Layer Option equivalent for Photoshop 6

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What is Photoshop 6’s equivalent to the Layer Option functions that I am used to using in Photoshop 5? I need to place an image over another and make it see-thru/opague filter.
thanks in advance for answers
Bubba

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The Doormouse
Aug 31, 2004
"Bubba" wrote:

What is Photoshop 6’s equivalent to the Layer Option functions that I am used to using in Photoshop 5?

It took me approximately thirty seconds to open Photoshop 6 and find out. What’s stopping you from exploring the menu?

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Bubba
Aug 31, 2004
"Minnie Mouse couldnt find any cheese to sleaze around with, so she wrote this:"
It took me approximately thirty seconds to open Photoshop 6 >and find out. What’s stopping you from exploring the menu?

Well, it took me about two seconds to find out you’re a worthless piece of no-help shit.
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The Doormouse
Aug 31, 2004
"Bubba" wrote:

What’s stopping you from exploring the menu?

Well, it took me about two seconds to find out you’re a worthless piece of no-help shit.

Ah, the voice of class and gratitude!
Now I am going to help you for sure.

Are your fingers broken? Did mommy put the highchair too far from the bookcase, where the manual is?

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Tom Thomas
Aug 31, 2004
The Doormouse wrote:

Ah, the voice of class and gratitude!
Now I am going to help you for sure.

Are your fingers broken? Did mommy put the highchair too far from the bookcase, where the manual is?

You could have at least mentioned that pages 40 through 54, "What’s new in Photoshop 6" would answer the question.
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bagal
Aug 31, 2004
Hey Bubba

u got an answer m8

it may not be the answer u were looking for but u got one

a real motivating one too

Artio

"Bubba" wrote in message
What is Photoshop 6’s equivalent to the Layer Option functions that I am used to using in Photoshop 5? I need to place an image over another and make
it see-thru/opague filter.
thanks in advance for answers
Bubba

TD
The Doormouse
Aug 31, 2004
Tom Thomas wrote:

You could have at least mentioned that pages 40 through 54, "What’s new in Photoshop 6" would answer the question.

LOL. That solution only works for the literate users with manuals. He’s just another bitter warez user.

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brucewj
Aug 31, 2004
You still have the Layer Opacity as an option in PS6. In the Layers pallet you can change the Opacity for the selected layer.

Window > Layers – In the layers pallet select the layer you want to change and in the top right corner of the pallet is the Opacity option.

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when you reply to them.

Bruce

Bubba wrote:
What is Photoshop 6’s equivalent to the Layer Option functions that I am used to using in Photoshop 5? I need to place an image over another and make it see-thru/opague filter.
thanks in advance for answers
Bubba

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Tom Thomas
Aug 31, 2004
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question? ——————————-
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Bubba
Sep 1, 2004
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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Voivod
Sep 1, 2004
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:

Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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bagal
Sep 1, 2004
Dear Masterful One

I your grovelling servant in grovelling servitude wonder if pirates do need help?

They may need to be pointed towaqrds the nearest courthouse and possibly legal advice to explain what software piracy is?

I merely draw you Most Magnificent Majesty’s attention to a minor technicality the earthlings call "Law"

In grovelling servitude

Artio

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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TheOne
Sep 1, 2004
You are writing to the "Anti-One"… you have been tricked by the great deceiver.

in article D_nZc.186$, Articus Drools at
wrote on 09/01/2004 10:51 AM:

Dear Masterful One

I your grovelling servant in grovelling servitude wonder if pirates do need help?

They may need to be pointed towaqrds the nearest courthouse and possibly legal advice to explain what software piracy is?

I merely draw you Most Magnificent Majesty’s attention to a minor technicality the earthlings call "Law"

In grovelling servitude

Artio

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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bagal
Sep 1, 2004
LOL a hah hah hah

Dear Uncle One

I ponder your gender change with awe and a modicum of wonderment?

Is such a change required?

Please allow your most grovelling of grovelling servants a period ot earthling time to get used to calling you <blush> Antie One

Art

(Articus doesn’t sound too cool with the above phrasing 🙂

A

"TheOne" wrote in message
You are writing to the "Anti-One"… you have been tricked by the great deceiver.

in article D_nZc.186$, Articus Drools at
wrote on 09/01/2004 10:51 AM:

Dear Masterful One

I your grovelling servant in grovelling servitude wonder if pirates do need
help?

