converting HD to NTFS for CS

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hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx

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adykes
Sep 20, 2004
In article <bgr3d.7757$>,
Frank wrote:
hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx

You can install XP on the existing disk (assuming there is enough space) and make it dual boot with 98, but only if that disk stays FAT32.

When running XP you can format the 120GB disk as NTFS and use it for PS, but the C drive is still FAT32 (which is fine as far as XP cares) but I don’t know what PS does in this case.

When running 98 you won’t be able to see any of the files you put on the 120GB disk.

I can’t Imagine why PM has grayed out NTFS, unless they are trying to protect you from yourself. I hate to say dump 98, but dump 98.


Al Dykes
———–
adykes at p a n i x . c o m
MR
Mike Russell
Sep 20, 2004
Frank wrote:
hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks

This isn’t really a PhotoShop question, but that doesn’t stop der Curvemeister! (do try also posting to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)

PM will only convert to NTFS under Win2K and XP. As if that weren’t enough, CS won’t run on Win98SE, so you’re stuck with the upgrade to 2K or later. This is probably the most effective solution, provided you can walk away from Windows 98.

But there are legitimate reasons, including support for existing Win98 customers, that you may want to keep both OS’s running.

If you do want to keep Win98, the simplest way is probably to use BootMagic’s advanced partition hiding, you may in theory boot Win98SE from your old drive, and XP from the new one. I say in theory because I have not actually done this, but PowerQuest’s docs say it will work.

Your other choice is to split your new disk into two partitions, and run 98 on a separate FAT32 partition, and have XP live on the other. Again, BootMagic will hide the other partitions from your OS.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
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Ryadia_
Sep 20, 2004
Frank wrote:

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx
There is nothing to stop you installing both XP and Photoshop on a FAT32 drive and there may even be some compelling reasons to do just that.

The first reason you would keep a FAT32 system on the drive is the ability to easily recover from a disaster or worse, some of the w32/worms that are around which prevent your PC from booting into XP altogether.

You could use a DOS boot disk and just copy all your data to another disk… Something which is impossible with a NTFS file system unless you resort to using Unix for the task.

I have Photoshop CS running on a Win2k system with FAT32. It runs mildly faster and needs to be defraged more often but I can get to any files I need if Windows crashes.

NTFS is basically a Microsoft patented file system which almost guarantees that no one will produce any repair or recovery software without either paying Microsoft for the code or (illegally) reverse engineering NTFS itself.

If you need to provide local file security then NTFS is the only choice. If however, you have no need to secure your files against other users – Like you secure the PC itself in a locked room, Go for FAT32.

Ryadia
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Waldo
Sep 20, 2004
I don’t fully agree with your story. FAT32 is indeed a more open system, readable for Win98, XP, Linux, etc. etc. and maybe slightly faster. But NTFS is much safer (like EXT3 under Linux) because of the logging. After a crash, it is easy to recover files on NTFS, what is sometimes impossible with FAT32.

So for the lockdown issue: choose NTFS or go to a Unix flavor.

I’ve chosen FAT32 accidently for my 200 GB FireWire drive. Rendering video’s to that drive is impossible as they exceed easily the stupid 2 GB boundary of FAT32. This is not only an issue for video, but also for large scans (currently my biggest scan is 1.6 GB, but who knows the size in 2 or 3 years).

There are tools by the way for reading NTFS disks under DOS (ideal for a boot disk). Normally, my data resides on a different disk/partition than Window$. When Windows needs a re-install, I just re-install it and have access to my data again.

Waldo
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Ryadia_
Sep 20, 2004
Waldo wrote:
I don’t fully agree with your story. FAT32 is indeed a more open system, readable for Win98, XP, Linux, etc. etc. and maybe slightly faster. But NTFS is much safer (like EXT3 under Linux) because of the logging. After a crash, it is easy to recover files on NTFS, what is sometimes impossible with FAT32.

So for the lockdown issue: choose NTFS or go to a Unix flavor.
I’ve chosen FAT32 accidently for my 200 GB FireWire drive. Rendering video’s to that drive is impossible as they exceed easily the stupid 2 GB boundary of FAT32. This is not only an issue for video, but also for large scans (currently my biggest scan is 1.6 GB, but who knows the size in 2 or 3 years).

