Helicopter rotars

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:34:01 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way?

Well, I’d start by making them look like real rotors and not whatever it is you’ve got on that thing…

They are real rotars see here
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/AirOps/Images/Desktop1_80 0x600.bmp the image was taken from there but on my image the background does not go. "Voivod" wrote in message

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:34:01 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way?

Well, I’d start by making them look like real rotors and not whatever it is you’ve got on that thing…

FIRST you should try learning more about the extract command right now you have bigger issues than realistic rotars

"Melv" wrote in message

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

In article <JWRFc.20$>, melvyn.
says…

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

If you have the original image, you might want to place it (complete) with its original background) on the background Layer that you have chosen, and eliminate the copter’s background with a Layer Mask. This will allow you to fine-tune the edge of the ship, which is visible in the example. By editing the Layer Mask, you can use most of the Painting Tools, i.e. Brush, Airbrush, etc. and can work until you are satisfied. This allows you to go back and add more (by eliminating parts of the Mask), or subtract more (by painting in more of the Mask).

Next, some blurring of the blades, especially on their tips will enhance the feeling that they are in motion (you do wish them to appear in motion, right? ). The Smduge Tool, used on the tips, and dragging in a radial path will help. Various applications of the Blur Filters can be used. You might want to experiment on a Duplicate Layer, so that you don’t get something that you do not want.

Hunt

In article <LWYFc.588$>, melvyn.
says…

They are real rotars see here
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/AirOps/Images/Desktop1_80 0x600.bmp the image was taken from there but on my image the background does not go. "Voivod" wrote in message

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:34:01 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way?

Well, I’d start by making them look like real rotors and not whatever it is you’ve got on that thing…

Ah, they are in motion. You will probably just need to do a Blur on each blade and add a Gradient to the Mask on each blade, so that there is more blur toward the tips.

Hunt

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut the chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool and dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut the chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool and dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image. Regards Melv
"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <JWRFc.20$>, melvyn.
says…

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

If you have the original image, you might want to place it (complete) with

its

original background) on the background Layer that you have chosen, and eliminate the copter’s background with a Layer Mask. This will allow you

to

fine-tune the edge of the ship, which is visible in the example. By

editing

the Layer Mask, you can use most of the Painting Tools, i.e. Brush,

Airbrush,

etc. and can work until you are satisfied. This allows you to go back and

add

more (by eliminating parts of the Mask), or subtract more (by painting in

more

of the Mask).

Next, some blurring of the blades, especially on their tips will enhance

the

feeling that they are in motion (you do wish them to appear in motion,

right?

). The Smduge Tool, used on the tips, and dragging in a radial path will

help.

Various applications of the Blur Filters can be used. You might want to experiment on a Duplicate Layer, so that you don’t get something that you

do

not want.

Hunt

Thank you you just solved all my problems!
"Burke Snipes" wrote in message

FIRST you should try learning more about the extract command right now you have bigger issues than realistic rotars

"Melv" wrote in message

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

But I don’t think you used a Layer Mask to "separate" the helicopter from its original background. Go to the Help screen in PS and spend a bit of time reading over Layer Masks. I’ certain that a lot of folk have wonderful tutorials on using that method, but I don’t have any URL’s. A Search for them in Google will probably yield results. Use this image as a practice one, and I’ll bet you can improve on it in a few "lessons."

Don’t hesitate to ask for more critiques and good luck,
Hunt

In article <kXbGc.38$>, melvyn.
says…

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut the chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool and dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image. Regards Melv
"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <JWRFc.20$>, melvyn.
says…

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

If you have the original image, you might want to place it (complete) with

its

original background) on the background Layer that you have chosen, and eliminate the copter’s background with a Layer Mask. This will allow you

to

fine-tune the edge of the ship, which is visible in the example. By

editing

the Layer Mask, you can use most of the Painting Tools, i.e. Brush,

Airbrush,

etc. and can work until you are satisfied. This allows you to go back and

add

more (by eliminating parts of the Mask), or subtract more (by painting in

more

of the Mask).

Next, some blurring of the blades, especially on their tips will enhance

the

feeling that they are in motion (you do wish them to appear in motion,

right?

). The Smduge Tool, used on the tips, and dragging in a radial path will

help.

Various applications of the Blur Filters can be used. You might want to experiment on a Duplicate Layer, so that you don’t get something that you

do

not want.

