Outside the hole

Check out some of the web sites for medical schools or get a copy of Gray’s Anatomy.

There’s more but as to doing a search seeking a way to contact you … ain’t going to happen.

"Martin Willett" wrote in message
| I regularly get people arriving on my website wanting to know what the | outside of a vagina looks like. (It’s a long story, don’t ask) Of | course I know what they want to see, they must be really new to | websearching that’s all I can say. Now I like to be a smartarse and | whenever possible give people what they are asking for, even if it | isn’t exactly what they expect to find. The way I understand it the | vagina is a hole, therefore the outside of a vagina looks like, well, | the universe.
|
| I’d be really grateful (but not to the point of paying, you | understand) if anybody could point me in the direction of an image | that could illustrate this theme, one you control the copyright for. | The only payment I can offer is a link or two from a website currently | attracting around 4,000 visitors per day (more than 60,000 hits per | day). If the image is on your website then I’m easy about mirroring it | or linking to it, or doing it as a reduced size image with a | protective watermark, whichever option you prefer. It could be a way | of you getting your work seen by a new audience. OK, they’re | one-handed surfers, but they have internet connections, and they might | be willing to buy your stuff too. And a link’s a link. |
| I’m not looking for pornography or even erotica, just an image that | illustrates the idea that the outside of a hole is the rest of the | universe.
|
| You have the art (I hope) I have the customers/appreciative public | (you hope). It might work and you’ve nothing to lose except your | artistic credibility. 😉
|
| Don’t send anything to the newsgroup posting address, go to the | website for a valid email address, just follow the obvious links. |
| —
| Martin Willett
|
| http://mwillett.org/
|
|

Not Me wrote:

Check out some of the web sites for medical schools or get a copy of Gray’s Anatomy.

There’s more but as to doing a search seeking a way to contact you … ain’t going to happen.

This request is aimed at those people who want to help, those people who don’t want to help please just ignore the thread.

I know what the outside of a vagina looks like, well, I’m very familiar with my wife’s, and I’ve seen plenty of others in photographic form. What I am looking for is an interesting image that expresses the concept that because the vagina (as opposed to the vulva) is effectively a (potential) hole the outside of it looks like the rest of the universe.

As for emailing me it is three clicks: the link at the bottom of this post, then the link marked email, then the one that looks like my email address. That’s hardly a search.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

"Martin Willett"

| > There’s more but as to doing a search seeking a way to contact you | > … ain’t going to happen.

<snip>

| As for emailing me it is three clicks: the link at the bottom of this | post, then the link marked email, then the one that looks like my | email address. That’s hardly a search.
|
| —
| Martin Willett
|
| http://mwillett.org/

Hat in hand does not have the option to make the rules.

You want the data, provide a usable contact point without the games. Otherwise, no skin off my nose.

Not Me wrote:

"Martin Willett"

There’s more but as to doing a search seeking a way to contact you … ain’t going to happen.

<snip>

As for emailing me it is three clicks: the link at the bottom of

this

post, then the link marked email, then the one that looks like my email address. That’s hardly a search.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

Hat in hand does not have the option to make the rules.

You want the data, provide a usable contact point without the games. Otherwise, no skin off my nose.

I am not going to publish my email address directly in a newsgroup, I like email, it provides me with contact with the outside world. When I publish an email address in a newsgroup I get spam, by the bucketload, I deleted 166 emails from this account last week, 90% virus filled spam, 10% regular spam, 0% wanted messages. I do not use this account for wanted messages. I have given you the instructions how to contact me, if that is too much like hard work then it’s no skin off my nose either.

I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me a favour for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I am asking for a favour, I am not going to grovel no matter if you do think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:19:42 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me a favour for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I am asking for a favour, I am not going to grovel no matter if you do think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

on the question "What is a Troll’ subheaded as
‘What do they do’ the answer is given as:

4.13 Bullying

The Trolls often demand the right to post anything and everything to a newsgroup. If anyone or any group opposes them they threaten to continue, for longer.

Dave

"Martin Willett" posted:

"… If you want to ignore my request please do. …"

With an ‘attitude’ like that, I expect that a *lot* of
people will.

..

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:19:42 -0700, Martin Willett wrote (in article ):

If you want to ignore my request please do.