There are tools by the way for reading NTFS disks under DOS (ideal for a boot disk). Normally, my data resides on a different disk/partition than Window$. When Windows needs a re-install, I just re-install it and have access to my data again.

Waldo
So obviously you have never had to send your drive air freight, halfway round the world to on-track’s Lab to have the NTFS file system unraveled just so you can recover your client files from it and gotten a bill for $2700?

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a Photoshop group and we shouldn’t move too far off topic now, should we?

Ryadia
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adykes
Sep 20, 2004
In article ,
Ryadia wrote:
Frank wrote:

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx
There is nothing to stop you installing both XP and Photoshop on a FAT32 drive and there may even be some compelling reasons to do just that.
The first reason you would keep a FAT32 system on the drive is the ability to easily recover from a disaster or worse, some of the w32/worms that are around which prevent your PC from booting into XP altogether.

Getting data off an NTFS disk is straight forward. Either make the disk a secondary IDE device on another XP system, or d/l, burn and boot a Knoppix CD and burn your data or send it over a LAN to another machine.

You could use a DOS boot disk and just copy all your data to another disk… Something which is impossible with a NTFS file system unless you resort to using Unix for the task.

I have Photoshop CS running on a Win2k system with FAT32. It runs mildly faster and needs to be defraged more often but I can get to any files I need if Windows crashes.

NTFS is basically a Microsoft patented file system which almost guarantees that no one will produce any repair or recovery software without either paying Microsoft for the code or (illegally) reverse engineering NTFS itself.

If you need to provide local file security then NTFS is the only choice. If however, you have no need to secure your files against other users – Like you secure the PC itself in a locked room, Go for FAT32.

NTFS FS is much more robust that FAT32 in the event of forced reboots and crashes, but with XP if you have to do that more than once you have a setup or hardware problem. The NTFS compression feature is great. I routinely turn it on in most folders. A randon PSD file (88MB) takes up 75MB on disk. A small win, with no downside.

By the way, when you install XP do a fresh installation, not an upgrade.


Al Dykes
———–
adykes at p a n i x . c o m
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adykes
Sep 20, 2004
In article ,
Ryadia wrote:
Waldo wrote:
I don’t fully agree with your story. FAT32 is indeed a more open system, readable for Win98, XP, Linux, etc. etc. and maybe slightly faster. But NTFS is much safer (like EXT3 under Linux) because of the logging. After a crash, it is easy to recover files on NTFS, what is sometimes impossible with FAT32.

So for the lockdown issue: choose NTFS or go to a Unix flavor.
I’ve chosen FAT32 accidently for my 200 GB FireWire drive. Rendering video’s to that drive is impossible as they exceed easily the stupid 2 GB boundary of FAT32. This is not only an issue for video, but also for large scans (currently my biggest scan is 1.6 GB, but who knows the size in 2 or 3 years).

There are tools by the way for reading NTFS disks under DOS (ideal for a boot disk). Normally, my data resides on a different disk/partition than Window$. When Windows needs a re-install, I just re-install it and have access to my data again.

Waldo
So obviously you have never had to send your drive air freight, halfway round the world to on-track’s Lab to have the NTFS file system unraveled just so you can recover your client files from it and gotten a bill for $2700?

That’s what backup are for. I’ve had a client that had to pay ontrack to recover data from a server disk because he got lazy about putting a tape in the drive each night. Every time someone sends a disk to Ontrack for recovery there’s an employee somewhere that should be fired.

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an

For the #1 recovery technique, putting the disk on another XP machine the probelm disk is is certainly writable. (If you really mean bit-level modifications, you’re right, but I don’t go thru life expecting to use these techniqes.)

essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a Photoshop group and we shouldn’t move too far off topic now, should we?

NTFS doesn’t generate lost file fragments like FAT does.

Ryadia


Al Dykes
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adykes at p a n i x . c o m
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Frank
Sep 20, 2004
Thanks to all who posted replies. However, ….a little more clarity on how to proceed please. I’m in a twist about the various permutations….

Goal is to install and run CS.

