LCD screens

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:49:17 -0000, Theo wrote:

Hi all

In the near future I will be looking into replacing my old reliable apple monitor with an LCD and I am curious how much the different aspect ration alters things. I would hope that the same sized image is not just stretched over a larger width, but I dont know. Any thoughts?

Thx

It’s not a problem.

Drifter
"I’ve been here, I’ve been there…"

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway

Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

Arty

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:49:17 -0000, Theo wrote:

Hi all

In the near future I will be looking into replacing my old reliable apple monitor with an LCD and I am curious how much the different aspect ration alters things. I would hope that the same sized image is not just

stretched

over a larger width, but I dont know. Any thoughts?

Thx

It’s not a problem.

Drifter
"I’ve been here, I’ve been there…"

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:29:39 GMT, "Arty Facting" wrote:

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway

Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

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Hecate wrote in
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And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

Since I suffer from male pattern baldness so I wouldnt worry about that. ;o)

From what Ive read last couple days it sounds like graphics professionals should be extremely choosey about what LCDs to try. And even then to consider one of those hardware devices that allows for greater manipulation of the screen… the name eludes me. Im not a pro (yet), and dont have the money for really expensive models or extra equipment. Plus Ive been looking at wireless mp3 players and external storage media… but those would be just toys. decisions decisions.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:29:39 GMT, "Arty Facting" wrote:

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway

Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

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Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

Tell me about it. I have had a TFT Samtron 75v and even after playing with the settings and stuff, I still cannot get a match. Different programs vary greatly from PS (6.0). I have to make allowances all the time which normally results in a greying out effect when printin out. Pain in the ass!

Nig

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:00:46 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:29:39 GMT, "Arty Facting" wrote:

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway

Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

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You should try a Ezio FlexScan L985EX.
We have these on all our work stations now. Use a eyeone to calibrate with profilemaker 5.
You can see 1% colour shifts in white. We never saw that on any CRT.

In article , Glo8al wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:00:46 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:29:39 GMT, "Arty Facting" wrote:

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway
Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

You should try a Ezio FlexScan L985EX.
We have these on all our work stations now. Use a eyeone to calibrate with profilemaker 5.
You can see 1% colour shifts in white. We never saw that on any CRT.

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:15:03 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

You should try a Ezio FlexScan L985EX.
We have these on all our work stations now. Use a eyeone to calibrate with profilemaker 5.
You can see 1% colour shifts in white. We never saw that on any CRT.

Everyone should try an Eizo Flexscan, and probably would if they didn’t have to mortgage their house to buy one 😉

Gretag Macbeth products are great though 😉

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Hecate – The Real One

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On 27 Aug 2004 14:49:38 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

In article , Glo8al wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:00:46 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:29:39 GMT, "Arty Facting" wrote:

Personally I prefer a flat screen anyway
Working with LCDs or TFT can make CRT seem like golf balls

And working with LCD/TFT screens can make you tear your hair out trying to get a decent colour match 🙂

You should try a Ezio FlexScan L985EX.
We have these on all our work stations now. Use a eyeone to calibrate with profilemaker 5.
You can see 1% colour shifts in white. We never saw that on any CRT.

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

Well do you want a monitor to do a great job or a shitty CRT or semi decent LCD?
As I want to get the job done right the first time, it saves me time and money.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:33:41 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

Well do you want a monitor to do a great job or a shitty CRT or semi decent LCD?
As I want to get the job done right the first time, it saves me time and money.

For that money I could have 3 24 inch Sony CRT’s. I know which I prefer.

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:31:24 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:33:41 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

Well do you want a monitor to do a great job or a shitty CRT or semi decent LCD?
As I want to get the job done right the first time, it saves me time and money.

For that money I could have 3 24 inch Sony CRT’s. I know which I prefer.

Well if you want to waste your time and money on out dated CRT’s, you can.
I can tell you the $2200AU (we got 5 at once) was well worth the money, and have saved a lot of time doing my colour corrections only once.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:24 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:31:24 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:33:41 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

Well do you want a monitor to do a great job or a shitty CRT or semi decent LCD?
As I want to get the job done right the first time, it saves me time and money.

For that money I could have 3 24 inch Sony CRT’s. I know which I prefer.

Well if you want to waste your time and money on out dated CRT’s, you can.
I can tell you the $2200AU (we got 5 at once) was well worth the money, and have saved a lot of time doing my colour corrections only once.

Funny that, I never have to do my colour corrections more than once either. That’s a skill factor, not a monitor factor.

I realise you have to justify spending all that money however…

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Hecate – The Real One

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 01:54:50 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:36:24 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:31:24 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:33:41 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Yes, that’s a nice monitor. For $3000 it should be nice… and then you buy an eyeone to calibrate it. That’s Eizo by the way.