Obviously you don’t know how Usenet works. If you put your "begging" in a public place, then everyone gets to comment on what you are doing. It does not matter if you like it or not.

There is no need to ignore your request. People are free to comment on your request, pro or con… not a damn thing you can do about it now. You chose to make it a public matter.

Live with it now.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:10:27 -0700, Dave Du Plessis wrote (in article ):

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:19:42 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me a favour for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I am asking for a favour, I am not going to grovel no matter if you do think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

on the question "What is a Troll’ subheaded as
‘What do they do’ the answer is given as:

4.13 Bullying

The Trolls often demand the right to post anything and everything to a newsgroup. If anyone or any group opposes them they threaten to continue, for longer.

So you see a "threat" in the idea that someone will post more messages in a newsgroup? You very silly.

Newsgroups are not harmed in the least by messages. Even hundreds of messages don’t harm a newsgroup. There is no danger from messages in a newsgroup.

You’re funny.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:03:12 -0700, RSD99 wrote
(in article <4r_0d.3344$>):

"Martin Willett" posted:

"… If you want to ignore my request please do. …"
With an ‘attitude’ like that, I expect that a *lot* of
people will.

.

You didn’t.

MinorityOpinion wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:19:42 -0700, Martin Willett wrote (in article ):

If you want to ignore my request please do.

Obviously you don’t know how Usenet works. If you put your

"begging"

in a public place, then everyone gets to comment on what you are doing. It does not matter if you like it or not.

I know how Usenet works.

You are free to say what you want, I am free to say what I want.

I want a picture, I can offer links and publicity as payment, nothing else. If you want to send me a picture you will have to follow the link in my signature to my website and find my email address on there, it isn’t hidden, it is just presented in a form that provides some protection against spam. If any of that is too much trouble I respectfully suggest you ignore my suggestion and carry on with your life because I can’t be bothered with the reasons why somebody isn’t going to help, I don’t need everybody to help and I see no good reason why I should be polite to those people who have taken the time to tell me they are not going to help.

There is no need to ignore your request. People are free to comment on your request, pro or con… not a damn thing you can do about it now. You chose to make it a public matter.

Live with it now.

Of course people are free to comment on what I post. My point is that just because I’m asking for a favour I shouldn’t have to kiss the arse of anybody who suggests they might consider the possibility of doing something. If "Not Me" doesn’t want to do what I suggest he considers doing then he can just ignore my request as I will ignore his suggestion of publishing my email address across three newsgroups to save him the bother of clicking three links. If he thinks that wanting something for nothing = begging and beggars should be meek and grateful not to get kicked he can think again. Frankly I wouldn’t want a picture sent in by somebody who can’t be bothered to look at the site that might use it.

Think of me like a hitch-hiker. If you’re going my way I’d like a lift, if you are going another way or don’t want to stop please just drive past, if you slow down to shout why you’re not going to stop don’t expect a particularly polite reply.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:16:02 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

Think of me like a hitch-hiker. If you’re going my way I’d like a lift, if you are going another way or don’t want to stop please just drive past, if you slow down to shout why you’re not going to stop don’t expect a particularly polite reply.

and of course there is the possibility that are an atheist and some of us would hate to see our names on your site.

DD

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:10:48 +0200, DD wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:16:02 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

Think of me like a hitch-hiker. If you’re going my way I’d like a lift, if you are going another way or don’t want to stop please just drive past, if you slow down to shout why you’re not going to stop don’t expect a particularly polite reply.

and of course there is the possibility that are an atheist and some of us would hate to see our names on your site.

Or that he’s a Fundy and us atheists wouldn’t want to have anything to do with it…

—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:16:02 -0700, Martin Willett wrote (in article ):

I see no good reason
why I should be polite to those people who have taken the time to tell me they are not going to help.

Thus your true nature comes to the surface.

How cute.

There is no need to ignore your request. People are free to comment on your request, pro or con… not a damn thing you can do about it now. You chose to make it a public matter.

Live with it now.

Of course people are free to comment on what I post.

Thus your request to "ignore your request" is not even valid in your own mind.

How silly of you to request that people ignore your request when you know that they will not.

hahahaha.

My point is that
just because I’m asking for a favour I shouldn’t have to kiss the arse…

What you imagine you should not have to do is irrelevant. If the price is that you must kiss someone’s ass, then you must pay the price if you want the service done for you.

