Epson 1280 color management problem

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Vadim Kin
Nov 24, 2003
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The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print comes out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it is way too red.

The problem occurs with a profile I made with Monaco EasyColor, and with the canned profile I downloaded from the Epson site. Both are for the premium glossy paper.

I use Photoshop CS on Windows XP Pro SP1. I also tried it with Photoshop 6 on the same system – same results. The same problem occurs with Epson 820, although Epson does not supply profiles for it, but Ian Lyons seems to think that the 810 profiles are compatible with the 820.

I use Photoshop to color manage my printing. The procedure is:

1. View – Proof setup – Custom, then choose the printer profile
2. File – Print with preview, then check Show More Options, and on the Color
Management pane set Source Space to Proof, Print Space to "Same As Source" Profile.
3. Hit Print, select the right printer, then hit Properties
4. In the Properties dialog, select the right paper, then choose "Custom"
mode, and on the Advanced tab set Color Management to "No Color Adjustment".
5. Also check Print Preview checkbox

When the preview window appears, the colors are too red, and that is the way the image will print. This seems to rule out a hardware problem with the printer (clogged nozzles, etc.). Besides, the 820 has the same problem.

I realize that I can have the printer driver (and not Photoshop) color manage my printing (and this does *not* produce the red color cast) but that precludes me from using my profile, as well as non-Epson papers that require non-Epson profiles. I also realize that the profile I made with EasyColor will not get me very far. I intend to have one professionally made, but want to solve the problem before I pay someone to make a profile for me.

Thanks in advance.

Vadim

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Peter Johnson
Nov 24, 2003
This looks like a classic case of double profiling.

In print with preview, change the source space to document and change the print space to the name of the icc profile you are using.

Make sure again printer is set to no color adjust.

Epson print preview has a bad bug and will never show correct colors when using no color adjust. It is ok to view the layout, but the colors will not be right. However, this setup should print correctly.

pj
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:16:08 GMT, "Vadim Kin" wrote:

The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print comes out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it is way too red.

The problem occurs with a profile I made with Monaco EasyColor, and with the canned profile I downloaded from the Epson site. Both are for the premium glossy paper.

I use Photoshop CS on Windows XP Pro SP1. I also tried it with Photoshop 6 on the same system – same results. The same problem occurs with Epson 820, although Epson does not supply profiles for it, but Ian Lyons seems to think that the 810 profiles are compatible with the 820.

I use Photoshop to color manage my printing. The procedure is:
1. View – Proof setup – Custom, then choose the printer profile
2. File – Print with preview, then check Show More Options, and on the Color
Management pane set Source Space to Proof, Print Space to "Same As Source" Profile.
3. Hit Print, select the right printer, then hit Properties
4. In the Properties dialog, select the right paper, then choose "Custom"
mode, and on the Advanced tab set Color Management to "No Color Adjustment".
5. Also check Print Preview checkbox

When the preview window appears, the colors are too red, and that is the way the image will print. This seems to rule out a hardware problem with the printer (clogged nozzles, etc.). Besides, the 820 has the same problem.
I realize that I can have the printer driver (and not Photoshop) color manage my printing (and this does *not* produce the red color cast) but that precludes me from using my profile, as well as non-Epson papers that require non-Epson profiles. I also realize that the profile I made with EasyColor will not get me very far. I intend to have one professionally made, but want to solve the problem before I pay someone to make a profile for me.
Thanks in advance.

Vadim
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nomail
Nov 24, 2003
Vadim Kin wrote:

The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print comes out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it is way too red.

The problem occurs with a profile I made with Monaco EasyColor, and with the canned profile I downloaded from the Epson site. Both are for the premium glossy paper.

I use Photoshop CS on Windows XP Pro SP1. I also tried it with Photoshop 6 on the same system – same results. The same problem occurs with Epson 820, although Epson does not supply profiles for it, but Ian Lyons seems to think that the 810 profiles are compatible with the 820.

