Proof Setup question……..

You don’t seem to understand how to use proofing. Software proofing is used as a very crude preview of the target output.

If you are going to print your image on a CMYK printer, for example, you need to set your proof setup to use the printer’s profile and turn on Proof Colors. The display will try to simulate how colors would look on that printer (display, canvas, whatever).

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

Needless to say, you need profiles to use proofing effectively, but fortunately some profiles come bundled with Photoshop. Learn about those profiles (try a google search with the name of the profile you want to read about) and learn about Color Management in general.

One suggestion: read the fucking manual. It’s very informative and you wouldn’t be asking questions like this if you read it.

Frances Del Rio wrote:

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

you’re right, I don’t understand this thing very well, this is why I posted my question.. I did read the manual (at least the stuff in HELP page, it’s the only manual I have..) and did not find an answer either.. I don’t print, I just do images for the web.. my problem is…. well, read below, no need to repeat myself.. Frances

Branko Vukelic wrote:

You don’t seem to understand how to use proofing. Software proofing is used as a very crude preview of the target output.

If you are going to print your image on a CMYK printer, for example, you need to set your proof setup to use the printer’s profile and turn on Proof Colors. The display will try to simulate how colors would look on that printer (display, canvas, whatever).

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

Needless to say, you need profiles to use proofing effectively, but fortunately some profiles come bundled with Photoshop. Learn about those profiles (try a google search with the name of the profile you want to read about) and learn about Color Management in general.
One suggestion: read the fucking manual. It’s very informative and you wouldn’t be asking questions like this if you read it.

Frances Del Rio wrote:

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

Proofing is NOT limited to comic printers. Proof can also be used for a rib printer such as an Epson desktop ink jet. You get a good preview and gamut warning by proofing with a printer media profile. Trying out different profiles and different rendering intents in proof lets you pick the combination that is best for you.

Branch Vukelic wrote:

You don’t seem to understand how to use proofing. Software proofing is used as a very crude preview of the target output.

If you are going to print your image on a CMYK printer, for example, you need to set your proof setup to use the printer’s profile and turn on Proof Colors. The display will try to simulate how colors would look on that printer (display, canvas, whatever).

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

Needless to say, you need profiles to use proofing effectively, but fortunately some profiles come bundled with Photoshop. Learn about those profiles (try a google search with the name of the profile you want to read about) and learn about Color Management in general.
One suggestion: read the fucking manual. It’s very informative and you wouldn’t be asking questions like this if you read it.

Frances Del Rio wrote:

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

I see I have to repeat myself…

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

I don’t know if it sounds like comic printing or any kind of printing at all, but this has nothing to do with printing. It says ‘on-screen viewing’ and what I meant by that is ‘viewing images on a screen (and you do know what a screen is, right?)’.

Now, *how* to do it is explained in the manual and if I told you how to do it, I’d just be quoting the manual and that’s not something I’d do unless I had to use that quotation to prove some point or something. Just RTFM again… and again… That’s called learning.

I think I’ve said this once long time ago, but the Photoshop manual is one of the most well-written manuals I know of. Not to take advantage of it would be just plain stupid. Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Frances Del Rio wrote:

you’re right, I don’t understand this thing very well, this is why I posted my question.. I did read the manual (at least the stuff in HELP page, it’s the only manual I have..) and did not find an answer either.. I don’t print, I just do images for the web.. my problem is…. well, read below, no need to repeat myself.. Frances

[sic]

Branko Vukelic wrote:

I see I have to repeat myself…

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

Branko, this is exactly what I want to do, I want it to DEFAULT to this setting, but haven’t found how to do that.. I don’t heave the manual and haven’t found how to do it in the Photoshop HELP files.. this is why I posted this here to begin with.. ok, thank you.. Frances

Okay, okay. You win…

First of all, there is no need to set it as a default setting. Just set the RGB color space to your target space and turn soft-proofing off. In other words, if you soft-proof your image, image data is not altered, so if you want to create an image that is to be incorporated in a web site, you need to convert to target profile sooner or later.

