LCD monitor for Photoshop … LaCie or NEC?

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Bill Hilton
Jul 10, 2006
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I need to replace my aging 21" Viewsonic Graphics Pro monitor (CRT) and it looks like it’s time to jump to LCDs … both NEC and LaCie are now specifying the % of AdobeRGB gamut their high end graphics models can display and it looks like the ~70% gamut ones are in my price range (unfortunately 100% of AdobeRGB in an LCD monitor costs many thousands of $$ right now).

I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these? I’ll have to buy it mail-order so can’t play with it at a dealer’s in advance.

Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag Eye-One?

Thanks.

Bill

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Bart van der Wolf
Jul 11, 2006
"Bill Hilton" wrote in message
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I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these?

I’ve been using the LaCie 321 since my Trinitron tube went south. It’s quite insensitive to viewing angle.

Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag Eye-One?

The EyeOne Photo (the spectrophotometer) is what I use, and I have only minor issues in creating good profiles, slightly in excess of sRGB gamut in the Reds/Yellows, slightly less in the Blues/Cyans. Gamma in the midtones is slightly(!) off if driven as a digital display but close enough (I may need to get the black point characterized better, which is an issue on most LCDs).

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Bob Williams
Jul 18, 2006
Bill Hilton wrote:

I need to replace my aging 21" Viewsonic Graphics Pro monitor (CRT) and it looks like it’s time to jump to LCDs … both NEC and LaCie are now specifying the % of AdobeRGB gamut their high end graphics models can display and it looks like the ~70% gamut ones are in my price range (unfortunately 100% of AdobeRGB in an LCD monitor costs many thousands of $$ right now).

I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these? I’ll have to buy it mail-order so can’t play with it at a dealer’s in advance.
Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag Eye-One?

Thanks.

Bill
What is the main Driving Force in your decision to switch from CRT to LCD? Will you not be taking a hit in Color Gamut at a substantial increase in Price?
Bob Williams
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John Passaneau
Jul 18, 2006
"Bob Williams" wrote in message
Bill Hilton wrote:

I need to replace my aging 21" Viewsonic Graphics Pro monitor (CRT) and it looks like it’s time to jump to LCDs … both NEC and LaCie are now specifying the % of AdobeRGB gamut their high end graphics models can display and it looks like the ~70% gamut ones are in my price range (unfortunately 100% of AdobeRGB in an LCD monitor costs many thousands of $$ right now).

I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these? I’ll have to buy it mail-order so can’t play with it at a dealer’s in advance.
Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag Eye-One? Thanks.

Bill
What is the main Driving Force in your decision to switch from CRT to LCD? Will you not be taking a hit in Color Gamut at a substantial increase in Price?
Bob Williams

I’ve read this loss of Color Gamut as a hit against LCD monitors many times. I’ve been wondering if it’s just a red herring, at least for my case. I am a photographer, my work is almost exclusively meant to be printed on paper by an inkjet printer. I know that no inkjet printer can reproduce the full Gamut that a CRT can show. The question is, why would I care or even want a monitor that can show more colors than even the best printer can? I’ve spent a lot of money and effort to get my screen (a CRT by the way) to look as close to my prints as possible. If LCD displays come closers to what I see on paper I would be very happy.


John Passaneau
Penn State University
Physics Dept.
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EDM
Jul 18, 2006
"John Passaneau" wrote in message
"Bob Williams" wrote in message
Bill Hilton wrote:

I need to replace my aging 21" Viewsonic Graphics Pro monitor (CRT) and it looks like it’s time to jump to LCDs … both NEC and LaCie are now specifying the % of AdobeRGB gamut their high end graphics models can display and it looks like the ~70% gamut ones are in my price range (unfortunately 100% of AdobeRGB in an LCD monitor costs many thousands of $$ right now).

I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these? I’ll have to buy it mail-order so can’t play with it at a dealer’s in advance.
Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag Eye-One? Thanks.

Bill
What is the main Driving Force in your decision to switch from CRT to LCD? Will you not be taking a hit in Color Gamut at a substantial increase in Price?
Bob Williams

I’ve read this loss of Color Gamut as a hit against LCD monitors many times. I’ve been wondering if it’s just a red herring, at least for my case. I am a photographer, my work is almost exclusively meant to be printed on paper by an inkjet printer. I know that no inkjet printer can reproduce the full Gamut that a CRT can show. The question is, why would I care or even want a monitor that can show more colors than even the best printer can? I’ve spent a lot of money and effort to get my screen (a CRT by the way) to look as close to my prints as possible. If LCD displays come closers to what I see on paper I would be very happy.

You didn’t mention whether you’re a pro photographer or
a hobbyist, and the difference would determine whether an LCD monitor is "good enough". Even an inkjet printer can reproduce noise, color casts etc in near-blacks that will not be visible on most consumer LCDs.
JP
John Passaneau
Jul 18, 2006
"EDM" wrote in message
"John Passaneau" wrote in message
"Bob Williams" wrote in message
Bill Hilton wrote:

I need to replace my aging 21" Viewsonic Graphics Pro monitor (CRT) and
it looks like it’s time to jump to LCDs … both NEC and LaCie are now specifying the % of AdobeRGB gamut their high end graphics models can display and it looks like the ~70% gamut ones are in my price range (unfortunately 100% of AdobeRGB in an LCD monitor costs many thousands of $$ right now).

I’m looking specifically at these models … LaCie 321 (21.3") and LaCie 319 (19") or NEC LCD2180UX or LCD1980 … probably leaning toward
the LaCie.

So, anyone have any hands-on experience with any of these? I’ll have to buy it mail-order so can’t play with it at a dealer’s in advance.
Any issues generating ICC profiles with either of these with the Gretag
Eye-One? Thanks.

Bill
What is the main Driving Force in your decision to switch from CRT to LCD?
Will you not be taking a hit in Color Gamut at a substantial increase in
Price?
Bob Williams

I’ve read this loss of Color Gamut as a hit against LCD monitors many times.
I’ve been wondering if it’s just a red herring, at least for my case. I am a
photographer, my work is almost exclusively meant to be printed on paper by
an inkjet printer. I know that no inkjet printer can reproduce the full Gamut that a CRT can show. The question is, why would I care or even want a
monitor that can show more colors than even the best printer can? I’ve spent
a lot of money and effort to get my screen (a CRT by the way) to look as close to my prints as possible. If LCD displays come closers to what I see
on paper I would be very happy.

You didn’t mention whether you’re a pro photographer or
a hobbyist, and the difference would determine whether an LCD monitor is "good enough". Even an inkjet printer can reproduce noise, color casts etc in near-blacks that will not be visible on most consumer LCDs.

I’m not a pro, in the meaning that I make my living from photography, but I do have prints in the permanent collection of a university museum. I’ve been published in several magazines. I’m currently waiting to hear if I will make the cover of Science. Also I’ve been published in the New York Times. I been an active photographer since 1970, and have just recently moved from wet photography with my own darkroom to digital photography. I’m in the separating lore from fact mode in digital photography. There is a great deal of folk lore in photography as most photographers are of an artistic bent and not from science (dark) side.


John Passaneau
Penn State University
Physics Dept.

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