I use Photoshop to color manage my printing. The procedure is:
1. View – Proof setup – Custom, then choose the printer profile
2. File – Print with preview, then check Show More Options, and on the Color
Management pane set Source Space to Proof, Print Space to "Same As Source" Profile.
3. Hit Print, select the right printer, then hit Properties
4. In the Properties dialog, select the right paper, then choose "Custom"
mode, and on the Advanced tab set Color Management to "No Color Adjustment".
5. Also check Print Preview checkbox

When the preview window appears, the colors are too red, and that is the way the image will print. This seems to rule out a hardware problem with the printer (clogged nozzles, etc.). Besides, the 820 has the same problem.
I realize that I can have the printer driver (and not Photoshop) color manage my printing (and this does *not* produce the red color cast) but that precludes me from using my profile, as well as non-Epson papers that require non-Epson profiles. I also realize that the profile I made with EasyColor will not get me very far. I intend to have one professionally made, but want to solve the problem before I pay someone to make a profile for me.

You are using the correct setup, and "double profiling" as was suggested by some one else is certainly NOT your problem. I notice that you use "Proof setup", but did you ever really LOOKED at the proof before printing it? It could well be that your proof has that color cast too… After all, your preview window shows the color cast you say, so actually what you see is what you get. But if you ignore what you see…

Are you printing a RGB file or a CMYK file?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/
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Derek Fountain
Nov 25, 2003
The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print comes
out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it is way too red.

I have exactly the same problem with my Epson895. I have had for a year or more, through PS6 and PS7. Many images print OK, but those where red is in any way dominant look awful – the red blows out way out of proportion. I spent hours surfing the net looking for a solution, and wasted loads of expensive paper and ink. As far as I can tell I’m doing everything right; I never did figure out where the problem is.

My solution is not to print images where the overloading of red will show. I recently went on a trip to the "red centre" of Australia (Alice Springs, Ayers Rock, Kings Canyon, etc.) and took a whole load of photos. I can’t print those images. I actually did print one, and I did so by putting a curves adjustment layer on top of the finished image. Using trial and error I dropped the red right down in the curves, then printed a small version to see how it looked. A dozen or so small sized efforts later I got a full sized image which looked mostly like what I had on the screen.

I have no idea why this problem persists. If you figure it out make sure you post the solution to the group!
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Vadim Kin
Nov 25, 2003
Johan,

I did look at the proof (ctrl-y), and it looked very similar to the original image. I am printing an RGB file – my working color space is Adobe RGB 1998, and that’s the profile the image is tagged with.

Thanks

Vadim

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Vadim Kin wrote:

The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print
comes
out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it
is
way too red.

The problem occurs with a profile I made with Monaco EasyColor, and with
the
canned profile I downloaded from the Epson site. Both are for the
premium
glossy paper.

I use Photoshop CS on Windows XP Pro SP1. I also tried it with
Photoshop 6
on the same system – same results. The same problem occurs with Epson
820,
although Epson does not supply profiles for it, but Ian Lyons seems to
think
that the 810 profiles are compatible with the 820.

I use Photoshop to color manage my printing. The procedure is:
1. View – Proof setup – Custom, then choose the printer profile
2. File – Print with preview, then check Show More Options, and on the
Color
Management pane set Source Space to Proof, Print Space to "Same As
Source"
Profile.
3. Hit Print, select the right printer, then hit Properties
4. In the Properties dialog, select the right paper, then choose
"Custom"
mode, and on the Advanced tab set Color Management to "No Color
Adjustment".
5. Also check Print Preview checkbox

When the preview window appears, the colors are too red, and that is the
way
the image will print. This seems to rule out a hardware problem with
the
printer (clogged nozzles, etc.). Besides, the 820 has the same problem.
I realize that I can have the printer driver (and not Photoshop) color manage my printing (and this does *not* produce the red color cast) but
that
precludes me from using my profile, as well as non-Epson papers that
require
non-Epson profiles. I also realize that the profile I made with
EasyColor
will not get me very far. I intend to have one professionally made, but want to solve the problem before I pay someone to make a profile for me.