The second thing to remember is that Photoshop’s poor CM engine will sometimes make your images look odd in the shadow areas. Go to Color Settings and change the Engine to "Microsoft ICM". This engine works perfectly well, and there is no reason why you should prefer "Adobe ACE" over it. Needless to say, this cannot be found in the manual. (But it can sure as hell be found via google.)

If you insist on soft-profing, however, set the proofing settings *before* you open any image. If an image is already open, close it. Default settings are always set when no images are open. Otherwise, the they are treated as temporary settings. This is also something I picked up from the help files. You have to do a bit of reading since it’s not something you can find easily, but it’s all there.

Finally, read the help files inside out. Once you do that, you’ll see why people like Voivod and myself always say ‘RTFM’.

Frances Del Rio wrote:

Branko Vukelic wrote:

I see I have to repeat myself…

If you want to output RGB files intended for on-screen viewing by other people, you set your Proof Setup to use the profile of an average PC or Mac monitor.

Branko, this is exactly what I want to do, I want it to DEFAULT to this setting, but haven’t found how to do that.. I don’t heave the manual and haven’t found how to do it in the Photoshop HELP files.. this is why I posted this here to begin with.. ok, thank you.. Frances

in article cg0144$kbp$, Branko Vukelic at
name+ wrote on 08/18/2004 9:26 AM:

Besides, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Another reason to NOT help people when they ask silly and stupid questions.

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article cg0144$kbp$, Branko Vukelic at
name+ wrote on 08/18/2004 9:26 AM:

Besides, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Another reason to NOT help people when they ask silly and stupid

questions.
Nice guy.

Given ….

1. Flames about silly and stupid questions do not inhibit silly and stupid quesitons.

2. Flames about silly and stupid questions take up much more bandwidth than silly and stupid questions.

Therefore ….

….well, since you are clearly not stupid and silly, you can figure it out for yourself.

N

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:46:30 -0700, TheOne wrote:

in article cg0144$kbp$, Branko Vukelic at
name+ wrote on 08/18/2004 9:26 AM:

Besides, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Another reason to NOT help people when they ask silly and stupid questions.

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.

I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient to do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without having asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method used to enhance ones learning curve.

in article , The Wild West at
wrote on 08/19/2004 10:01 AM:

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article cg0144$kbp$, Branko Vukelic at
name+ wrote on 08/18/2004 9:26 AM:

Besides, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Another reason to NOT help people when they ask silly and stupid questions.

Nice guy.

Thank you, I think so also.

in article , Neal Margolis at
wrote on 08/19/2004 11:09 AM:

Given ….

1. Flames about silly and stupid questions do not inhibit silly and stupid quesitons.

That is not the goal.

2. Flames about silly and stupid questions take up much more bandwidth than silly and stupid questions.

"Bandwidth" is an irrelevant term at this point in time. Crybabies are the only one’s using it.

in article 867Vc.286958$%
wrote on 08/19/2004 12:22 PM:

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.

Your fantasies about imagined "urgency" is also irrelevant.

we all have resorted to asking
questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient to do so.

You are projecting your own experiences upon others. If you refrain from doing that, you will be less silly.

I rather doubt that one can go through a day without having asked a question.

Your personal condition is not universal.

are you a follower of the mighy one (all Hail) too?

Arty

"Neal Margolis" wrote in message

Given ….

1. Flames about silly and stupid questions do not inhibit silly and stupid quesitons.

2. Flames about silly and stupid questions take up much more bandwidth than silly and stupid questions.

Therefore ….

…well, since you are clearly not stupid and silly, you can figure it out for yourself.

N

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:46:30 -0700, TheOne wrote:

in article cg0144$kbp$, Branko Vukelic at
name+ wrote on 08/18/2004 9:26 AM:

Besides, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Another reason to NOT help people when they ask silly and stupid

questions.

"Nick C" wrote in message

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.
I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient

to

do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without

having

asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method used

to

enhance ones learning curve.

