feature, stick with 7.01…think of CS as Adobe’s version of Windows ME…
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Robert_Levine
Feb 20, 2004
they can cancel ALL version registrations you may have…

Could you point me to something to back that up?

the content scanning issue slowing your system to a crawl

There is no evidence that system slow downs are because of the CDS.

Activation headaches

Granted.

and a lot of bug complaints

No more than any other new release of Photoshop.

think of CS as Adobe’s version of Windows ME…

Except I’m confident that most of the PS problems will be straightened out in a dot release. Win ME never did get fixed.

Bob
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Jonathan_Balza
Feb 20, 2004
Ol’, there are those of us who actually like Photoshop CS, btw… šŸ˜‰

There are a million reasons to upgrade to Photoshop CS, but if you are just looking for the text on a path feature, I would wonder if you would really be getting your money’s worth.

My only suggestion would be to download the demos, <http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/main.jsp> and see if they work for you. (Although if you listen to some people, you may have problems with that, too. Just make sure to uninstall the demo if you decide to upgrade.)
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Fatty_Lumpkin
Feb 20, 2004
Ol’ Whozit, your points are taken seriously especially as I have been reading some of the threads on this topic today. Its unfortunate but I think I will wait out the storm with PS-CS. I’m still considering the GoLive CS upgrade but don’t know enough about that at this point.

Thanks for the info!!
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Fatty_Lumpkin
Feb 20, 2004
Jonathan Balza, excellent idea about the demos! Thanks šŸ™‚
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Grass_Hopper
Feb 20, 2004
<http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/cs_combined.pdf>

Perhaps this is the portion she was referring to:
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Robert_Levine
Feb 20, 2004
I see nothing there that says that by returning CS you give your rights to the earlier version.

We’ve discussed the part that follows that gives you the right to use the old version during a transition period. There is no time limit on that transition. All you need to do is say my client is still using Photoshop 3 so we’re still in transition.

Bob
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Grass_Hopper
Feb 20, 2004
I think she is specifically referring to the "license exchange" portion. It’s been questioned and I am not sure if it has been satisfatctorily answered as to whether or not once you upgrade to CS if you have a license to even use eariler versions. And, if you upgrade and get rid of CS, because it was a license exchange, you must give up all your other "rights" to the earlier versions as well.

This wording is new in the EULA. It wasn’t in previous versions of it.

It would be nice to have this clearly answered!
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Robert_Levine
Feb 20, 2004
It’s been discussed. If you only own PS and upgrade to the suite, you can continue upgrading only PS or upgrading the suite.

If you own the individual apps you can continue to upgrade them also.

Bob
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Grass_Hopper
Feb 21, 2004
And if you upgrade to CS (stand alone, not full suite) from PS7, don’t like CS (for whatever reason), can you sell your copy of the upgrade version of CS without losing your license to PS7?

Thanks for the reminder about the upgrade path for versions after CS. I had forgotten about that šŸ™‚
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LenHewitt
Feb 21, 2004
NO, you cannot
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Robert_Levine
Feb 21, 2004
NO, you cannot

Why not? I would think you could transfer the upgrade license to someone else and revert back to the 7.0 license.

Maybe we can get a decision from the judges? <g>

Bob
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Don_McCahill
Feb 21, 2004
Robert

The CS license was purchased as an upgrade from 7. If you sell the CS to someone, and keep using 7, then there are now two people using one license. Now, theoretically if you limited your sale to a person who already has 7, this does not occur, but I can understand Adobe not wanting to allow other parties to determine who is a valid holder of the 7 license.

I don’t know that a decision from the judges is necessary. Len’s comment is sensible.
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Grass_Hopper
Feb 21, 2004
Just in the spirit of discussion here:

Anyone can buy the PSCS upgrade software…. right?

The only folks that can use the upgrade software are those who have qualifying media to allow for its use…. right?

How then, does it mean that there would be two different licenses being used? I mean, I could buy PSCS for a long lost buddy. Just because I bought it, doesn’t mean that I am using it! Okay, I realize the original scenario was based on having used PSCS and then deciding they didn’t want it and wanting to sell it. BUT, if it’s not in use on the PS7 machine and is only in use by the next buyer (with *their* qualifying media to allow for installation), then only one license is in use at a a time.

The difference here is the surrendering of the previous licenses, which I don’t think is a good thing. I am not sure why the EULA changed in that regard, but it’s certainly not in favor of the user.
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dave_milbut
Feb 21, 2004
then there are now two people using one license.

they can only install it if they have their own previous version of the sw and upgrade that.

Now, theoretically if you limited your sale to a person who already has 7, this does not occur,

what do you mean theoretically? do you know of a (legal) way to get an upgrade to run without having a previous version? therefore the seller would HAVE to sell it to an owner of a previous version.

Len’s comment is sensible.

<monty python>No it’s not.</mp>
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Robert_Levine
Feb 21, 2004
Not if the person buying it from you has a previous version is using it as an upgrade.

Bob
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dave_milbut
Feb 21, 2004
back to the original question and on about GoLive cs, i’ve heard they removed support for dynamic content in cs because of problems. I understand it’s coming back, but whether in a dot release or in the next version isn’t clear. A trip to thier forum would provide more info, but if that’s important to you, it might be a stumbling block.
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Grass_Hopper
Feb 21, 2004
Not if the person buying it from you has a previous version is using it as an upgrade. my thoughts exactly!

which brings me right back to the wording of "license exchange" when you purchase CS. It would seem once you have CS you no longer have any license to PS7, IF you were to try to get rid CS. Your license becomes CS when you buy the upgrade and there is no going back.
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LenHewitt
Feb 21, 2004
Bob,

Why not? <<

Because you’ve ‘cashed-in’ your V.7 registration by upgrading. If you sell the upgrade you don’t have a license at all, and I’ll bet Adobe have no way to roll-back the registration register unless the upgrade is returned to them during the 30-day grace period.
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LenHewitt
Feb 21, 2004
GH,

I am not sure why the EULA changed in that regard, <<

It hasn’t. You have ALWAYS forfeited your previous License on upgrading (which is why you cannot sell a previous copy that has been used to upgrade)
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LenHewitt
Feb 21, 2004
Dave,

I understand it’s coming back, <<

I don’t know where you understand that from…..

Adobe have ‘suggested’ that 3rd party plugins will eventually replace the DC capabilities of GL6 (when 3rd party developers decide to!), but there has been no suggestion that ‘native’ DC support will ever return.
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dave_milbut
Feb 21, 2004
I don’t know where you understand that from…..

admittedly i haven’t followed it closely, but when i first came out the rumor was it was pulled at the last minute because of problems that would’ve scrubbed the shipping date to fix and would return when it was fixed.

Adobe have ‘suggested’ that 3rd party plugins will eventually replace the DC capabilities of GL6 (when 3rd party developers decide to!), but there has been no suggestion that ‘native’ DC support will ever return.

my mistake then. sorry! šŸ™‚
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LenHewitt
Feb 22, 2004
GH,

once you have CS you no longer have any license to PS7<<

That has ALWAYS been the case. Once you upgrade your previous license is transferred to the upgrade and is no longer valid for the previous version.

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