ThmbsPlus Question

Why not go right to the source? Call them.

I’ve used ThumbPlus for a few years now and so far it does everything I

to do as far as cataloging images and much more than that. I don’t have anywhere near the number you’re talking about, but if that’s what is keeping you from purchasing the software, I know they will be happy to

you with it. They have been more than helpful the couple of times I didn’t understand how to get Thumbs+ to something.

I seem to have stumbled onto the fix. I ran the Fix Database operation and then the Compact another time. The size of the database is not too much reduced, but I am able to enter keywords and search. As long as it works, I really don’t care about the physical size of the database. I’m going to play with this one a while before I make up my mind. I want to see if I can batch add keywords to make searching easier. I’ve only had time to enter a couple of dozen keyword entries so far.

The problems began when I entered keywords for the second entry I wanted to catalog. I was prompted with an error message that the database had reached maximum size and nothing could be added. I checked and the database created by the initial search was in excess of 2.0 Gb. I still had 50+ Gb free on the drive, so my disk size is not an issue, just the database size.

On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:52:00 -0400, "xDsrtRat" wrote:

The problems began when I entered keywords for the second entry I wanted

catalog. I was prompted with an error message that the database had

maximum size and nothing could be added. I checked and the database

by the initial search was in excess of 2.0 Gb. I still had 50+ Gb free on the drive, so my disk size is not an issue, just the database size.

The database uses the Microsoft JET format as used in Access. The size limit of an Access database is 2Gb.

However, there are plenty of ways of having databases which are larger:

1. Use MS SQL
2. Use Filemaker Pro (possibly, I’m investigating this at the moment)
3. Use MySQL
4. And a number of others. I just gave you the expensive, the not too expansive and the cheap (i.e. free) solutions.

It’s the same with the other major database software – Extensis Portfolio also uses Microsoft JET.

If you want help though, you’d be better off accessing the correct newsgroups. Cerious run their own. Just go to news.cerious.com, get the list of groups, download and ask your questions. People there are very helpful, and the programmers actually answer questions too.
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Hecate

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The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB,

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB, leading to what Hecate stated. Some of the database managers get around this by using multiple linked files, but that is the exception. It is probably possible to use Thumbs Plus by breaking your collection up into multiple databases in different subdirectories, but it may not fit what you need to do that.
If Thumbs Plus uses M$ Access to manage the database, it may be very slow with large collections anyway, as Access is very unwieldly.
Don

On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:12:32 -0400, "xDsrtRat"

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and 2 gigs is the limit.

I seem to have stumbled onto the fix. I ran the Fix Database operation

then the Compact another time. The size of the database is not too much reduced, but I am able to enter keywords and search. As long as it works,

really don’t care about the physical size of the database. I’m going to

with this one a while before I make up my mind. I want to see if I can

add keywords to make searching easier. I’ve only had time to enter a

of dozen keyword entries so far.

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:52:00 -0400, "xDsrtRat" wrote:

The problems began when I entered keywords for the second entry I wanted

catalog. I was prompted with an error message that the database had

maximum size and nothing could be added. I checked and the database

by the initial search was in excess of 2.0 Gb. I still had 50+ Gb free on the drive, so my disk size is not an issue, just the database size.

The database uses the Microsoft JET format as used in Access. The size limit of an Access database is 2Gb.

However, there are plenty of ways of having databases which are larger:

1. Use MS SQL
2. Use Filemaker Pro (possibly, I’m investigating this at the moment)
3. Use MySQL
4. And a number of others. I just gave you the expensive, the not too expansive and the cheap (i.e. free) solutions.

It’s the same with the other major database software – Extensis Portfolio also uses Microsoft JET.

If you want help though, you’d be better off accessing the correct newsgroups. Cerious run their own. Just go to news.cerious.com, get the list of groups, download and ask your questions. People there are very helpful, and the programmers actually answer questions too.
—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB, leading to what Hecate stated. Some of the database managers get around this by using multiple linked files, but that is the exception. It is probably possible to use Thumbs Plus by breaking your collection up into multiple databases in different subdirectories, but it may not fit what you need to do that.
If Thumbs Plus uses M$ Access to manage the database, it may be very slow with large collections anyway, as Access is very unwieldly.
Don

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:52:00 -0400, "xDsrtRat" wrote:

The problems began when I entered keywords for the second entry I

to

catalog. I was prompted with an error message that the database had

reached

maximum size and nothing could be added. I checked and the database

created

by the initial search was in excess of 2.0 Gb. I still had 50+ Gb free

the drive, so my disk size is not an issue, just the database size.

