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"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message

Check this out:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/cbmain4/

<snips>

Uhh, I don’t get it – I’m probably missing something here but:

Perfect liquid Flash interface (try resizing your browser, all the content will auto resize/reposition, even the video).

Isn’t this just one of the standard Publish settings for Flash? No code involved, Flash will rescale a movie to fit your browser window on the fly anyway, won’t it?

and has an alpha
transparent, looping video clip (constructed using Paint Shop Pro and Adobe After Effects).

Given that the logo/video stays locked in position against the background, wouldn’t it be more efficient to render the logo against a chunk of background (rather than transparent) and lose the transparency completely? That way you do the compositing at your end to save the end-user’s Flash player from having to do all that repetitive stuff. Might mean a marginally larger video clip I suppose, but the static background should compress down to next to nothing.

Wonder what sort of performance-hit you take for adding alpha-transparency video effects, over say plain old vector masking or no masking.

Genuinely curious,

h

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:44:05 GMT, "h" <h> wrote:

Uhh, I don’t get it – I’m probably missing something here but:

Perfect liquid Flash interface (try resizing your browser, all the content will auto resize/reposition, even the video).

Isn’t this just one of the standard Publish settings for Flash? No code involved, Flash will rescale a movie to fit your browser window on the fly anyway, won’t it?

Yeah but without the right settings and construction it’ll look like shit. Before Flash 7/8 it couldn’t be done at all with sites that had split form images and then you also need to use:
this._quality = "best";

And for the video you need:
your.obj.smoothing = true;

And enlarged video usually doesn’t work so good, which is why if you use animated video segments you need to construct them without backgrounds (ie alpha transparent video).

and has an alpha
transparent, looping video clip (constructed using Paint Shop Pro and Adobe After Effects).

Given that the logo/video stays locked in position against the background, wouldn’t it be more efficient to render the logo against a chunk of background (rather than transparent) and lose the transparency completely?

No, see above. If I used a solid background and then resized the video it wouldn’t look right against the other existing
background…unless you maxed out the quality settings, which would lead to a rather huge increase in overall site size. Using alpha transparent video allows you to save quite a bit on the overall site size.

That way you do the compositing at your end to save the end-user’s Flash player from having to do all that repetitive stuff. Might mean a marginally larger video clip I suppose, but the static background should compress down to next to nothing.

What if you wanted the logo to move around though? Like what if I want to add in a transition effect? Or what if I wanted to have the background change…like what if I wanted to have it change depending on the time of day. So like if you viewed the site in the morning you would see a sunrise and then midday you would see the current background, then in the evening you would see a sunset and the at night it would be a starry scene. The point is that through proper construction you won’t limit what you can do later on. Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD or PSP primer files in case

Wonder what sort of performance-hit you take for adding alpha-transparency video effects, over say plain old vector masking or no masking.

Vector masking only works if you want FLAT video. By using alpha-transparent video you can do a lot of neat 3D effects.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:52:36 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:44:05 GMT, "h" <h> wrote:

Uhh, I don’t get it – I’m probably missing something here but:

Perfect liquid Flash interface (try resizing your browser, all the content will auto resize/reposition, even the video).

Isn’t this just one of the standard Publish settings for Flash? No code involved, Flash will rescale a movie to fit your browser window on the fly anyway, won’t it?

Yeah but without the right settings and construction it’ll look like shit. Before Flash 7/8 it couldn’t be done at all with sites that had split form images and then you also need to use:
this._quality = "best";

And for the video you need:
your.obj.smoothing = true;

And enlarged video usually doesn’t work so good, which is why if you use animated video segments you need to construct them without backgrounds (ie alpha transparent video).

and has an alpha
transparent, looping video clip (constructed using Paint Shop Pro and Adobe After Effects).

Given that the logo/video stays locked in position against the background, wouldn’t it be more efficient to render the logo against a chunk of background (rather than transparent) and lose the transparency completely?

No, see above. If I used a solid background and then resized the video it wouldn’t look right against the other existing
background…unless you maxed out the quality settings, which would lead to a rather huge increase in overall site size. Using alpha transparent video allows you to save quite a bit on the overall site size.

That way you do the compositing at your end to save the end-user’s Flash player from having to do all that repetitive stuff. Might mean a marginally larger video clip I suppose, but the static background should compress down to next to nothing.

What if you wanted the logo to move around though? Like what if I want to add in a transition effect? Or what if I wanted to have the background change…like what if I wanted to have it change depending on the time of day. So like if you viewed the site in the morning you would see a sunrise and then midday you would see the current background, then in the evening you would see a sunset and the at night it would be a starry scene. The point is that through proper construction you won’t limit what you can do later on. Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD or PSP primer files in case

Oops, got cut off there.

Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD and PSP primer files in case they want to change something around later on. If you just flatten everything onto a single layer you would have to reconstruct everything again from scratch if you ever wanted to make any changes.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD and PSP primer files in case they want to change something around later on. If you just flatten everything onto a single layer you would have to reconstruct everything again from scratch if you ever wanted to make any changes.

That’s true, but you flatten everything before using for a site.