I’ll remember that the next time my curve needs enhancing

ta

Arty

ps – approved by whom?

A

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article 867Vc.286958$%
wrote on 08/19/2004 12:22 PM:

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.

Your fantasies about imagined "urgency" is also irrelevant.

So are your posts.

we all have resorted to asking
questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient

to

do so.

You are projecting your own experiences upon others. If you refrain from doing that, you will be less silly.

Perhaps, but you don’t really know that, which makes you look silly.

I rather doubt that one can go through a day without having asked a question.

Your personal condition is not universal.

A typical stupid response. I didn’t espouse a condition but merely expressed thought. I see it went over your head.

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

"Nick C" wrote in message

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.
I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient

to

do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without

having

asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method

used

to

enhance ones learning curve.

I’ll remember that the next time my curve needs enhancing
ta

Arty

ps – approved by whom?

A

Into the fray enters another who may not have passed the elementary grade school graduation tests.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:04:13 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

Into the fray enters another who may not have passed the elementary grade school graduation tests.

Let’s have a cheer for the latest of the Usenet White Knights out to save the group from people he can’t comprehend.

GO Nick!

Absolutely correct, Nick. I was going to add that myself. Besides, the OP didn’t sound so urgent…

Nick C wrote:

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.
I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient to do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without having asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method used to enhance ones learning curve.

in article 7jaVc.282790$
wrote on 08/19/2004 4:01 PM:

Your fantasies about imagined "urgency" is also irrelevant.

So are your posts.

But you come back for more every day.

How funny is that.

hahahaha.

You are projecting your own experiences upon others. If you refrain from doing that, you will be less silly.

Perhaps…

Then stop doing it.

I rather doubt that one can go through a day without having asked a question.

Your personal condition is not universal.

A typical stupid response. I didn’t espouse a condition but merely expressed thought. I see it went over your head.

You wrote about your doubt. That was your personal condition. You don’t even know what you write, do you.

in article JlaVc.154659$
wrote on 08/19/2004 4:04 PM:

Into the fray enters another …

You were allowed, so anyone is allowed.

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:04:13 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

Into the fray enters another who may not have passed the elementary grade school graduation tests.

Let’s have a cheer for the latest of the Usenet White Knights out to save the group from people he can’t comprehend.

GO Nick!

Comprehending the mental attributes of losers that lack civility is not difficult, though it’s not often that one meets a self taught idiot like yourself.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:07:04 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

Comprehending

Is not your strong suit…

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:07:04 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

Comprehending

Is not your strong suit…

Weak, you can do better than that, roid!
Hmmm, maybe not.

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article 7jaVc.282790$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/19/2004 4:01 PM:

Your fantasies about imagined "urgency" is also irrelevant.

So are your posts.

But you come back for more every day.

How funny is that.

hahahaha.

I read posts, including yours. It’s educational to read the thoughts emanating from the mind of a moronic person like you. It’s unfortunate that you don’t realize just how stupid you are. Not that I feel sorry for you, ’cause I don’t. It’s sufficient to me that your posts in a worldwide internet system allows other readers to see just how shallow you are. You have appropriately named yourself "TheOne." A nom de plume you so aptly deserve.

Snipping the remainder of your juvenile reply merely for the sake of

brevity.

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article JlaVc.154659$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/19/2004 4:04 PM:

Into the fray enters another …

You were allowed, so anyone is allowed.

My original entry was courteous. You, along with two of your ilk type buddies decided to be discourteous. If you’ve forgotten that, do a Google search.

"Nick C" wrote in message

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article 7jaVc.282790$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/19/2004 4:01 PM:

Your fantasies about imagined "urgency" is also irrelevant.

So are your posts.

But you come back for more every day.

How funny is that.

hahahaha.

