Sizing an Image for an 8×10 Print with Border

"Dennis Hughes" wrote:

I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8×10 inch with a 1/4" border at a local printer.

I’m using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5×9.5" and then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

I must have missed the part where you tell us how you are adding a border to the image. Plus, also the part where you looked in the manual for the print options, but could not figure them out so you came here.

Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A better way to add a border?

Yes.

Try telling us the rest of the story. Since we do not know what, exactly, you are doing beyond resizing the image, there isn’t much anyone can do for you except guess.

It is possible, for example, that you do not know what a "layer" is. It is possible that you ae cropping the image to past in the border. Yikes. There is no guessing what sorts of things that you are doing wrong – so tell us.

The Doormouse

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The Doormouse wrote:

Yes.

Try telling us the rest of the story. Since we do not know what, exactly, you are doing beyond resizing the image, there isn’t much anyone can do for you except guess.

The Doormouse

The doormouse at her best!

I think I know what you want.
Create an empty file the 8×10 dimensions you want at the resolution your lab specifies. Into this, paste your image. Set guidelines to be whatever distance from the edge your boarder is intended to be and click on "show bounding boxes". Click on a corner box then press the shift key and move your mounse to resize the image to the guidelines.

You just better hope than that your lab prints the file and not resize it so the whole picture fills the page! One way out of that problem is to make lines at the edges of the 8×10 area. It means having a slightly larger document but the image starts at the 8×10 boarder and you will have the white area you seek.

Ryadia

Ryadia wrote:

I think I know what you want.

Ryd doesn’t *know for sure*, though, because she has to guess. That’s why I wanted more info.

The Doormouse

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In article <BzL5d.1386$>,
says…

I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8×10 inch with a 1/4" border at a local printer.

I’m using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5×9.5" and then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A better way to add a border?

Thanks,

Dennis

Dennis,

This will depend on your lab’s capabilities, and what they need/want to work from. Your method will work well, if they print your image as "full bleed" on an 8×10 page, provided that their equipment will allow the printing to be within 1/4" of the margin of the page. If their equipment needs more margin for the print heads, you might be faced with having to have a larger print made and then trimmed to 8×10. If that is the case (limitation of equipment used by lab), you might go for an 8.5×11, and do the same as you have stated, however, I’d do the layout asymetrically, if possible, so you’d only have to trim two sides, not four. This would require your knowing if lab’s printer had asymetrical margins, say 3/8" left & bottom, and 1/4" right & top. Most printers now, can do full-bleed, so your method should work with them.

The use of a Layer, Image>Transform, and guides, as stated, will also work in that case.

Hunt

Talk to the print shop and ak them

It depends upon the sophistication of the equipment and experience of staff

It may be as simple as
select image
select print size
with border y/n

Above assumes an automated customer based print machine

If there are alternatives your print shop should ask

Once you have made the choice then ask them if the image should be in native format eg as it came from the camera or if there are any options you can set in PS.

In all likelihood they will probably be impressed you asked

It may be the case that you know more than the staff in the shop (sorta depends upon the shop setup if u know what I mean)

Artie

ps – let’s know how you get on.

FWIW – I had some 15" by 12" prints from my 2MP interpolated to 4 MP (yes, it’s a Fuji and I luv it) and left all the details to the printer drivers. Quality of the print blew my socks off (if u see them send them back, my feet are getting cold 🙂

Rather than take in 20 prints on the first visit do what the pro’s do – do a trial first, evaluate and then go in with the big print run. If the commercial printer costs megabucks it probably has all the required tweaks and twiddles preet anyway

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"Dennis Hughes" wrote in message

I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8×10 inch with a 1/4" border at a local printer.

I’m using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5×9.5" and then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A better way to add a border?

Thanks,

Dennis

Thanks to all for the help. As a newbie, I still need some clarification.

First of all, to answer Doormouse, I have a 3008 px by 2400 px jpg image from my Nikon D70 that I shot of the Women in the Wind group at a local motorcycle charity rally. That’s the image I want to crop for an 8×10 inch print (including a1/4" border) with 200+ ppi. I forgot to shift the camera to RAW mode, but that’s another story.

