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Jul 27, 2004
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Hey Everyone,

I wanted to use photoshop to fix up some photos that I’ve taken on my digital camera, and was hoping that someone could give some suggestions on how to go about doing a few things. Now some of this stuff I understand is probably not fixable, but what can be fixed I would love some pointers on. Im not a total novice to photoshop, just mostly!

1. A few of my pictures, it looks like the lens on my camera got a fingerprint on it, so the top middle part of the pictures are consistantly a little blurry. Is there anyway to remove this?

2. Motion blue — I didnt want to look like that big of a tourist so I tried to take some of my pictures as quickly as possible, which ultimetly led to some minor motion blur. Anyway of repairing something like that?

3. This is one I’m almost sure isnt repairable, but a lot of my pictures are kind of grainy looking. I figured out that turning down the ISO on my camera helped this problem, but I still have it to a degree. It’s probably mostly caused by a dirty lens in conjunction with the fact that my camera doesn’t have an incredibly high megapixel rating (1.3).

Anyways, just let me know what you think, and if you need some examples of what I’m talking about, I should probably have some photos on the intenret by tomorrow,

Thanks in advance!

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She
Jul 27, 2004
Looking at your examples will be easier to decide if they are fixable or not. Blur is pretty much impossible to fix, in my opinion. Maybe it can be smoothed down, but the blur will still be there. :/

And again depending on the amount of noise, the grain can be reduced with the blur tool or the noise filters, filters>noise>median is my favorite tool.

There are a few people who restore photos around here, they might have better suggestions. 🙂

"Burgermeister" wrote in message
Hey Everyone,

I wanted to use photoshop to fix up some photos that I’ve taken on my digital camera, and was hoping that someone could give some suggestions on how to go about doing a few things. Now some of this stuff I understand is probably not fixable, but what can be fixed I would love some pointers on. Im not a total novice to photoshop, just mostly!

1. A few of my pictures, it looks like the lens on my camera got a fingerprint on it, so the top middle part of the pictures are consistantly
a
little blurry. Is there anyway to remove this?

2. Motion blue — I didnt want to look like that big of a tourist so I
tried
to take some of my pictures as quickly as possible, which ultimetly led to some minor motion blur. Anyway of repairing something like that?
3. This is one I’m almost sure isnt repairable, but a lot of my pictures
are
kind of grainy looking. I figured out that turning down the ISO on my
camera
helped this problem, but I still have it to a degree. It’s probably mostly caused by a dirty lens in conjunction with the fact that my camera doesn’t have an incredibly high megapixel rating (1.3).

Anyways, just let me know what you think, and if you need some examples of what I’m talking about, I should probably have some photos on the intenret by tomorrow,

Thanks in advance!
K
Kingdom
Jul 27, 2004
"Burgermeister" wrote in
news:FylNc.195059$:

Hey Everyone,

I wanted to use photoshop to fix up some photos that I’ve taken on my digital camera, and was hoping that someone could give some suggestions on how to go about doing a few things. Now some of this stuff I understand is probably not fixable, but what can be fixed I would love some pointers on. Im not a total novice to photoshop, just mostly!

1. A few of my pictures, it looks like the lens on my camera got a fingerprint on it, so the top middle part of the pictures are consistantly a little blurry. Is there anyway to remove this?
2. Motion blue — I didnt want to look like that big of a tourist so I tried to take some of my pictures as quickly as possible, which ultimetly led to some minor motion blur. Anyway of repairing something like that?

3. This is one I’m almost sure isnt repairable, but a lot of my pictures are kind of grainy looking. I figured out that turning down the ISO on my camera helped this problem, but I still have it to a degree. It’s probably mostly caused by a dirty lens in conjunction with the fact that my camera doesn’t have an incredibly high megapixel rating (1.3).

Anyways, just let me know what you think, and if you need some examples of what I’m talking about, I should probably have some photos on the intenret by tomorrow,

Thanks in advance!

Really need to see them, either put them on a web site or post them to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities, its for anything to do with pictures including pictures.