I read posts, including yours. It’s educational to read the thoughts emanating from the mind of a moronic person like you. It’s unfortunate

that

you don’t realize just how stupid you are. Not that I feel sorry for you, ’cause I don’t. It’s sufficient to me that your posts in a worldwide internet system allows other readers to see just how shallow you are. You have appropriately named yourself "TheOne." A nom de plume you so aptly deserve.

Snipping the remainder of your juvenile reply merely for the sake of

brevity.

Well said, but unfortunately lost on his low IQ and self esteem issues.

in article XcqVc.158784$
wrote on 08/20/2004 10:07 AM:

Comprehending the mental attributes of losers that lack civility is not difficult, though it’s not often that one meets a self taught idiot like yourself.

You poor momma’s boy… you got a thing about "civility" and not being rude.

You really do have a lot to learn about Usenet.

hahahaha.

"NoOne" wrote in message

in article XcqVc.158784$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 10:07 AM:

Comprehending the mental attributes of losers that lack civility is not difficult, though it’s not often that one meets a self taught idiot like yourself.

You poor momma’s boy… you got a thing about "civility" and not being

rude.

You really do have a lot to learn about Usenet.

hahahaha.

Dudette, you can’t see the forest for the trees. What a looooooooser!!

in article losVc.287195$
wrote on 08/20/2004 12:35 PM:

It’s unfortunate that
you don’t realize just how stupid you are.

My supposed "stupidity" does not bother me in the least. So who is it "unfortunate" for? You?

It’s sufficient to me that your posts in a worldwide
internet system allows other readers to see just how shallow you are.

I am not concerned with what "other readers" see.

You are my favorite "Net Toy" for the moment, that is all that I care about.

You are precious to me. Now do a little dance for me again.

hahahahaha.

in article iysVc.287220$
wrote on 08/20/2004 12:46 PM:

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article JlaVc.154659$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/19/2004 4:04 PM:

Into the fray enters another …

You were allowed, so anyone is allowed.

My original entry was courteous.

So what? You want a gold star on your forehead?

You, along with two of your ilk type
buddies decided to be discourteous.

So what? Are you a wanna-be net-cop?

hahahahaha.

If you’ve forgotten that, do a Google
search.

Quote it for me.

hahahaha.

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/20/2004 12:46 PM:

Well said, but unfortunately lost on his low IQ and self esteem issues.

And the above has what to do with Photoshop?

hahahaha.

Thanks Branko, for your conversational response.

I can’t say for certainty the OP’er was being stressed at the time he posted. I just think it’s a matter of common courtesy to offer aid, when possible. That’s the function and the purpose of newsgroups such as this. Telling a poster to use the Google search engine may not be beneficial to the poster because it’s a time consuming process and also displays an attitude that the responder is unconcerned and can’t be bothered with providing the sought after information. Might as well inject repetitious posts telling potential inquiring posters not to post their problems and seek solutions but to use the internet to search for solutions to their problems.

Naturally I’m aware that replying to repetitious type questions can become tedious but though it be tedious, the fact that it is tedious is no excuse for "cuffing" off an inquiry. Tedious responses to questions becomes a part of a teachers instructional efforts and the regulars who post in this newsgroup should recognize tediously responding to inquires is a function of being a regular participant in a discussion newsgroup.

I’m a regular poster in two other similar instructional/discussion groups dealing with photography/cameras and repetitious questions are often the norm. Oftentimes, there are posts asking for advice about which camera to buy or lenses to buy with the limited amount of money available. There are repetitious questions about film types, scanning methods, and makes of cameras as well as the functions of digicam’s. In the years that I have been a regular in those newsgroups responding to those questions, very rarely does someone respond to a poster that the inquirer first seek to find a solution to their problem or question by using search engines, because the questions have been asked and answered many times before. As I noted above, it’s like telling someone you can’t be bothered with their concerns. I do not consider it laziness for someone to post a question within a newsgroup where a solution to a problem may be found. It’s what people normally do and if frustration on the part of the inquirer leads to posting to those who may have the knowledge to provide assistance, then that would be the normal course to take. I see no reason to contribute to a problem when it’s just as easy to resolve a problem, even though it was addressed in earlier posts.