You are using the correct setup, and "double profiling" as was suggested by some one else is certainly NOT your problem. I notice that you use "Proof setup", but did you ever really LOOKED at the proof before printing it? It could well be that your proof has that color cast too… After all, your preview window shows the color cast you say, so actually what you see is what you get. But if you ignore what you see…
Are you printing a RGB file or a CMYK file?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/
VK
Vadim Kin
Nov 25, 2003
Peter,

The color space changes you are suggesting are meant to make the print more closely resemble the document, rather than the proof. The difference should be small, and it is small in my case.

And yes, the printer driver is set for no color adjustment.

Having analyzed what you’ve said, I noticed that the preview image is considerably more red than the actual print. I have to confess I did not do very much actual printing of this image, having seen a couple prints that are too red I was only looking at the preview in my further experimentation.

Now, about the print that is too red. It is definitely too red when it comes out of the printer, but then (and I was not aware of it yesterday) it gets darker and substantially less red, to the point that the print I made with the canned profile looks pretty good. I suppose this is akin to the drydown effect that us wet darkroom crazies have known for a long time – a Cibachrome print comes out of the processor too light and too red, but then normalizes as it dries.

And about the profile that I made. I don’t quite know what to make of that. I know I put the calibration target into the scanner too soon – now I know I should have waited for perhaps as long as a day before I did that. But if it had printed too red, the profile I made should have compensated by printing images more toward cyan. Well, I’ll know in a couple days once I make a profile with a dry target, and let the print I make with the profile dry. Of course it may be that EzColor just can’t make an acceptable printer profile for glossy paper, I was never terribly optimistic about that anyway, just wanted to make sure I know how to use printer profiles before I have a profile made.

So, thank you for pointing out the bug in the Epson driver, and I’ll keep the group posted.

Vadim
"Peter Johnson" wrote in message
This looks like a classic case of double profiling.

In print with preview, change the source space to document and change the print space to the name of the icc profile you are using.

Make sure again printer is set to no color adjust.

Epson print preview has a bad bug and will never show correct colors when using no color adjust. It is ok to view the layout, but the colors will not be right. However, this setup should print correctly.

pj
=========

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:16:08 GMT, "Vadim Kin" wrote:

The short of it is that when I use profiles from Photoshop, the print
comes
out way too red-magenta. I am not talking a subtle color cast, no, it is way too red.

The problem occurs with a profile I made with Monaco EasyColor, and with
the
canned profile I downloaded from the Epson site. Both are for the
premium
glossy paper.

I use Photoshop CS on Windows XP Pro SP1. I also tried it with Photoshop
6
on the same system – same results. The same problem occurs with Epson
820,
although Epson does not supply profiles for it, but Ian Lyons seems to
think
that the 810 profiles are compatible with the 820.

I use Photoshop to color manage my printing. The procedure is:
1. View – Proof setup – Custom, then choose the printer profile
2. File – Print with preview, then check Show More Options, and on the
Color
Management pane set Source Space to Proof, Print Space to "Same As
Source"
Profile.
3. Hit Print, select the right printer, then hit Properties
4. In the Properties dialog, select the right paper, then choose "Custom"
mode, and on the Advanced tab set Color Management to "No Color
Adjustment".
5. Also check Print Preview checkbox

When the preview window appears, the colors are too red, and that is the
way
the image will print. This seems to rule out a hardware problem with the printer (clogged nozzles, etc.). Besides, the 820 has the same problem.
I realize that I can have the printer driver (and not Photoshop) color manage my printing (and this does *not* produce the red color cast) but
that
precludes me from using my profile, as well as non-Epson papers that
require
non-Epson profiles. I also realize that the profile I made with
EasyColor
will not get me very far. I intend to have one professionally made, but want to solve the problem before I pay someone to make a profile for me.
Thanks in advance.

Vadim

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