Easy to figure out.

If "Not Me" doesn’t want to do what I suggest he considers doing then he can just ignore my request as I will ignore his suggestion of publishing my email address across three newsgroups to save him the bother of clicking three links.

But you did not ignore it, you commented upon it. You are very silly. You tell people to "ignore" something, all the while you can’t ignore something else and proceed to comment on it. What is allowed for you, is allowed for everyone else.

You’re goofy.

If he thinks that wanting
something for nothing = begging and beggars should be meek and grateful not to get kicked he can think again.

hahahahaha.

It is the price you pay for begging. No respect for you, goofy.

Frankly I wouldn’t want
a picture sent in by somebody who can’t be bothered to look at the site that might use it.

Too bad what you can’t be "bothered" with. You are a beggar. Suck it up, goofy.

Think of me like a hitch-hiker.

I think of you as Goofy.

or don’t want to stop please just
drive past…

Or people can choose to throw trash on you as they drive past.

hahahaha.

if you slow down to shout why you’re not going to stop
don’t expect a particularly polite reply.

If you are a beggar you get what you get. Nothing more. You are not in a position to get anything else.

"Martin Willett"

<snip>

| I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me a | favor for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I am | asking for a favor, I am not going to grovel no matter if you do | think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

Why no C&C warning?

Make all the rules you want. No law anyone, including me, is compelled to follow them.

The door is =====> that way don’t let the door knob bust you in the butt on the way out.

Not Me wrote:

"Martin Willett"

<snip>

I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me

a

favor for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I

am

asking for a favor, I am not going to grovel no matter if you do think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

Why no C&C warning?

What?

Make all the rules you want. No law anyone, including me, is compelled to follow them.

Have I suggested otherwise? If you want to send in an image that is the way to do it, if visiting the website in question is too much trouble then you are almost certainly not the right person to help because you have no motivation to help. You are just wasting your and my time.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

MinorityOpinion wrote:

<snip>

It is the price you pay for begging. No respect for you, goofy.

No, it is the price some demand of beggars, such people are beneath contempt, levering their self-worth up at the expense of others. I am not paying the price you demand. Live with it.

My request stands.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

DD wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:16:02 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

Think of me like a hitch-hiker. If you’re going my way I’d like a lift, if you are going another way or don’t want to stop please

just

drive past, if you slow down to shout why you’re not going to stop don’t expect a particularly polite reply.

and of course there is the possibility that are an atheist and some of us would hate to see our names on your site.

DD

Good point. That’s why I’m not going to grovel first and then be told to fuck off afterwards.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:03:13 -0700, Martin Willett wrote (in article ):

That’s why I’m not going to grovel first and then be told to fuck off afterwards.

Grovel or you get nothing.

MinorityOpinion wrote:

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:03:13 -0700, Martin Willett wrote (in article ):

That’s why I’m not going to grovel first and then be told to fuck off afterwards.

Grovel or you get nothing.

I’ll settle for nothing, thanks.

"Martin Willett"
|
| Good point. That’s why I’m not going to grovel first and then be told | to fuck off afterwards.

No one asked you to grovel but I do consider the FOAD admonition approprate considering the attitude displayed.

"Martin Willett"
| >
| >> That’s why I’m not going to grovel first and then be told | >> to fuck off afterwards.
| >
| >
| >
| > Grovel or you get nothing.
|
| I’ll settle for nothing, thanks.

Let those that don’t want none have fond memories of not getting any.

"Martin Willett"
<snip>

| > Why no C&C warning?
|
| What?

Not going to get that for free either. Do a google search.

| > Make all the rules you want. No law anyone, including me, is | > compelled to follow them.
|
| Have I suggested otherwise? If you want to send in an image that is | the way to do it, if visiting the website in question is too much | trouble then you are almost certainly not the right person to help | because you have no motivation to help. You are just wasting your and | my time.

I’ve made my nut and have taken early retirement, as for you … you are but a willing toy.

Dave Du Plessis wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:19:42 +0100, "Martin Willett" wrote:

I can make any rules I like even if I am asking for people to do me

a

favour for no reward. If you want to ignore my request please do. I am asking for a favour, I am not going to grovel no matter if you

do

think that is the natural order of things, bwana.

on the question "What is a Troll’ subheaded as
‘What do they do’ the answer is given as:

4.13 Bullying

The Trolls often demand the right to post anything and everything to

a

newsgroup. If anyone or any group opposes them they threaten to continue, for longer.