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Absolutely correct, Nick. I was going to add that myself. Besides, the OP didn’t sound so urgent…

Nick C wrote:

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a problem becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.
I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is expedient

to

do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without

having

asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method

used to

enhance ones learning curve.

in article _5uVc.292457$%
wrote on 08/20/2004 2:32 PM:

offer aid, when
possible. That’s the function and the purpose of newsgroups such as this.

You’re goofy if you think there is only one purpose to newsgroups. Little news for you… each person decides how they will use the newsgroup and there is not a thing you can do about it.

Telling a poster to use the Google search engine may not be beneficial to the poster because it’s a time consuming process

Too bad.

It is not anyone’s responsibility to give answers to questions in newsgroups.

Duh.

Might as well inject repetitious posts …

…. complaining about how newsgroups are being used now, and how they "should" be used.

Yes, lets all post our opinions about how newsgroups should be used, I am sure that will help.

hahahahaha.

Naturally I’m aware that replying to repetitious type questions can become tedious but though it be tedious, the fact that it is tedious is no excuse for "cuffing" off an inquiry.

Then it is now your job to reply to every post that no one else want to reply to.

Hop to it, tough guy.

hahahaha.

Tedious responses to questions becomes a part
of a teachers instructional efforts

hahahahahahaha.

Newsgroups are not classrooms, goofball.

hahahaha.

the regulars who post in this
newsgroup should recognize tediously responding to inquires is a function of being a regular participant in a discussion newsgroup.

Blah Blah Blah

I’m a regular poster in two other similar instructional/discussion groups dealing with photography/cameras and repetitious questions are often the norm.

Then you trot yourself right back there and have fun.

it’s like telling someone you can’t be bothered with their concerns.

I can’t be bothered with silly people’s concerns.

That is true enough.

I do
not consider it laziness

What you "consider" is irrelevant.

I see no reason to contribute to a problem when it’s just as easy to resolve a problem…

It is not a problem to tell people to do their own work. In fact it is a way for them to solve their own problem and then learn from it.

Branko Vukelic wrote:

Okay, okay. You win…

First of all, there is no need to set it as a default setting. Just set the RGB color space to your target space and turn soft-proofing off. In other words, if you soft-proof your image, image data is not altered, so if you want to create an image that is to be incorporated in a web site, you need to convert to target profile sooner or later.

The second thing to remember is that Photoshop’s poor CM engine will sometimes make your images look odd in the shadow areas. Go to Color Settings and change the Engine to "Microsoft ICM".

How do I do this? under Prefs –> Color Settings I see no setting for changing "Enginge", whatever that is..

If you insist on soft-profing, however, set the proofing settings *before* you open any image.

I don’t insist on anything, I just want "Proof Setup" to default to either Windows or Monitor RGB, not Working CMYK, I see no settings under Color Settings to do this.. under Color Settings you can change settings for "North America General Purpose Defaults", "Europe Prepress Defaults", etc.. under all these setting there are diff. settings for RGB, CMYK, Gray, and Spot, nothing what will be checked when you look at Proof Setup menu..

I just want to tell PS to Set up Proof Set Up to default to either Windows or Monitor RGB (I always work in RGB mode..) don’t see where I can change this under Color Settings.. I don’t even know what this does, all I know is that if "Working CMYK" is checked color hues change slightly when I optimize (turn to jgp images), if either Windows or Monitor RGB is checked this doesn’t happen.. sorry this thread has degenerated into personal attacks.. oh well… thank you all anyway.. Frances

PS: I did look in HELP pages before I asked here, didn’t find answer to my question there..

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article losVc.287195$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 12:35 PM:

It’s unfortunate that
you don’t realize just how stupid you are.

My supposed "stupidity" does not bother me in the least. So who is it "unfortunate" for? You?

It’s sufficient to me that your posts in a worldwide
internet system allows other readers to see just how shallow you are.

I am not concerned with what "other readers" see.

Obvious.