The database uses the Microsoft JET format as used in Access. The size limit of an Access database is 2Gb.

However, there are plenty of ways of having databases which are larger:

1. Use MS SQL
2. Use Filemaker Pro (possibly, I’m investigating this at the moment)
3. Use MySQL
4. And a number of others. I just gave you the expensive, the not too expansive and the cheap (i.e. free) solutions.

It’s the same with the other major database software – Extensis Portfolio also uses Microsoft JET.

If you want help though, you’d be better off accessing the correct newsgroups. Cerious run their own. Just go to news.cerious.com, get the list of groups, download and ask your questions. People there are very helpful, and the programmers actually answer questions too.
—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

"Don" wrote in
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The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB,

Not really.

Under the FAT16 file system only. On FAT32 it’s 4GB, but NTFS’ limit is something ridiculous (16 exabytes); in ripping double-layer DVDs I routinely make 7GB files.

I’m willing to bet it has to do with JET’s data structure.
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"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Don" wrote in
news::

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB,

Not really.

Under the FAT16 file system only. On FAT32 it’s 4GB, but NTFS’ limit is something ridiculous (16 exabytes); in ripping double-layer DVDs I routinely make 7GB files.

I’m willing to bet it has to do with JET’s data structure.
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Yeah, you’re right. But I believe that many applications are not set up to take advantage of the larger files yet, perhaps for backward compatability reasons.

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB, leading to what Hecate stated.

Some of the database managers get around this by using multiple linked files, but that is the exception. It is probably possible to use Thumbs Plus by breaking your collection up into multiple databases in different subdirectories, but it may not fit what you need to do that.
If Thumbs Plus uses M$ Access to manage the database, it may be very slow with large collections anyway, as Access is very unwieldly.

This may be the wrong forum for this, but I think it was here I first

about ThumbsPlus. Bear with me while I set up the situation . . .

I’ve been looking for a better way to manage my graphics files and search them for the appropriate image. I purchased a canned collection that has searchable catalogs, but the catalog is static: you can not add to it.

you locate the image, you need to exit the and manually located the image from within your working program.

I heard about ThumbsPlus and decided to check it out. Looks perfect: you

build a dynamic database of images and search by keywords, etc. and overcomes the other limitations I was running into. I downloaded the demo version. I used it for bit, just as a browser, and I really liked it. I

added some of my images to the database, so I could test the search features.

I started with a canned collection of 550,000+ images and added another 40,000 of my own collection. This gave me in the neighborhood of 600,000 images and a total of 13 Gb of data. That did not include my photo collections or other images I had. The scan process to create the database took quite a while, overnight in fact, to complete. This is not a big deal as this is, I think and hope, a one time operation.

The problems began when I entered keywords for the second entry I wanted

catalog. I was prompted with an error message that the database had

maximum size and nothing could be added. I checked and the database

by the initial search was in excess of 2.0 Gb. I still had 50+ Gb free on the drive, so my disk size is not an issue, just the database size.
I did some poking around and discovered a Compact Database function. I’ve used something like this before, so I tried to reduce the database size using this function. My database shrank from 2.01 Gb to 1.97 Gb . . . not very much.

My basic question is: Is this because it is the demo version? Supposedly

only difference is the demo is valid for 30 days.

I don’t consider my canned collection that large. Is anyone else running ThumbsPlus with thus many images or more?

Hopefully, I’m just hitting the upside of the learning curve and there are ways around these problems.

On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:13:28 -0700, "Don" scribbled:

The maximum size of a file under Windoze is 2GB

No, it’s not.

One tip: Check that you are saving your thumbnails in jpeg format and NOT the default lossless format. You’ll get a ton more pictures in your 2 GB limit and you won’t be able to tell the difference from the thumbnails.
I think there’s an option to change both the default behavior and the existing thumbnails to a compressed format in the menus.