There is no substitute for good originals, it pays to learn to take good sharp images. check the lense is clean, keep you elbows by your sides, hold your breath and gently sqeeze the shutter button.

Occasionaly a bad shot can be made to look good, personaly I’d say one in a hundred + usualy they just get trashed. decision time is when you press the shutter and with digital pics you can check you have what you want before you move on.

Blured images are dead unless you are happy to have them severly filtered, there is no excuse for dirty lenses.

Grain is usualy associated with under exposure or trying to get to many pics at low quality. On a 1.3 keep the image quality at max, this means less pics per memory card, buy more cards.


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bagal
Jul 27, 2004
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml

This may help – let us know how you get on

Kind regards

Arts

"Burgermeister" wrote in message
Hey Everyone,

I wanted to use photoshop to fix up some photos that I’ve taken on my digital camera, and was hoping that someone could give some suggestions on how to go about doing a few things. Now some of this stuff I understand is probably not fixable, but what can be fixed I would love some pointers on. Im not a total novice to photoshop, just mostly!

1. A few of my pictures, it looks like the lens on my camera got a fingerprint on it, so the top middle part of the pictures are consistantly
a
little blurry. Is there anyway to remove this?

2. Motion blue — I didnt want to look like that big of a tourist so I
tried
to take some of my pictures as quickly as possible, which ultimetly led to some minor motion blur. Anyway of repairing something like that?
3. This is one I’m almost sure isnt repairable, but a lot of my pictures
are
kind of grainy looking. I figured out that turning down the ISO on my
camera
helped this problem, but I still have it to a degree. It’s probably mostly caused by a dirty lens in conjunction with the fact that my camera doesn’t have an incredibly high megapixel rating (1.3).

Anyways, just let me know what you think, and if you need some examples of what I’m talking about, I should probably have some photos on the intenret by tomorrow,

Thanks in advance!
JF
John Forest
Jul 27, 2004
There is a program called neat image that does a fair job of reducing grain in photos taken at a high ISO speed It is available as a free download at the web site www.neatimage.com I think that’s the link, otherwise check on Google.
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Burgermeister
Jul 27, 2004
Okay, I got my pictures online, so here are some examples of what I’m talking about:

Here is an example of a motion blurred image:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00009.JPG

Here is an example of an image with a thumbprint on it:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00036.JPG

And finally here is a picture that exhibit the graininess that I speak of: http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00001.JPG I’m starting to think that the graininess has more to do with not using enough flash than a dirty lens.

Anyways, lemme know what you think.
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bagal
Jul 27, 2004
ah – a ps: with acknowledgement to Bart van der Wolf

Arts

"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml
This may help – let us know how you get on

Kind regards

Arts
K
Kingdom
Jul 27, 2004
"Burgermeister" wrote in
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Okay, I got my pictures online, so here are some examples of what I’m talking about:

Here is an example of a motion blurred image:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00009.JPG

Yup this is motion blur, the type of thing you get taking pictures from a car. There is no cure, the image can be forced to appear sharper but in my opinion its a waste of time as the original detail just does not exist so there is always a trade off in hue value and saturation. Learn the lesson here and aim to be ‘frozen’ when you press the shutter.

Here is an example of an image with a thumbprint on it:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00036.JPG

Much like blurr the original detail does not exist so cannot be recovered. This is one of the main reasons cameras have lense covers. Always carry a cloth.

And finally here is a picture that exhibit the graininess that I speak of: http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00001.JPG I’m starting to think that the graininess has more to do with not using enough flash than a dirty lens.

As I mentioned, grain is usually a result of under exposure or as you correctly identified you need more flash. You’ll notice the furniture on the left is much less grainy, being near the window it recieved much more light. There is no substiture for bright sunshine, even the built in flash on digital cameras is of very limited use.

All three could be manipulated but the results wouldn’t be much better than they are at the moment. My choice would be to bin them and take a little more time next trip

Anyways, lemme know what you think.