Everything (Win98, programs and all files) is currently on the original drive(C) and the new one(D) is empty.
Are you saying that……….
Either I upgrade (replace) 98 to XP and from there I can convert the D drive (or both drives) from Fat to NTFS and enable using it for CS. Or, I install XP in addition to still having Win98 and have a dual boot system. If i install it to the new D drive then that drive can have XP and be converted to NTFS and used for CS installation – and the original drive (C) is left as it is?


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"Frank" wrote in message
hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need
the
new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic
and
want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d
still
have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one
OS
on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx

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Voivod
Sep 20, 2004
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:38:02 -0400, "Frank"
scribbled:

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?

The NTFS option is greyed out because Windows 98 doesn’t DO NTFS.
MR
Mike Russell
Sep 20, 2004
Frank wrote:
Thanks to all who posted replies. However, ….a little more clarity on how to proceed please. I’m in a twist about the various permutations….

Goal is to install and run CS.

Then you need to install XP on your new drive. CS will not run on Win98, regardless of how your drive is formatted.

Here’s a more streamlined way to proceed than my last suggestion. Forget about dual boot and partition magic. These are added complications that it sounds like you don’t need.

I would not upgrade your Windows 98 – it’s probably cleaner to boot the XP CD, format your new drive, do a new install, and re-install your apps. Mount your old C drive as the D drive, and copy your old data files onto your new system as necessary. I would split your 120 into at least two partitions, say 20 gig or so for the C drive and two 50 gig partitions for the rest.

Later, after you’ve gotten all your data and images from your old C drive, reformat it and use it as your Photoshop swap drive.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

Everything (Win98, programs and all files) is currently on the original drive(C) and the new one(D) is empty.
Are you saying that……….
Either I upgrade (replace) 98 to XP and from there I can convert the D drive (or both drives) from Fat to NTFS and enable using it for CS. Or, I install XP in addition to still having Win98 and have a dual boot system. If i install it to the new D drive then that drive can have XP and be converted to NTFS and used for CS installation – and the original drive (C) is left as it is?

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable. Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx
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Hecate
Sep 21, 2004
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:58:11 +1000, Ryadia
wrote:

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a Photoshop group and we shouldn’t move too far off topic now, should we?
I see your knowledge of interpolation is only exceeded by your knowledge of file systems… Not!



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
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Frank
Sep 21, 2004
Thanks I’m onto it.
Haveinstalled XP on new drive (ntfs)- and now to install PS and other apps and data.


xx
"Mike Russell" wrote in message
Frank wrote:
Thanks to all who posted replies. However, ….a little more clarity on how to proceed please. I’m in a twist about the various permutations….

Goal is to install and run CS.

Then you need to install XP on your new drive. CS will not run on Win98, regardless of how your drive is formatted.

Here’s a more streamlined way to proceed than my last suggestion. Forget about dual boot and partition magic. These are added complications that
it
sounds like you don’t need.

I would not upgrade your Windows 98 – it’s probably cleaner to boot the XP CD, format your new drive, do a new install, and re-install your apps. Mount your old C drive as the D drive, and copy your old data files onto your new system as necessary. I would split your 120 into at least two partitions, say 20 gig or so for the C drive and two 50 gig partitions for the rest.

Later, after you’ve gotten all your data and images from your old C drive, reformat it and use it as your Photoshop swap drive.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

Everything (Win98, programs and all files) is currently on the original drive(C) and the new one(D) is empty.
Are you saying that……….
Either I upgrade (replace) 98 to XP and from there I can convert the D drive (or both drives) from Fat to NTFS and enable using it for CS. Or, I install XP in addition to still having Win98 and have a dual boot system. If i install it to the new D drive then that drive can have XP and be converted to NTFS and used for CS installation – and the original drive (C) is left as it is?

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB. In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD (120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed out and unavailable. Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I’d still have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks


xx

V
Voivod
Sep 21, 2004
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:55:35 -0400, "Frank"
scribbled:

Thanks to all who posted replies. However, ….a little more clarity on how to proceed please. I’m in a twist about the various permutations….
Goal is to install and run CS.