They may need to be pointed towaqrds the nearest courthouse and possibly legal advice to explain what software piracy is?

I merely draw you Most Magnificent Majesty’s attention to a minor technicality the earthlings call "Law"

In grovelling servitude

Artio

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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jrzyguy
Sep 2, 2004
In many companies it totaly legal to give a user a copy to use at home. Yes…the Adobe people told me this in person…and i will soon be upgrading to the CS Pro suite for free at home (i bet that one gets ya). So there ARE legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

now what was the question again?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want
when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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jrzyguy
Sep 2, 2004
and to the original poster….its been awhile since i used ps6….but i believe if you place your image on its own layer….you should have opacity and fill options on the layers menu. And well…if you dont know how to work with layers….and <gasp!> if you have a coppied version….DO buy a good photoshop book. If you didnt buy the program…at LEAST buy a book 🙂 (or take one out from the library).

Not being bitchy here…just giving ya some good advise.

j
"jrzyguy" wrote in message
In many companies it totaly legal to give a user a copy to use at home. Yes…the Adobe people told me this in person…and i will soon be
upgrading
to the CS Pro suite for free at home (i bet that one gets ya). So there
ARE
legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

now what was the question again?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want
when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the
exact
pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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TD
The Doormouse
Sep 2, 2004
"jrzyguy" wrote:

So there ARE legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

You would still have access to a manual at work. Most of the users without access clearly have never seen the manual. You know, even as far as page 60, where the answers where.

Heck, most of them have never even read the HELP files – where MORE of the answers are. They often do not buy reference books ("Classroom in a book", for example).

…. and God forbid that one should encourage them to explore the menu options. They get nasty really quick!

The Doormouse


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Voivod
Sep 2, 2004
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:09:12 -0400, "jrzyguy"
scribbled:

In many companies it totaly legal to give a user a copy to use at home.

Then he’s got a manual at work, or someone who’s paying him to do Photoshop work to ask. Of course, if you believe that I’ve got some prime ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Yes…the Adobe people told me this in person…and i will soon be upgrading to the CS Pro suite for free at home (i bet that one gets ya). So there ARE legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

now what was the question again?

Why are you such a stupid twat?

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for the pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful answers you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want
when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the exact pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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Branko Vukelic
Sep 2, 2004
I guess the answer might be somewhere in the Manual. 😉

Voivod wrote:

Why are you such a stupid twat?
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jrzyguy
Sep 4, 2004
actually….
dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available. OH they have them…but they just dont make them available for everyday use. (actually we have about 20 licenses….but we work 24 hrs…so it is totally legal to share the license on the same puter).

Now I have got a decent grip on PS….but even i have some dummy questions here and there (and i even have the manual at home).

im not looking to personally spar with you v. but i think your diatribes are off base……YES there are some people with pirated PS…but there are many people who have legal access to it without training or any support.

So i say..ask away…and dont bash the newbies (i do not include people who openly ask to crack the program)

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:09:12 -0400, "jrzyguy"
scribbled:

In many companies it totaly legal to give a user a copy to use at home.

Then he’s got a manual at work, or someone who’s paying him to do Photoshop work to ask. Of course, if you believe that I’ve got some prime ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Yes…the Adobe people told me this in person…and i will soon be
upgrading
to the CS Pro suite for free at home (i bet that one gets ya). So there
ARE
legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

now what was the question again?

Why are you such a stupid twat?

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for
the
pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful
answers
you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want
when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the
exact
pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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Voivod
Sep 4, 2004
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:21:11 -0400, "jrzyguy"
scribbled:

actually….
dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept

And those people know how to use Photoshop? Those people were hired for their knowlege and skill? Or do you hire morons who can’t even look through the menues?

alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available. OH they have them…but

That’s your problem. It’s not my fault you work for morons.

they just dont make them available for everyday use. (actually we have about 20 licenses….but we work 24 hrs…so it is totally legal to share the license on the same puter).

Now I have got a decent grip on PS….but even i have some dummy questions here and there (and i even have the manual at home).

im not looking to personally spar with you v. but i think your diatribes are off base……YES there are some people with pirated PS…but there are

I honestly don’t give a flaming rats ass what you thing about my ‘datribes’.

many people who have legal access to it without training or any support.