I’m using only the background layer for this image, unless that needs to change. After I cropped the original 3008×2400 image to 7.5"x9.5" I had 2000×2533 pixels at 266.6 ppi.

Then I accessed the canvas size to add 1/2 inch to each dimension in order to have the white 1/4" border around the image.

Good advice from Hunt & Artie about the liaison with the lab. As this is my first shot at this, that makes terrific sense and will make my next foray a bit easier, as I know what the lab wants and what their capabilities are. Plus this will increase my education to see what is on the other side.

Now, here is where I need some more help. Ryadia suggested I start with a new image, which I made, 8"x10" at 300 ppi. I then went to the jpg original and did a copy and then paste into the new image. Worked fine, but now I can’t figure out how to access the guidelines or bounding boxes. I went to the help file and bounding boxes had "image maps" which I also accessed in help. There they write of "Image Map Visibility buttons" which I just can’t find in CS. Nor can I find the Edit > Preferences > Image Maps, which they also mentioned.

So, how do I set the guidelines & access the bounding boxes. I’m sure I’ll feel a bit embarrassed when I find it is right under my nose, but maybe that’s the problem. :<)

Thanks again for the interest, help and patience this group shows to the newbies. Just reading through the Qs & As is valuable learning.

Dennis

"Dennis Hughes" wrote in message

I have some images of my group I want to have printed 8×10 inch with a 1/4" border at a local printer.

I’m using CS. Best process I have come up with is to crop to 7.5×9.5" and then increase the canvas size by .5" in each axis.

Is there a better way to have the image the right size to add the border? A better way to add a border?

Thanks,

Dennis

Dennis Hughes wrote:

Now, here is where I need some more help. Ryadia suggested I start with a new image, which I made, 8"x10" at 300 ppi. I then went to the jpg original and did a copy and then paste into the new image. Worked fine, but now I can’t figure out how to access the guidelines or bounding boxes. I went to the help file and bounding boxes had "image maps" which I also accessed in help. There they write of "Image Map Visibility buttons" which I just can’t find in CS. Nor can I find the Edit > Preferences > Image Maps, which they also mentioned.

So, how do I set the guidelines & access the bounding boxes. I’m sure I’ll feel a bit embarrassed when I find it is right under my nose, but maybe that’s the problem. :<)

Thanks again for the interest, help and patience this group shows to the newbies. Just reading through the Qs & As is valuable learning.
Dennis

The bounding box selection is on the toolbar. After you paste an image, click the arrow pointer tool and the bounding box selection will appear.

To get the guide lines, open view and tick rulers. Put your mouse over a ruler and hold down the left button as you drag a guide line out.

If that doesn’t work, use a different program or take some lessons in PS.

Ryadia

Ryadia,

That works great. Found the bounding box on the options menu for the move tool and the guides under the view menu. Piece of cake once I got the lingo down. The vocabulary can be the hardest part of learning a new skill. I’m in a 3 hour course at the local college on Photoshop. We’re using the Adobe Classroom in a Book text, but obviously I haven’t gotten to this part just yet.

Thanks,

Dennis

"Ryadia" wrote in message

Dennis Hughes wrote:

Now, here is where I need some more help. Ryadia suggested I start with a new image, which I made, 8"x10" at 300 ppi. I then went to the jpg original and did a copy and then paste into the new image. Worked fine, but now I can’t figure out how to access the guidelines or bounding boxes. I went to the help file and bounding boxes had "image maps" which I also accessed in help. There they write of "Image Map Visibility buttons" which I just can’t find in CS. Nor can I find the Edit > Preferences > Image Maps, which they also mentioned.

So, how do I set the guidelines & access the bounding boxes. I’m sure I’ll feel a bit embarrassed when I find it is right under my nose, but maybe that’s the problem. :<)

Thanks again for the interest, help and patience this group shows to the newbies. Just reading through the Qs & As is valuable learning.
Dennis

The bounding box selection is on the toolbar. After you paste an image, click the arrow pointer tool and the bounding box selection will appear.
To get the guide lines, open view and tick rulers. Put your mouse over a ruler and hold down the left button as you drag a guide line out.
If that doesn’t work, use a different program or take some lessons in PS.
Ryadia

In article <t2e6d.5412$>,
says…

Ryadia,

That works great. Found the bounding box on the options menu for the move tool and the guides under the view menu. Piece of cake once I got the lingo down. The vocabulary can be the hardest part of learning a new skill. I’m in a 3 hour course at the local college on Photoshop. We’re using the Adobe Classroom in a Book text, but obviously I haven’t gotten to this part just yet.