Everything (Win98, programs and all files) is currently on the original drive(C) and the new one(D) is empty.
Are you saying that……….
Either I upgrade (replace) 98 to XP and from there I can convert the D drive (or both drives) from Fat to NTFS and enable using it for CS. Or, I install XP in addition to still having Win98 and have a dual boot system. If i install it to the new D drive then that drive can have XP and be converted to NTFS and used for CS installation – and the original drive (C) is left as it is?

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.
R
Ryadia
Sep 21, 2004
Hecate wrote:

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:58:11 +1000, Ryadia
wrote:

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a Photoshop group and we shouldn’t move too far off topic now, should we?

I see your knowledge of interpolation is only exceeded by your knowledge of file systems… Not!



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

How is it you are such a bloody know it all yet know nothing?

Ryadia
J
JohnDD
Sep 21, 2004
in article , Ryadia at
wrote on 09/20/2004 11:25 PM:

How is it you are such a bloody know it all, yet not as good as Mike at http://www.artistmike.com ?

Ryadia

That’s a good question.
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Waldo
Sep 21, 2004
So obviously you have never had to send your drive air freight, halfway round the world to on-track’s Lab to have the NTFS file system unraveled just so you can recover your client files from it and gotten a bill for $2700?

Nope, but we got a EURO 9800 bill for recovering a FAT32 drive that never leaved it’s computer… Recovery is expensive, no matter the file system (as long as it is a common format).

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a Photoshop group and we shouldn’t move too far off topic now, should we?

No, Photoshop can’t make movies, but as I stated, the images are getting bigger and bigger. Currently 1.6 GB is my maximum size of an image. One extra layer and FAT32 does not suit anymore.

I’ll stop this conversation, because you’re appearantly a too fanatic Micro$oft hater 😉

Waldo
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Voivod
Sep 21, 2004
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:33:20 -0700, "John D." scribbled:

That’s a good question.

A better question is: Do you really think you’re fooling anyone with your idiotic morphing and flogging of your utterly lame site, Uni?
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Hecate
Sep 22, 2004
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:25:13 +1000, Ryadia
wrote:

How is it you are such a bloody know it all yet know nothing?
If that were the case I would certainly prefer to know nothing rather than to have everything I know be wrong as in your case.



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
H
Hecate
Sep 22, 2004
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod wrote:

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.

True, but using XP or 2k and keeping a drive as FAT32 is pointless.



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 09/21/2004 5:38 PM:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod wrote:

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.

It is best to go to http://www.artistmike.com and find out why.


Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

I agree.
S
Scraphead
Sep 22, 2004
This is all very easy.
Just take the NF3W and make a differentiated partition gamma’d to 39fr-2 with the XP conversion from w98 or w2k. When the the dialog box comes up hit alt/control 7693-w-sot and when the dos prompt comes up hit c:\fdisk. That works every time.

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod wrote:

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.

True, but using XP or 2k and keeping a drive as FAT32 is pointless.


Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
V
Voivod
Sep 22, 2004
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:38:42 +0100, Hecate
scribbled:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod wrote:

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.

True, but using XP or 2k and keeping a drive as FAT32 is pointless.

I completely disagree. The average home user has not need whatsoever of NTFS, it’s overhead and the troubles involved in recovery if something goes wrong.
C
Combaticus
Sep 22, 2004
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/22/2004 10:33 AM:

I completely disagree. http://www.artistmike.com is a super site with tons of great stuff to see and learn, and even to buy.

Your right.
A
adykes
Sep 22, 2004
In article ,
Voivod wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:38:42 +0100, Hecate
scribbled:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod wrote:

You do NOT need an NTFS partition for CS, all you need is XP or Win2K.

True, but using XP or 2k and keeping a drive as FAT32 is pointless.

I completely disagree. The average home user has not need whatsoever of NTFS, it’s overhead and the troubles involved in recovery if something goes wrong.

OTOH, with 100+ GB disks FAT32 makes poor use of the space, and people are beginning to create video and other files in excess of the 2GB limit. NTFS will become the norm. Get used to it.

What "overhead", compared to FAT32. Please be specific.

Recovery ? If the OS is non-bootable there are many ways to read NTFS file systems to copy data. You are much less likely to lose data on NTFS than FAT32.