Um by the way, why are you including useless unrelated groups in your posts? I have to manually remove them all or my replies get bounced by my provider. It’s a pain!

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:27:34 +0000, SpaceGirl
wrote:

Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD and PSP primer files in case they want to change something around later on. If you just flatten everything onto a single layer you would have to reconstruct everything again from scratch if you ever wanted to make any changes.

That’s true, but you flatten everything before using for a site.

….I don’t:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/alt.2600/

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/tehparts.png

….of course I know how to use cross browser compatible PNG alpha transparencies (I don’t remember if I made that one Mac IE compatible though).

Um by the way, why are you including useless unrelated groups in your posts? I have to manually remove them all or my replies get bounced by my provider. It’s a pain!

Actually it’s a pain when you take them out. Teh flonk and A26 are my home froups and many of the regs in those froups are very much interested in this sort of thing.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

—

Onideus Mad Hatter

btw, the sig separator is dash dash space (return), not space dash dash (return), as you have it.

Jose
—
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:59 GMT, Jose
wrote:

—

Onideus Mad Hatter

btw, the sig separator is dash dash space (return), not space dash dash (return), as you have it.

OMG WTFUXOR NOS WAY!?!?

Try READING my .sig next time, you’ll look…~slightly~ less stupid…well, as less stupid as an AOL user can get…which isn’t much.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:59 GMT, Jose
wrote:

—

Onideus Mad Hatter

btw, the sig separator is dash dash space (return), not space dash dash (return), as you have it.

OMG WTFUXOR NOS WAY!?!?

Try READING my .sig next time, you’ll look…~slightly~ less stupid…well, as less stupid as an AOL user can get…which isn’t much.

—

Regardless, it’s a pain having to strip your sig on each post. Why do it? If you want people to read your posts and reply why go to the effort of making things deliberately difficult. I know you like winding people up (you’re good at it!), but I assume if you bother to write something in here you want it read? Or are you THAT bored 🙂

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x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

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# remove NO SPAM to email, or use form on website #
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Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:27:34 +0000, SpaceGirl
wrote:

Most competent web and graphic designers will use layered PSD and PSP primer files in case they want to change something around later on. If you just flatten everything onto a single layer you would have to reconstruct everything again from scratch if you ever wanted to make any changes.

That’s true, but you flatten everything before using for a site.

…I don’t:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/alt.2600/

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/tehparts.png
…of course I know how to use cross browser compatible PNG alpha transparencies (I don’t remember if I made that one Mac IE compatible though).

Works in Fx and Safari on this PowerBook. I wouldn’t dream of putting IE on here any more than putting Netscape 4 on my PC! Blah :/

Um by the way, why are you including useless unrelated groups in your posts? I have to manually remove them all or my replies get bounced by my provider. It’s a pain!

Actually it’s a pain when you take them out. Teh flonk and A26 are my home froups and many of the regs in those froups are very much interested in this sort of thing.

Oh okay. Didn’t think they were related – and my host rejects posts made to alt.2600 point blank 😐

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x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

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SpaceGirl wrote:

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:34:59 GMT, Jose
wrote:

—

Onideus Mad Hatter

btw, the sig separator is dash dash space (return), not space dash dash (return), as you have it.

OMG WTFUXOR NOS WAY!?!?

Try READING my .sig next time, you’ll look…~slightly~ less stupid…well, as less stupid as an AOL user can get…which isn’t much.

—

Regardless, it’s a pain having to strip your sig on each post. Why do it? If you want people to read your posts and reply why go to the effort of making things deliberately difficult. I know you like winding people up (you’re good at it!), but I assume if you bother to write something in here you want it read? Or are you THAT bored 🙂

The Hatter is a simple troll who’s been begging for attention for a long time. You only need note the groups he favors, the confrontational way he writes and of course the juvenile .sig with a useless delineator to realize that. Ignore his taunting and he’ll eventually stop.

—
dvus

Try READING my .sig next time, you’ll look…~slightly~ less stupid…

Your sig is too long to read. I get bored quickly, especially after seeing it a hundred times. (ok, 87 times, but that’s close enough).

But I’m curious, you intentionally broke the delimiter, why?

Jose
—
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:13:46 -0500, "dvus" wrote:

Regardless, it’s a pain having to strip your sig on each post. Why do it? If you want people to read your posts and reply why go to the effort of making things deliberately difficult. I know you like winding people up (you’re good at it!), but I assume if you bother to write something in here you want it read? Or are you THAT bored 🙂

The Hatter is a simple troll who’s been begging for attention for a long time. You only need note the groups he favors, the confrontational way he writes and of course the juvenile .sig with a useless delineator to realize that. Ignore his taunting and he’ll eventually stop.

Just the opposite actually, my .sig delimiter, along with my attitude were specifically engineered to REDUCE the amount of overall attention that my posts get…I’ve tried the whole "nice" thing…it normally results in giant post explosions, thousands of emails and the kind of net.celebritism that quite frankly, I’m not interested in.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

暗号を解く秘密は何ですか？

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:13:46 -0500, dvus wrote:

You only need note the groups he favors

meaning x-posts to, and then tries to justify that
alt.vampire.flonk.whatever has something to do with HTML.

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