Thanks,

Dennis

[SNIP]

Dennis,

Does this mean that you were able to do all that you needed to do and are satisfied with the results? If so, a good learning experience! As to the lingo, I agree with your assessment. Though I’ve been in commercial photography and the graphic arts for 30 years, and have used PS from v2, plus PhotoStyler, finding the RIGHT words can be a chore. How does one use Help, when you don’t know what the developers called something? Experience will certainly help, but even that is not a fail-safe. One of the great aspects of this, and other Usenet groups, is that one can state their problem in their own terms, and someone will usually be able to translate it into PS (or some other program’s) words.

Glad you got what you needed,
Hunt

Why not simply change the dpi of the original to 300dpi? That makes absolutely no change in the image and yields 10×8 print. Add an outside Stroke of 150pix for your white border.
Good luck! . . . . patrick

"Dennis Hughes" wrote in message

Thanks to all for the help. As a newbie, I still need some clarification.
First of all, to answer Doormouse, I have a 3008 px by 2400 px jpg image from my Nikon D70 > Then I accessed the canvas size to add 1/2 inch to each dimension in order to have the white 1/4" border around the image.
Dennis

Hunt,

Yes to all. The good thing about this is learning new and different approaches to achieve the same results. The bounding box is similar to transform, but I didn’t know it existed until this thread of messages.

Patrick also offered a new, to me, way to make the border. I suspect I will be able to translate all these techniques to other uses besides making borders in working with CS.

Thanks,

Dennis

"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <t2e6d.5412$>,
says…

Ryadia,

That works great. Found the bounding box on the options menu for the move tool and the guides under the view menu. Piece of cake once I got the lingo
down. The vocabulary can be the hardest part of learning a new skill. I’m
in a 3 hour course at the local college on Photoshop. We’re using the Adobe
Classroom in a Book text, but obviously I haven’t gotten to this part just yet.

Thanks,

Dennis

[SNIP]

Dennis,

Does this mean that you were able to do all that you needed to do and are satisfied with the results? If so, a good learning experience! As to the lingo, I agree with your assessment. Though I’ve been in commercial photography and the graphic arts for 30 years, and have used PS from v2, plus
PhotoStyler, finding the RIGHT words can be a chore. How does one use Help,
when you don’t know what the developers called something? Experience will certainly help, but even that is not a fail-safe. One of the great aspects of
this, and other Usenet groups, is that one can state their problem in their
own terms, and someone will usually be able to translate it into PS (or some
other program’s) words.

Glad you got what you needed,
Hunt

Patrick,

Another good technique to make this happen. Thanks for the idea.

Regards,

Dennis

"patrick" wrote in message

Why not simply change the dpi of the original to 300dpi? That makes absolutely no change in the image and yields 10×8 print. Add an outside Stroke of 150pix for your white border.
Good luck! . . . . patrick

"Dennis Hughes" wrote in message

Thanks to all for the help. As a newbie, I still need some clarification.

First of all, to answer Doormouse, I have a 3008 px by 2400 px jpg image from my Nikon D70 > Then I accessed the canvas size to add 1/2 inch to each dimension in order to have the white 1/4" border around the image.
Dennis

In article <Adh6d.5596$>,
says…

Hunt,

Yes to all. The good thing about this is learning new and different approaches to achieve the same results. The bounding box is similar to transform, but I didn’t know it existed until this thread of messages.
Patrick also offered a new, to me, way to make the border. I suspect I will be able to translate all these techniques to other uses besides making borders in working with CS.

Thanks,

Dennis

[SNIP]

One of the really nice things about PS, though daunting at times, is that you can do many operations many different ways. Some days I just marvel at the tips here, for operations that I’ve been doing for years one way, and lo, there is an even less time intensive way to do it.

Hunt