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Tabasco1
Jul 28, 2004
"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml
This may help – let us know how you get on

I may not have looked hard enough but I saw not examples. If I had a product that you could bet that I would post lots of examples.

Did you see examples?

Charles
Torrance, California
http://www.tcpslashipdomains.com
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Tabasco1
Jul 28, 2004
"Burgermeister" wrote in message
Okay, I got my pictures online, so here are some examples of what I’m talking about:

Here is an example of a motion blurred image:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00009.JPG

You could of course fix the casting issues then paint the thing sharper but yikes that would be a LOT of work for something that still wouldn’t be as good as the picture taken with sunlight.

Here is an example of an image with a thumbprint on it:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00036.JPG
Clean with a cloth retake.

And finally here is a picture that exhibit the graininess that I speak
of:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/Photos/San_Antonio/DSC00001.JPG I’m starting to think that the graininess has more to do with not using enough flash than a dirty lens.

The graininess is a function of the lighting. That it is purple is because the auto white-balance did not do a great job.

Good light is necessary for all forms of photography. But even more so for digital cameras.

Charles
Torrance, California
http://www.tcpslashipdomains.com
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bagal
Jul 28, 2004
try then this examples use for of

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/

Arts

"Tabasco1" wrote in message
"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml
This may help – let us know how you get on

I may not have looked hard enough but I saw not examples. If I had a
product
that you could bet that I would post lots of examples.

Did you see examples?

Charles
Torrance, California
http://www.tcpslashipdomains.com

B
bagal
Jul 28, 2004
this failing try that
http://www.reindeergraphics.com/tutorial/index.shtml

mama mia

Arty

"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
try then this examples use for of

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/

Arts

"Tabasco1" wrote in message
"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml
This may help – let us know how you get on

I may not have looked hard enough but I saw not examples. If I had a
product
that you could bet that I would post lots of examples.

Did you see examples?

Charles
Torrance, California
http://www.tcpslashipdomains.com

PN
Peter Nixon
Jul 28, 2004
"Burgermeister" wrote in message
Hey Everyone,

I wanted to use photoshop to fix up some photos that I’ve taken on my digital camera, and was hoping that someone could give some suggestions on how to go about doing a few things. Now some of this stuff I understand is probably not fixable, but what can be fixed I would love some pointers on. Im not a total novice to photoshop, just mostly!

1. A few of my pictures, it looks like the lens on my camera got a fingerprint on it, so the top middle part of the pictures are consistantly
a
little blurry. Is there anyway to remove this?

2. Motion blue — I didnt want to look like that big of a tourist so I
tried
to take some of my pictures as quickly as possible, which ultimetly led to some minor motion blur. Anyway of repairing something like that?
3. This is one I’m almost sure isnt repairable, but a lot of my pictures
are
kind of grainy looking. I figured out that turning down the ISO on my
camera
helped this problem, but I still have it to a degree. It’s probably mostly caused by a dirty lens in conjunction with the fact that my camera doesn’t have an incredibly high megapixel rating (1.3).

Anyways, just let me know what you think, and if you need some examples of what I’m talking about, I should probably have some photos on the intenret by tomorrow,

Thanks in advance!

I had a quick play; if you have an email addy, I’ll send them on.

HTH

Peter
PW
Pjotr Wedersteers
Jul 28, 2004
John Forest wrote:
There is a program called neat image that does a fair job of reducing grain in photos taken at a high ISO speed It is available as a free download at the web site www.neatimage.com I think that’s the link, otherwise check on Google.

Only the limited version is free, not sure what functionality that version has…

I also found NoiseWare Community Edition, which is also free (www.imagenomic.com)
Pjotr
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Tabasco1
Jul 28, 2004
"Arty Phacting" wrote in message
This is serendipity in action? Folks?

http://www.reindeergraphics.com/foveapro/deconvolution.shtml
This may help – let us know how you get on

Kind regards

Arts
They didn’t seem to have a demo for Foeva Pro which had the refocusing tool you recommended. So, I tried the Optipix demo… It might have some promise but seemed to insert quite a bit of noise.