You are my favorite "Net Toy" for the moment, that is all that I care

about.

You must be the resident newsgroup idiot.

You are precious to me. Now do a little dance for me again.
hahahahaha.

It would be pitiful to learn your genetic defect is a family condition. It would be even more pitiful if you had a family.

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:07:04 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

Comprehending

Is not your strong suit…

I’m surprised you understand the meaning of the word. Did your mother look it up in the dictionary for you?

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article iysVc.287220$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 12:46 PM:

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article JlaVc.154659$, Nick C at

wrote on 08/19/2004 4:04 PM:

Into the fray enters another …

You were allowed, so anyone is allowed.

My original entry was courteous.

So what? You want a gold star on your forehead?

News of you dropping dead would be a sufficient.

Snip

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

in article _5uVc.292457$%, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 2:32 PM:

offer aid, when
possible. That’s the function and the purpose of newsgroups such as

this.

You’re goofy if you think there is only one purpose to newsgroups. Little news for you… each person decides how they will use the newsgroup and there is not a thing you can do about it.

Egads, how ignorant you must be.

It’s just not possible for everyone who participates in this newsgroup to be as stupid as you appear to be.

in article faBVc.46490$
wrote on 08/20/2004 10:35 PM:

You must be the resident newsgroup idiot.

You must be the resident newsgroup name-caller.

It would be pitiful to learn your genetic defect is a family condition. It would be even more pitiful if you had a family.

Is that more of your adult behavior, or is that Photoshop relevant?

You are so goofy.

Now spin for me again, "Net Toy".

hahahahahaha.

in article 3cBVc.288806$
wrote on 08/20/2004 10:37 PM:

I’m surprised

That seems to be your constant condition. Maybe you should get out more?

in article mfBVc.160967$
wrote on 08/20/2004 10:40 PM:

News of you dropping dead would be a sufficient.

Oh, the poor thing does not like playing the game. Wishes me dead. You are having a good time, right? No one is forcing you to play this game, right?

Now why would you wish me dead if you were having a good time?

Are you mixed up again, or just lying?

in article PjBVc.293935$%
wrote on 08/20/2004 10:45 PM:

It’s just not possible for everyone who participates in this newsgroup to be as stupid as you appear to be.

I don’t care what other people choose to do in this or any newsgroup. How "stupid" they are or how "smart" they are. I write for my own amusement and to sometimes play the game with goofy kids like you.

You on the other hand seem to be fixated on what you imagine other people are thinking and doing. All the while you write goofy messages in a newsgroup trying to show me the errors of my ways, and failing, and when you can’t get me to "correct" my evil ways, you name call and become even more goofy. All in an effort to show me how newsgroups should be used.

You really are funny.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:37:03 GMT, "Nick C"
scribbled:

I’m surprised

I’m sure you are.

Does casting aspersions make you feel good?

Why

Artio

"Nick C" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

"Nick C" wrote in message

"Branko Vukelic" <name+> wrote in message

Snip

Besodes, no knowledge sticks to your mind
as well as the knowledge you come by on your own.

Philisophically sound but in reality not always pratical. One can use reference manuals, other sources of data, experimentation, or formal education to gain knowledge. However, when the need to resolve a

problem

becomes a matter of urgency, asking someone a question who may have an answer is a pratical and expedient method to gain knowledge.
I dare say, in the vicissitudes of time we all have resorted to asking questions instead of resorting to reference manuals when it is

expedient

to

do so. Moreover, I rather doubt that one can go through a day without

having

asked a question. Asking questions is an approved educational method

used

to

enhance ones learning curve.

I’ll remember that the next time my curve needs enhancing
ta

Arty

ps – approved by whom?

A

Into the fray enters another who may not have passed the elementary grade school graduation tests.

Hail All Mighy One

With grateful acknowledgements to heathrowe

I have pasted some details to this message

Perhaps, Oh Mighty One (all Hail) it makes things sorta worthwhile?