Fuck ’em. I don’t believe for a minute that any company would hire, or give a copy of photoshop to, a complete imbecile who knows NOTHING about the program.

So i say..ask away…and dont bash the newbies (i do not include people who openly ask to crack the program)

Ask away? Ok… Why are you such a stupid twat?

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:09:12 -0400, "jrzyguy"
scribbled:

In many companies it totaly legal to give a user a copy to use at home.

Then he’s got a manual at work, or someone who’s paying him to do Photoshop work to ask. Of course, if you believe that I’ve got some prime ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Yes…the Adobe people told me this in person…and i will soon be
upgrading
to the CS Pro suite for free at home (i bet that one gets ya). So there
ARE
legal users around…that DONT have the manual handy.

now what was the question again?

Why are you such a stupid twat?

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:39 -0700, "Bubba" scribbled:
Thanx for answers folks. No, I dont have a manual, so I have to ask a forum/newsgroup.

Odd, a manual comes with every copy of Photoshop… well, except for
the
pirated ones…. and pirates, well they don’t deserve help.

"Tom Thomas" wrote in message
"Bruce W. Johnson" wrote:

BTW, do us all a favor and just ignore the less than helpful
answers
you get on the news group. You are only giving them what they want
when
you reply to them.

Do you believe it’s less than helpful to refer the poster to the
exact
pages in the User Guide that will answer the question?
——————————-
Tom

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TheOne
Sep 4, 2004
in article , jrzyguy at
wrote on 09/03/2004 6:21 PM:

and dont bash the newbies …

Or what will you do if he does?

Will you whine and moan again? Will you hold your breath? Will you throw yourself on the floor and have a fit?

Make sure and take pics. I want to see them.
TD
The Doormouse
Sep 4, 2004
"jrzyguy" wrote:

dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available.

…. and none of your coworkers has purchased a copy for home use. And none of them has bought any of the many books available cheaply for using this program. Not one of the other 39 people. None of them have access to Google. None of them have made it a point to request the manual and do some self-directed training. Not one of your coworkers has any notes or resources beyond the manual. No one has contacted Adobe to purchase supplementary manuals. Everyone in charge of the manuals are completely against anyone else ever seeing the manual. Nobody has gone to their local library for a copy, or the library of the nearest college.

Is that what you are implying? Are you hiring?

I just want to be clear, because it looks real silly. The only business that I can imagine might have so many sheeple in one place is … oh no, do you work for the government?

My tax dollars at work! 🙂

The Doormouse


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Larry CdeBaca
Sep 4, 2004
Dear Ms Doormouse, *I* work for the gov’t (US) and you are right about the attitude.

"If we give them manuals, they will gain knowledge, then start asking questions we can’t answer because we don’t use the software. And besides.. uh… oh yeah, we don’t have enough site licenses so you shouldn’t be running it. The IG or Microswift will find out and fine us."

"The Doormouse" wrote in message
"jrzyguy" wrote:

dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available.

… and none of your coworkers has purchased a copy for home use. And none of them has bought any of the many books available cheaply for using this program. Not one of the other 39 people. None of them have access to Google. None of them have made it a point to request the manual and do
some
self-directed training. Not one of your coworkers has any notes or resources beyond the manual. No one has contacted Adobe to purchase supplementary manuals. Everyone in charge of the manuals are completely against anyone else ever seeing the manual. Nobody has gone to their local library for a copy, or the library of the nearest college.
Is that what you are implying? Are you hiring?

I just want to be clear, because it looks real silly. The only business that I can imagine might have so many sheeple in one place is … oh no,
do
you work for the government?

My tax dollars at work! 🙂

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
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bagal
Sep 4, 2004
Wow! Nicely summed up I must say. An excellent summary of modern practice!

FWIW and IMHO most senior managers or directors would be sorely disappointed to discover these practices going on in their organisation.

Again FWIW and IMHO this is a classical summary or really poor mid-management that sees or interprets coworker knowledge as a threat to their own individual positions (eg squash the threat before it really is a threat)

I didn’t realise the practice was quite as widespread as it is

Articus

"The Doormouse" wrote in message
"jrzyguy" wrote:

dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available.