Charles
Torrance, California
http://www.tcpslashipdomains.com
JF
John Forest
Jul 28, 2004
I have been using it for a few months and it seems quite functional. The big difference it that it is not a plug-in, but a stand-alone program. If you exercise some patience in setting up the program it does a pretty good job. I found that they had profiles for my digital camera available for free downloading and they considerably improve my images taken at higher film speed indexes. If they don’t have a profile you can analyze the image as long as it has an area in it with little or no detail, like a plain wall.
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Burgermeister
Jul 28, 2004
Yea, I’d love to see how you fixed them up. I don’t think spammers scan actually posts for addresses, but just in case, here’s my email address that I dont mind if it gets hit by spam:
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Burgermeister
Jul 28, 2004
I’ll check some of these programs later tonight when I have some more time. I think a friend actually showed me neatpic or whatever it’s called, but I didnt’ pay much attention to it at the time. I’ll have to check it out again, as well as with the other one
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Burgermeister
Jul 28, 2004
So, I guess, judging from what most of you are telling me, the best thing I can do is just be more aware when I’m actually taking pictures in the future. Bummer, but I guess this should be a lesson to me. Now, the most consistant problem I’ve had with my camera is the graininess, and for that I can
1. USE THE FRIGGIN’ FLASH!
2. Turn down the ISO
3. Anything else come to mind?

BTW, She, I tried that filter you suggested, but for any effect it made the picture lose a considerable amount of quality….it is a nice filter though….maybe If I played around with it some more, I could get it to give the effect I want. Maybe if I mess around with the opacity of the filter I could get it to work…
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Hecate
Jul 29, 2004
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:00:34 GMT, "Burgermeister" wrote:

So, I guess, judging from what most of you are telling me, the best thing I can do is just be more aware when I’m actually taking pictures in the future. Bummer, but I guess this should be a lesson to me. Now, the most consistant problem I’ve had with my camera is the graininess, and for that I can
1. USE THE FRIGGIN’ FLASH!
2. Turn down the ISO
3. Anything else come to mind?

Yes, make that off camera flash 🙂



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
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DE
Jul 29, 2004
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 07/28/2004 6:24 PM:

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:00:34 GMT, "Burgermeister" wrote:

So, I guess, judging from what most of you are telling me, the best thing I can do is just be more aware when I’m actually taking pictures in the future. Bummer, but I guess this should be a lesson to me. Now, the most consistant problem I’ve had with my camera is the graininess, and for that I can
1. USE THE FRIGGIN’ FLASH!
2. Turn down the ISO
3. Anything else come to mind?

Yes, make that camera flash up your butt!



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

Now that was not very nice, Hecate.
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Burgermeister
Jul 29, 2004
Wow, neatimage really works well! Check out the effect it had on the picture I posted as being grainy:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/DSC00001_filtered.jpg
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She
Jul 29, 2004
Yes, it’s a good filter to learn. I use it with masks and I always turn the opacity down. Photoshopgurus has a good tutorial on improving skin tones:

http://photoshopgurus.info/intermediate/photo_makeover/photo _makeover.shtml

Good Luck 🙂

"Burgermeister" wrote in message
So, I guess, judging from what most of you are telling me, the best thing
I
can do is just be more aware when I’m actually taking pictures in the future. Bummer, but I guess this should be a lesson to me. Now, the most consistant problem I’ve had with my camera is the graininess, and for that
I
can
1. USE THE FRIGGIN’ FLASH!
2. Turn down the ISO
3. Anything else come to mind?

BTW, She, I tried that filter you suggested, but for any effect it made
the
picture lose a considerable amount of quality….it is a nice filter though….maybe If I played around with it some more, I could get it to
give
the effect I want. Maybe if I mess around with the opacity of the filter I could get it to work…
B
bagal
Jul 29, 2004
Can’t I just take your word for it?

Arty

"Burgermeister" wrote in message
Wow, neatimage really works well! Check out the effect it had on the
picture
I posted as being grainy:
http://www.inaneasylum.org/DSC00001_filtered.jpg

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