Well do you want a monitor to do a great job or a shitty CRT or semi decent LCD?
As I want to get the job done right the first time, it saves me time and money.

For that money I could have 3 24 inch Sony CRT’s. I know which I prefer.

Well if you want to waste your time and money on out dated CRT’s, you can.
I can tell you the $2200AU (we got 5 at once) was well worth the money, and have saved a lot of time doing my colour corrections only once.

Funny that, I never have to do my colour corrections more than once either. That’s a skill factor, not a monitor factor.

I realise you have to justify spending all that money however…

ROFLMAO

I am 100% sure if you were doing the job I do, you would be doing more than one.
Working in a output print shop to both RGB and CMYK devices, being limited to the colour ranges of each device, getting files from every type of digital or analogue device. Working with artist and HCS students sitting next to you.

I think you need to see what you are doing with out the time wasted guessing, and trying to explain to the client why your monitor doesn’t look like the print they are holding in their hands.

If I was doing my own work, or a arrogant know it all, sure you get use to what you are looking at.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:48:42 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Funny that, I never have to do my colour corrections more than once either. That’s a skill factor, not a monitor factor.

I realise you have to justify spending all that money however…

ROFLMAO

I am 100% sure if you were doing the job I do, you would be doing more than one.
Working in a output print shop to both RGB and CMYK devices, being limited to the colour ranges of each device, getting files from every type of digital or analogue device. Working with artist and HCS students sitting next to you.

I think you need to see what you are doing with out the time wasted guessing, and trying to explain to the client why your monitor doesn’t look like the print they are holding in their hands.

You don’t require guesswork with proper colour management.

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Hecate – The Real One

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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:14:32 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:48:42 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Funny that, I never have to do my colour corrections more than once either. That’s a skill factor, not a monitor factor.

I realise you have to justify spending all that money however…

ROFLMAO

I am 100% sure if you were doing the job I do, you would be doing more than one.
Working in a output print shop to both RGB and CMYK devices, being limited to the colour ranges of each device, getting files from every type of digital or analogue device. Working with artist and HCS students sitting next to you.

I think you need to see what you are doing with out the time wasted guessing, and trying to explain to the client why your monitor doesn’t look like the print they are holding in their hands.

You don’t require guesswork with proper colour management.

mmm
colour management

scan it in, scan looks like what you have on screen, which outputs the same as the scan and what it looks like on screen.

I would say that is colour management. Only colour corrections we have to make is because is was scanned somewhere else who has NFI or the client doesn’t like their original.

Glo8al wrote:

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:14:32 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:48:42 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

Funny that, I never have to do my colour corrections more than once either. That’s a skill factor, not a monitor factor.

I realise you have to justify spending all that money however…

ROFLMAO

I am 100% sure if you were doing the job I do, you would be doing more than one.
Working in a output print shop to both RGB and CMYK devices, being limited to the colour ranges of each device, getting files from every type of digital or analogue device. Working with artist and HCS students sitting next to you.

I think you need to see what you are doing with out the time wasted guessing, and trying to explain to the client why your monitor doesn’t look like the print they are holding in their hands.

You don’t require guesswork with proper colour management.

mmm
colour management

scan it in, scan looks like what you have on screen, which outputs the same as the scan and what it looks like on screen.

I would say that is colour management. Only colour corrections we have to make is because is was scanned somewhere else who has NFI or the client doesn’t like their original.

A mathmatically pure path from reality to printed page. This is the unfulfilled dream of color management. Calibrationism is as appealing to logic as it is defied by experience.

Many, of not most of, the very best images – those with rich color and contrast that jump off the page, are still produced by using the info palette to judge neutrals and color, and using appropriate tools, notably curves, to emphasize luminance and color where it matters the most.

Only a human can make any decision that hinges on interpreting the image and anticipating and judging the esthetic result. Photographers and others who do not take full advantage of this new ability are being outshone by those who do.
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Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:45:41 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Photographers and others who
do not take full advantage of this new ability are being outshone by those who do.

There is sort of a fight going on in the art photo world.

I was at an art fair in Ann Arbor and I noticed that some of the photographers said that they used Photoshop and explained how they used fancy ink jet printers.

Others made a big deal of saying that they did everything in a darkroom and never used any digital stuff.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:15:38 +1000, Glo8al
wrote:

You don’t require guesswork with proper colour management.

mmm
colour management

scan it in, scan looks like what you have on screen, which outputs the same as the scan and what it looks like on screen.

I would say that is colour management. Only colour corrections we have to make is because is was scanned somewhere else who has NFI or the client doesn’t like their original.

OK, so you don’t understand colour management. That explains a lot.

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http://www.apple.com/imac/design.html