… and none of your coworkers has purchased a copy for home use. And none of them has bought any of the many books available cheaply for using this program. Not one of the other 39 people. None of them have access to Google. None of them have made it a point to request the manual and do some
self-directed training. Not one of your coworkers has any notes or resources beyond the manual. No one has contacted Adobe to purchase supplementary manuals. Everyone in charge of the manuals are completely against anyone else ever seeing the manual. Nobody has gone to their local library for a copy, or the library of the nearest college.
Is that what you are implying? Are you hiring?

I just want to be clear, because it looks real silly. The only business that I can imagine might have so many sheeple in one place is … oh no, do
you work for the government?

My tax dollars at work! 🙂

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
H
Hecate
Sep 5, 2004
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:13:06 GMT, "Articus Drools" wrote:

FWIW and IMHO most senior managers or directors would be sorely disappointed to discover these practices going on in their organisation.
Actually, they wouldn’t. It costs them a lot less money and if they don’t know about it they can blame someone else when the authorities find out…



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
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noone
Sep 5, 2004
In article , says
….
actually….
dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available. OH they have them…but they just dont make them available for everyday use. (actually we have about 20 licenses….but we work 24 hrs…so it is totally legal to share the license on the same puter).

Now I have got a decent grip on PS….but even i have some dummy questions here and there (and i even have the manual at home).

im not looking to personally spar with you v. but i think your diatribes are off base……YES there are some people with pirated PS…but there are many people who have legal access to it without training or any support.
So i say..ask away…and dont bash the newbies (i do not include people who openly ask to crack the program)

"Voivod" wrote in message
[SNIP]

And, as has been pointed out in this group on several occasions, CS upgrade does not ship with manuals. They are available for ~US$60, and mostly answer questions with "… see Help."

Many of the questions asked do have answers in Help, however the user needs to know exactly HOW to ask the question. Judging from most of these "newbie" questions, THAT is the problem. They will state their situation and even post an example of what they are attempting to do, but it is the distillation of the question to accurate keywords, that they lack. In these cases it should be comforting that there are people here, who CAN distill those questions, and at least point them to the right keywords, whether it is in the Help section, or on Google, or Yahoo.

Now, I hate pirates as much as anybody, seeing how I’ve been buying licenses to nearly all Adobe products since parts were Aldus, and Photoshop first came to the PC, but there are many out there, who have legal copies, fully licensed, but can’t find the answers. AND, as a deadline looms, they look for help anywhere and everywhere. Sometimes, they find that anwser, just by asking the question, other times, a gentle reminder, or pointer can do wonders.

Hunt
N
noone
Sep 5, 2004
In article , says
….
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:21:11 -0400, "jrzyguy"
scribbled:

actually….
dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept

And those people know how to use Photoshop? Those people were hired for their knowlege and skill? Or do you hire morons who can’t even look through the menues?

alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available. OH they have them…but

That’s your problem. It’s not my fault you work for morons.
they just dont make them available for everyday use. (actually we have about 20 licenses….but we work 24 hrs…so it is totally legal to share the license on the same puter).

Now I have got a decent grip on PS….but even i have some dummy questions here and there (and i even have the manual at home).

im not looking to personally spar with you v. but i think your diatribes are off base……YES there are some people with pirated PS…but there are

I honestly don’t give a flaming rats ass what you thing about my ‘datribes’.

many people who have legal access to it without training or any support.

Fuck ’em. I don’t believe for a minute that any company would hire, or give a copy of photoshop to, a complete imbecile who knows NOTHING about the program.

So i say..ask away…and dont bash the newbies (i do not include people who openly ask to crack the program)

Ask away? Ok… Why are you such a stupid twat?
[SNIP]

Personal experience with clients: many "art departments" are hiring, or promoting from the steno-pool, more and more folk, who only had "Art Appreciation" back in middle-school. This is a real problem, but these folk come cheap. As a supplier to these clients, I have to help and educate them to get the best Ad we can produce (in my case we’re talking about photographs to CMYK commercial output). It isn’t easy. It isn’t the best solution for the companies to hire untrained, unskilled people, but they do.

It’s also very common for companies, large enough to have an IT department to lock up all manuals. Why? I assume that it is a control issue between the IT people, and the actual users. Several of my clients are in this situation, and it’s far easier to show them how the program works, than try and go through their IT dept. This, too, is not the best solution, but prevails in larger companies, with graphics/art departments. Also, most of the IT people, can set up a machine, log it onto the network, install the software, but haven’t a clue as to what PS is, or how it works – it just ain’t their job.