You views would be deeply appreciated

Your grovelling servant in grovelling servitude

Artio

Also check out htis site for a free sketch plugin just recently released. http://www.littleinkpot.co.uk/FreePlugins.htm

cheers
heathrowe

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article PjBVc.293935$%, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 10:45 PM:

It’s just not possible for everyone who participates in this newsgroup

to be

as stupid as you appear to be.

I don’t care what other people choose to do in this or any newsgroup. How "stupid" they are or how "smart" they are. I write for my own amusement

and

to sometimes play the game with goofy kids like you.

You on the other hand seem to be fixated on what you imagine other people are thinking and doing. All the while you write goofy messages in a newsgroup trying to show me the errors of my ways, and failing, and when

you

can’t get me to "correct" my evil ways, you name call and become even more goofy. All in an effort to show me how newsgroups should be used.
You really are funny.

Yet another one of the no one/hemorrvoid, etc, etc, personalities. They just keep coming!!

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

Hail All Mighy One

With grateful acknowledgements to heathrowe

I have pasted some details to this message

Perhaps, Oh Mighty One (all Hail) it makes things sorta worthwhile?
You views would be deeply appreciated

Your grovelling servant in grovelling servitude

Artio

Also check out htis site for a free sketch plugin just recently

released.

http://www.littleinkpot.co.uk/FreePlugins.htm

cheers
heathrowe

"TheOne" wrote in message

in article PjBVc.293935$%, Nick C at

wrote on 08/20/2004 10:45 PM:

It’s just not possible for everyone who participates in this newsgroup

to be

as stupid as you appear to be.

I don’t care what other people choose to do in this or any newsgroup.

How

"stupid" they are or how "smart" they are. I write for my own amusement

and

to sometimes play the game with goofy kids like you.

You on the other hand seem to be fixated on what you imagine other

people

are thinking and doing. All the while you write goofy messages in a newsgroup trying to show me the errors of my ways, and failing, and when

you

can’t get me to "correct" my evil ways, you name call and become even

more

goofy. All in an effort to show me how newsgroups should be used.
You really are funny.

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/22/2004 7:10 PM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

Change the setting to Windows RGB before opening an image. The default will then be set to Windows RGB.

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

"greyson.forkturner" wrote in message

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/22/2004 7:10 PM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

Yet another!!!
Obviously you don’t feel too comfortable in your own shell. Bothers is a strong word. Amusing? Yes, hun, amusing is the word.

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/23/2004 6:36 AM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

amusing is the word.

Now you have the right attitude for Usenet. You have been educated. Time for you to move on.

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"greyson.forkturner" wrote in message

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/22/2004 7:10 PM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

Yet another!!!
Obviously you don’t feel too comfortable in your own shell. Bothers is a strong word. Amusing? Yes, hun, amusing is the word.

I thought you just like talking dirty to girls!

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

ps – please accept my apologies about referring to you as a butt eater
It was a stream of consciousness thing and my fingers typed and hit "Send" before brain engaged gear

Arts

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

Niver mind m8 🙂

How about:

Go Arty Arty Artio!

Arts

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

ps – please accept my apologies about referring to you as a butt eater

It was a stream of consciousness thing and my fingers typed and hit "Send" before brain engaged gear

Arts

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

are.. are.. are.. are.. you you a girl? <blush>

<sound of ground opening under feet>

<whispered gasp> oh my gawd… </whispered gasp>

Go! Arty Arty Artio!

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

I thought you just like talking dirty to girls!

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

ps – please accept my apologies about referring to you as a butt eater
It was a stream of consciousness thing and my fingers typed and hit

"Send"

before brain engaged gear

Arts

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

ooopss I forgot to add:

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK (the K is silent)

Artio

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

I thought you just like talking dirty to girls!

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

ps – please accept my apologies about referring to you as a butt eater
It was a stream of consciousness thing and my fingers typed and hit

"Send"

before brain engaged gear

Arts

"The Wild, Wild West" wrote in message

"Arty Facting" wrote in message

hahahaha

u fell 4 it

heeheehee

u don know mee

hohoho

welcome to re-alitee?