A heading labelled 4.13, just like chapter and verse, so very impressive.

What is this supposed to mean? I am not bullying anybody. I have asked for a favour and somebody who shows no evidence of having what I want or understanding what I’m asking for asks me to post my email address in a newsgroup. With me so far? I decline and assert my right to ask for whatever I want and apply any reasonable conditions I see fit. Not to post whatever I want.

Where exactly has "the threat" to keep posting come from? If the people on these groups didn’t want to help all they had to do was not comply with my request, but no, they took the time to fire off a couple of terse sentences to explain why they wouldn’t help while giving not the slightest hint that they could help or understand what helping would entail or display any motive to help.

You have probably spotted by now that, as a former employer of mine once put it, I don’t suffer fools gladly. He said that as if it was a bad thing. I don’t expect anybody to help me for no reason, I expect some people to help me because they respect what I am doing, if you don’t know what I’m doing then it isn’t even going to begin to happen. If visiting my website is too much trouble then it isn’t going to happen at all.

I say what I mean, I mean what I say and I sign my own name

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

in article , Martin Willett at
wrote on 09/15/2004 11:16 AM:

If the
people on these groups didn’t want to help all they had to do was not comply with my request, but no, they took the time to fire off a couple of terse sentences to explain why they wouldn’t help while giving not the slightest hint that they could help or understand what helping would entail or display any motive to help.

Which they had every right to do.

You are still goofy, by the way.

Not Me wrote:

"Martin Willett"
<snip>

Why no C&C warning?

What?

Not going to get that for free either.

Sentences should have subjects.

Do a google search.

I did:

C&C Cash and Carry
C&C Coffee and Cats (meaning: caution, the post below is humorous) C&C Collection & Classification
C&C Command & Conquer
C&C Command & Control
C&C Comments & Criticism
C&C Communications and Control
C&C Computer & Communication
C&C Control & Configuration
C&C Control & Coordination
C&C Cow & Chicken (cartoon TV show)

I found 27 hits on Google Groups for c&c since 12th September, less than half of them related to coffee and cats, on over 100,000 newsgroups.

Knowing that c&c stands for coffee and cats is almost as useful and relevant these days as knowing that spats is short for spatterdashers or the intricate detail of some CB radio slang that didn’t catch on either.

—
Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

in article , Martin Willett at
wrote on 09/15/2004 11:44 AM:

Not Me wrote:

"Martin Willett"
<snip>

Why no C&C warning?

What?

Not going to get that for free either.

Sentences should have subjects.

Do a google search.

I did:

C&C Cash and Carry http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Coffee and Cats http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Collection & Classification http://www.artistmike.com C&C Command & Conquer http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Command & Control http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Comments & Criticism http://www.artistmike.com C&C Communications and Control http://www.artistmike.com C&C Computer & Communication http://www.artistmike.com C&C Control & Configuration http://www.artistmike.com C&C Control & Coordination http://www.artistmike.com

Knowing that c&c stands for coffee and cats is almost as useful and relevant these days as knowing that http://www.artistmike.com has everything anyone could need.

That is one cool site!

Danhiel – SoupOrNews Admin wrote:

in article , Martin Willett at
wrote on 09/15/2004 11:44 AM:

Not Me wrote:

"Martin Willett"
<snip>

Why no C&C warning?

What?

Not going to get that for free either.

Sentences should have subjects.

Do a google search.

I did:

C&C Cash and Carry http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Coffee and Cats http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Collection & Classification http://www.artistmike.com C&C Command & Conquer http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Command & Control http://www.artistmike.com
C&C Comments & Criticism http://www.artistmike.com C&C Communications and Control http://www.artistmike.com C&C Computer & Communication http://www.artistmike.com C&C Control & Configuration http://www.artistmike.com C&C Control & Coordination http://www.artistmike.com

Knowing that c&c stands for coffee and cats is almost as useful and relevant these days as knowing that http://www.artistmike.com has everything anyone could need.

That is one cool site!

Ooooh. Another Photoshop layer effect magician. ssssrrrrrr….. ..m