Hunt

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go crawl under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

In news:Melv typed:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

Here’s my approach. I used the magic wand on the chopper image because the fairly even background seemed appropriate for such a tool. I feathered the selection and sent it to it’s own layer. Then I made a very rough selection of the rotor and sent that to another layer; I then used the erasing brush set at, I think, 60% and passed over the rotor with it, followed by motion blurr. I then deleted the background layer, selected and copied all and pasted on your image. The result is here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mlb01/skyline2.jpg
Total time, including sending to my host, was about 3 minutes 20 seconds. As always there is so many other method with a tool like Photoshop, but the result with this one were not too bad. With more time, I would have refined the chopper contour and the rotor; In any case, I hope this help.

—
www.odysea.ca

In article <nbgGc.8994$>, coral_city2000
@NOSPAMyahoo.ca says…

In news:Melv typed:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

Here’s my approach. I used the magic wand on the chopper image because the fairly even background seemed appropriate for such a tool. I feathered the selection and sent it to it’s own layer. Then I made a very rough selection of the rotor and sent that to another layer; I then used the erasing brush set at, I think, 60% and passed over the rotor with it, followed by motion blurr. I then deleted the background layer, selected and copied all and pasted on your image. The result is here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mlb01/skyline2.jpg
Total time, including sending to my host, was about 3 minutes 20 seconds. As always there is so many other method with a tool like Photoshop, but the result with this one were not too bad. With more time, I would have refined the chopper contour and the rotor; In any case, I hope this help.

—
www.odysea.ca

Much better masking of helicopter, than the original image posted. The blurring of the blades looks good too. I think Melv can follow easily along, with your technique and I hope that it helps him/her with the project.

Hunt

Best not to bother replying to him… he’s just a troll – never said anything worthwhile – never will…

K

"Melv" wrote in message

They are real rotars see here
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/AirOps/Images/Desktop1_80 0x600.bmp the image was taken from there but on my image the background does not go. "Voivod" wrote in message

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:34:01 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way?

Well, I’d start by making them look like real rotors and not whatever it is you’ve got on that thing…

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with superiority complexes…

K

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:36:24 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Best not to bother replying to him… he’s just a troll – never said anything worthwhile – never will…

You’re not all that observant, are ya?

"Melv" wrote in message

They are real rotars see here
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/AirOps/Images/Desktop1_80 0x600.bmp the image was taken from there but on my image the background does not go. "Voivod" wrote in message

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:34:01 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to

make

the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way?

Well, I’d start by making them look like real rotors and not whatever it is you’ve got on that thing…

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:39:43 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with superiority complexes…

You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have one of those, huh?

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

"Melv" wrote in message

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

Hi Melv,

The best and quickest way is to remove the original rotors and then create 5 new layers each for an individual rotor that you will create. Use a medium grey for the base color of the rotor.

Create the rotors by using a mixture of the rectangle tool and the polygon lasso tool, once each rotor is complete use the free transform tool to fine adjust the skew and rotation of the rotors, place them slightly over the original joints and then one you have positioned all rotors in the correct places merge down all rotor layers. Ensure that the Heli is left on a seperate layer and is untouched.

Once you have done this you want to add a motion blur from the Filters -> Blur menu. play around with this filter until you get your desired result and then hey presto its done. I did this myself before writing this to ensure that I was right and it worked a treat. Have fun with it !

HTH
D.

p.s if you want to add even more detail to the rotors you can duplixcate the rotor layer xx times and adjust the blur settings and opacity to make the rotors look even more realistic.

Just run that past me again – in English…

K

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:39:43 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with superiority complexes…

You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have one of those, huh?

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to

cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:09:24 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Just run that past me again – in English…

Why certainly:

You’re a fuckwit.

Was that any clearer?

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:39:43 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with superiority complexes…

You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have one of those, huh?

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to

cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:10:33 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you go crawl under a stone?

Was that a question or are you too stupid to tell the difference between a question mark and a period?

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

In article , says…

<snipped insipid, lil angry spoiled child bullshit>

A greeting card for ya Voidhead…
(something for you to play with…instead of yer pecker.)

http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:47:21 GMT, The Magician
scribbled:

<snipped insipid, lil angry spoiled child bullshit>

It was a valid question. Fuck ya if you didn’t like the way it was worded.