Arty

LOL, arty.
Re-alitee, is a pretty strong word to describe you, also. Amusing, still!

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:36:18 -0400, "The Wild, Wild West" wrote:

"greyson.forkturner" wrote in message

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/22/2004 7:10 PM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

Yet another!!!
Obviously you don’t feel too comfortable in your own shell. Bothers is a strong word. Amusing? Yes, hun, amusing is the word.

I was going to mail you, but ass I’m pretty you’re using a fake… 😉

—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

Char wrote:

Change the setting to Windows RGB before opening an image. The default will then be set to Windows RGB.

Image menu (where you select mode..) is grayed out if you don’t have an img open… again, this happens even for imgs that ARE ALREADY in RGB mode.. (that Proof Setup is set to "Working CMYK" instead of either Windows or Monitor RGB..) thank you for yr response…

Frances

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

Under the menu item "View", select Proof Setup and then select Windows RGB. Then menu item "Edit", select Color Settings. Under Color Management Policies select Convert to Working RGB in the RGB dropdown list. Make sure you do these things before opening an image.

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

Char wrote:

Change the setting to Windows RGB before opening an image. The default

will

then be set to Windows RGB.

Image menu (where you select mode..) is grayed out if you don’t have an img open… again, this happens even for imgs that ARE ALREADY in RGB mode.. (that Proof Setup is set to "Working CMYK" instead of either Windows or Monitor RGB..) thank you for yr response…

Frances

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

Please Hecate – don’t spoil it

Reality is really so real?

Artio

leave me with my windy phantasees

A

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:36:18 -0400, "The Wild, Wild West" wrote:

"greyson.forkturner" wrote in message

in article , The Wild, Wild West at
wrote on 08/22/2004 7:10 PM:

Yet another one…

I am pleased it bothers you.

Yet another!!!
Obviously you don’t feel too comfortable in your own shell. Bothers is a strong word. Amusing? Yes, hun, amusing is the word.

I was going to mail you, but ass I’m pretty you’re using a fake… 😉
—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

ok, this did work… finally, thank you very much… Frances

Char wrote:

Under the menu item "View", select Proof Setup and then select Windows RGB. Then menu item "Edit", select Color Settings. Under Color Management Policies select Convert to Working RGB in the RGB dropdown list. Make sure you do these things before opening an image.

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

Char wrote:

Change the setting to Windows RGB before opening an image. The default

will

then be set to Windows RGB.

Image menu (where you select mode..) is grayed out if you don’t have an img open… again, this happens even for imgs that ARE ALREADY in RGB mode.. (that Proof Setup is set to "Working CMYK" instead of either Windows or Monitor RGB..) thank you for yr response…

Frances

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio

ok, this worked.. but how do I set it up so I don’t have to do this every time I open Photoshop?? thank you.. THIS what I was trying to find out when I first posted this.. thank you… Frances

Char wrote:

Under the menu item "View", select Proof Setup and then select Windows RGB. Then menu item "Edit", select Color Settings. Under Color Management Policies select Convert to Working RGB in the RGB dropdown list. Make sure you do these things before opening an image.

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

Char wrote:

Change the setting to Windows RGB before opening an image. The default

will

then be set to Windows RGB.

Image menu (where you select mode..) is grayed out if you don’t have an img open… again, this happens even for imgs that ARE ALREADY in RGB mode.. (that Proof Setup is set to "Working CMYK" instead of either Windows or Monitor RGB..) thank you for yr response…

Frances

"Frances Del Rio" wrote in message

I would like the "Proof Setup" thing to default to "Windows RGB" or "Monitor RGB".. even if img is in RGB mode it always defaults to "Working CMYK".. this is a pain b/c sometimes when I optimize img the colors change.. but not if Proof Setup is set to Windows or Monitor RGB.. would appreciate suggestions here as this has caused me considerable headaches.. thank you…

Frances Del Rio