Hunt
N
noone
Sep 5, 2004
In article <mji_c.95$ says…
Wow! Nicely summed up I must say. An excellent summary of modern practice!
FWIW and IMHO most senior managers or directors would be sorely disappointed to discover these practices going on in their organisation.
Again FWIW and IMHO this is a classical summary or really poor mid-management that sees or interprets coworker knowledge as a threat to their own individual positions (eg squash the threat before it really is a threat)

I didn’t realise the practice was quite as widespread as it is
Articus

"The Doormouse" wrote in message
"jrzyguy" wrote:

dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available.

… and none of your coworkers has purchased a copy for home use. And none of them has bought any of the many books available cheaply for using this program. Not one of the other 39 people. None of them have access to Google. None of them have made it a point to request the manual and do some
self-directed training. Not one of your coworkers has any notes or resources beyond the manual. No one has contacted Adobe to purchase supplementary manuals. Everyone in charge of the manuals are completely against anyone else ever seeing the manual. Nobody has gone to their local library for a copy, or the library of the nearest college.
Is that what you are implying? Are you hiring?

I just want to be clear, because it looks real silly. The only business that I can imagine might have so many sheeple in one place is … oh no, do
you work for the government?

My tax dollars at work! 🙂

The Doormouse


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Articus,

I think that the fear (at least from the IT end of it) is that the user will somehow screw up the computer, and maybe even the network. You are correct, at least in MHO, that they fear the user having any knowledge, as it might lead to not needing THEM at some point. Yes, middle-management should know better, but there is a lot of empire-building in corporations, and if they (middle- management, who also knows little of PS) are convinced that it is for the good of the company, then IT wins. It isn’t correct, or even intelligent, but it seems to exist everywhere.

Hunt
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bagal
Sep 5, 2004
Good points! I adopt a different approach though

Rather than structure on job descriptions and system centric I prefer a person centric approach with a view to creating the conditions forstaff to blossom, bloom and shine. Employee retention, satisfaction and performance tend (sorry, are) higher than at any time in the organisation’s past.

It saddens me that some organisations view limiting factors as more important than enabling factors – hey-ho?

There are a lot of help PDF’s with PSCS and the CS bundle – is it OK to put these on the computer too? Or may the only be accessed from the installation disk? The PDF’s with my CS bundle are very informative and I wish I had the time to read and digest them all

Articus

"Hunt" wrote in message
In article <mji_c.95$
says…
Wow! Nicely summed up I must say. An excellent summary of modern practice!

FWIW and IMHO most senior managers or directors would be sorely disappointed
to discover these practices going on in their organisation.
Again FWIW and IMHO this is a classical summary or really poor mid-management that sees or interprets coworker knowledge as a threat to their own individual positions (eg squash the threat before it really is a threat)

I didn’t realise the practice was quite as widespread as it is
Articus

"The Doormouse" wrote in message
"jrzyguy" wrote:

dear voivod……my dept has licenses for about 40 people in my dept alone…..and NO…the manuals are not available.

… and none of your coworkers has purchased a copy for home use. And none
of them has bought any of the many books available cheaply for using this
program. Not one of the other 39 people. None of them have access to Google. None of them have made it a point to request the manual and do some
self-directed training. Not one of your coworkers has any notes or resources beyond the manual. No one has contacted Adobe to purchase supplementary manuals. Everyone in charge of the manuals are completely against anyone else ever seeing the manual. Nobody has gone to their local
library for a copy, or the library of the nearest college.
Is that what you are implying? Are you hiring?

I just want to be clear, because it looks real silly. The only business that I can imagine might have so many sheeple in one place is … oh no, do
you work for the government?

My tax dollars at work! 🙂

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.

Articus,

I think that the fear (at least from the IT end of it) is that the user will
somehow screw up the computer, and maybe even the network. You are correct, at
least in MHO, that they fear the user having any knowledge, as it might lead
to not needing THEM at some point. Yes, middle-management should know better,
but there is a lot of empire-building in corporations, and if they (middle-
management, who also knows little of PS) are convinced that it is for the good
of the company, then IT wins. It isn’t correct, or even intelligent, but it
seems to exist everywhere.

Hunt

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