Yep, troll status confirmed…

K

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:09:24 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Just run that past me again – in English…

Why certainly:

You’re a fuckwit.

Was that any clearer?

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:39:43 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with

superiority

complexes…

You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have

one

of those, huh?

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you

go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer

to

cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with

move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

You really are a tough little troll aren’t you – spouting badly worded gibberish then jumping on someone for making a single punctuation error!

I quote: "You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have one of those, huh?"

K

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:47:21 GMT, The Magician
scribbled:

<snipped insipid, lil angry spoiled child bullshit>

It was a valid question. Fuck ya if you didn’t like the way it was worded.

"Kilgore Trout" wrote in message

Just run that past me again – in English…

LMAO

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:39:43 GMT, "Kilgore Trout" scribbled:

Please ignore trolls! There’s several in here, morons with superiority complexes…

You a complex like thinking they can label people and tell other people who to pay attention to and who to ignore? Yeah, you do seem to have one of those, huh?

"Melv" wrote in message

You obviously are an expert yet offer no real advice? I suggest you

go

crawl

under a stone?
"Voivod" wrote in message

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:36:32 GMT, "Melv"
scribbled:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to

cut

the

chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with

move

tool

and

dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.

And it shows!

"The Magician" wrote in message

In article ,

says…

<snipped insipid, lil angry spoiled child bullshit>
A greeting card for ya Voidhead…
(something for you to play with…instead of yer pecker.)
http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/

What a great friggin site. I’m still laughing!
And well deserved.

EXCELLENT

"Deco_time" wrote in message

In news:Melv typed:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

Here’s my approach. I used the magic wand on the chopper image because the fairly even background seemed appropriate for such a tool. I feathered the selection and sent it to it’s own layer. Then I made a very rough selection of the rotor and sent that to another layer; I then used the erasing brush set at, I think, 60% and passed over the rotor with it, followed by motion blurr. I then deleted the background layer, selected and copied all and pasted on your image. The result is here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mlb01/skyline2.jpg
Total time, including sending to my host, was about 3 minutes 20 seconds. As always there is so many other method with a tool like Photoshop, but the result with this one were not too bad. With more time, I would have refined the chopper contour and the rotor; In any case, I hope this help.

—
www.odysea.ca

Melv wrote:

Thank you for your comments I did in fact use a duplicate layer to cut the chopper out, I used polygonal lasso then draged the image with move tool and dropped it into the other image and then flattened the image.
Regards Melv

Don’t bite me, but I have to agree the cutout isn’t exactly great. Also I think the rotor blades somehow seem to be in a very wrong perspective. I also immediately thought I’d leave them out altogether and make new ones myself. Alternatively you may have to use the Transform tools to shape it better.

The cutout you can do MUCH better, even using the Extract tool (under filters). Besides, try to master the use of layer masks. You don’t really need to copy a cutout from another layer, you just paint the layer mask in white and black to show/hide parts of the layer you added the mask to. This way you never damage the original and can simply restore whatever mishaps you get. Maybe the Pen tool is a nice feature for this one too. But as said, I’d start trying the Extract command.

Adding movement to the rotor blades ? Maybe using the wind tool, motion blur, but it could prove a tricky job with the rotors in all different directions.
And flattening the end result mostly should be one of the last steps. Rather work in separate layers during the editing.
HTH

Pjotr

Deco_time wrote:

In news:Melv typed:

See the image http://www.ukmidlandscanner.co.uk/chopper.htm I need to make the rotars more convincing obviously, but what is the best way? Melv

Here’s my approach. I used the magic wand on the chopper image because the fairly even background seemed appropriate for such a tool. I feathered the selection and sent it to it’s own layer. Then I made a very rough selection of the rotor and sent that to another layer; I then used the erasing brush set at, I think, 60% and passed over the rotor with it, followed by motion blurr. I then deleted the background layer, selected and copied all and pasted on your image. The result is here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mlb01/skyline2.jpg Total time, including sending to my host, was about 3 minutes 20 seconds. As always there is so many other method with a tool like Photoshop, but the result with this one were not too bad. With more time, I would have refined the chopper contour and the rotor; In any case, I hope this help.

I’m impressed too Deco_time! Great result for such a quick job. Why do I always have such a hard time finding the right tool where you seem to pick the right one immediately !??? Are you perhaps a paid
rotorblademovementartist ? Thanks!
Pjotr!