The disk has a MUCH higher probability of failure than NTFS does.

This is based on on 10 years experience on thousands of sytems.


Al Dykes
———–
adykes at p a n i x . c o m
JC
James Connell
Sep 22, 2004
Al Dykes wrote:
<snip>
I completely disagree. The average home user has not need whatsoever of NTFS, it’s overhead and the troubles involved in recovery if something goes wrong.

OTOH, with 100+ GB disks FAT32 makes poor use of the space, and people are beginning to create video and other files in excess of the 2GB limit. NTFS will become the norm. Get used to it.

What "overhead", compared to FAT32. Please be specific.
Recovery ? If the OS is non-bootable there are many ways to read NTFS file systems to copy data. You are much less likely to lose data on NTFS than FAT32.

The disk has a MUCH higher probability of failure than NTFS does.
This is based on on 10 years experience on thousands of sytems.

You’re arguing with a snotnosed, dufus of a kid, with the IQ of a turnip. His opinion is based on nothing more than what will be the most inflamitory – not on fact.
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Hecate
Sep 23, 2004
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:33:25 GMT, Voivod wrote:

True, but using XP or 2k and keeping a drive as FAT32 is pointless.

I completely disagree. The average home user has not need whatsoever of NTFS, it’s overhead and the troubles involved in recovery if something goes wrong.
OK, so we disagree. That’s new? 🙂



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui
V
Voivod
Sep 23, 2004
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:14:25 -0700, Combaticus
scribbled:

in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/22/2004 10:33 AM:

I completely disagree. http://www.artistmikeisuni.com is a super site with tons of great stuff to see and learn, and even to buy.

Your right.

I wonder if AstraWeb has a spamming policy, let’s find out.
V
Voivoid
Sep 23, 2004
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/23/2004 6:17 AM:

I wonder if AstraWeb has a spamming policy, let’s find out.

You’re so silly. You need other people to prop up your opinions and you need other people do do your dirty work for you.
V
Voivod
Sep 24, 2004
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:07:59 -0700, Voivoid scribbled:

in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/23/2004 6:17 AM:

I wonder if AstraWeb has a spamming policy, let’s find out.

You’re so silly. You need other people to prop up your opinions and you need other people do do your dirty work for you.

As usual, Uni, you make little to no sense. But I see you’ve stopped flogging your lame web site. Good luck finding yet another provider.
J
Jackie
Sep 24, 2004
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/24/2004 3:28 AM:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:07:59 -0700, Voivoid scribbled:

in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/23/2004 6:17 AM:

I wonder if AstraWeb has a spamming policy, let’s find out.

You’re so silly. You need other people to prop up your opinions and you need other people do do your dirty work for you.

As usual, Uni, you make little to no sense. But I see you’ve stopped flogging your lame web site. Good luck finding yet another provider.

The site is still there.
V
Voivoid
Sep 24, 2004
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/24/2004 3:28 AM:

Good luck finding yet another provider.

No need, goofball.
S
Scraphead
Sep 24, 2004
"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/24/2004 3:28 AM:

Good luck finding yet another provider.

No need, goofball.
Is this the Uni that is always at the animated gifs newsgroups?
U
Uni
Sep 26, 2004
Jackie wrote:
in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/24/2004 3:28 AM:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:07:59 -0700, Voivoid scribbled:

in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/23/2004 6:17 AM:

I wonder if AstraWeb has a spamming policy, let’s find out.

You’re so silly. You need other people to prop up your opinions and you need other people do do your dirty work for you.

As usual, Uni, you make little to no sense. But I see you’ve stopped flogging your lame web site. Good luck finding yet another provider.

The site is still there.

Of course, it is:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/uni_stuff/uni-page.htm l

🙂

Uni
U
Uni
Sep 26, 2004
Scraphead wrote:
"Voivoid" wrote in message

in article , Voivod at
wrote on 09/24/2004 3:28 AM:

Good luck finding yet another provider.

No need, goofball.

Is this the Uni that is always at the animated gifs newsgroups?

No, silly, that’s the Uni who hangs in the Paint Shop Pro group, while teaching the participants about the birds, the bees and graphics apps jubilees.

🙂

Uni

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