CIS vs Refill

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Sep 28, 2004
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I need replacement carts for my Epson 2200. For this round, I’m going through Mediastreet and ordering G6 carts and a bulk refill kit. I have been looking at the Niagara system they carry. Can anyone advise about a breakpoint for printing vs cost of the CIS?

I’ve got to admit it looks great and sounds wonderful, but I don’t print color full time. Yeah, my initial outlay for all the cartridges, chip resetter and 4 Oz bottles of ink was close to the cost of the CIS, but I’m wondering how much you need to print to justify the outlay. If it helps anyone, I figure I bought somewhere between 9 months and a years worth of ink the way I print color.

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Ryadia_
Sep 28, 2004
xDsrtRat wrote:

I need replacement carts for my Epson 2200. For this round, I’m going through Mediastreet and ordering G6 carts and a bulk refill kit. I have been looking at the Niagara system they carry. Can anyone advise about a breakpoint for printing vs cost of the CIS?

I’ve got to admit it looks great and sounds wonderful, but I don’t print color full time. Yeah, my initial outlay for all the cartridges, chip resetter and 4 Oz bottles of ink was close to the cost of the CIS, but I’m wondering how much you need to print to justify the outlay. If it helps anyone, I figure I bought somewhere between 9 months and a years worth of ink the way I print color.
FYI. I bought CIS kit from inksupply .com. The first one arrived damaged. It cost me $25 to send it back. The second one arrived intact but after following their instructions to the letter, the printer failed to ‘see’ the cyan and yellow tanks. I removed them to see if there was a problem and discovered there was no electronic chip on the yellow tank.

I found it floating around in the bottom of the packing box and pushed it in place. Re inserted the tanks and got a message that there was no magenta tank. As I took it out, I saw a pool of ink in the bottom of the printer. Inksupply don’t want to know me for a refund and their rubbish just trashed a brand new r310 (r300 in the US) printer! The Epson service centre said "Good luck" as they refused a warranty service due to failed modifications.

The cost of Epson ink is more than a CIS but less than having to buy 2 printers to discover you shouldn’t do it!

Ryadia
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xDsrtRat
Sep 28, 2004
"Ryadia" wrote in message
xDsrtRat wrote:

I need replacement carts for my Epson 2200. For this round, I’m going through Mediastreet and ordering G6 carts and a bulk refill kit. I have
been
looking at the Niagara system they carry. Can anyone advise about a breakpoint for printing vs cost of the CIS?

I’ve got to admit it looks great and sounds wonderful, but I don’t print color full time. Yeah, my initial outlay for all the cartridges, chip resetter and 4 Oz bottles of ink was close to the cost of the CIS, but
I’m
wondering how much you need to print to justify the outlay. If it helps anyone, I figure I bought somewhere between 9 months and a years worth
of
ink the way I print color.
FYI. I bought CIS kit from inksupply .com. The first one arrived damaged. It cost me $25 to send it back. The second one arrived intact but after following their instructions to the letter, the printer failed to ‘see’ the cyan and yellow tanks. I removed them to see if there was a problem and discovered there was no electronic chip on the yellow tank.
I found it floating around in the bottom of the packing box and pushed it in place. Re inserted the tanks and got a message that there was no magenta tank. As I took it out, I saw a pool of ink in the bottom of the printer. Inksupply don’t want to know me for a refund and their rubbish just trashed a brand new r310 (r300 in the US) printer! The Epson service centre said "Good luck" as they refused a warranty service due to failed modifications.

The cost of Epson ink is more than a CIS but less than having to buy 2 printers to discover you shouldn’t do it!

Ryadia

Thanks for the input. I hadn’t even considered problems like that. I think I’m going to stay with refilling for a while and see how much of a PITA it really is. I also have some space considerations to think about. I don’t know if I can fit a CIS on the shelf where I keep my printers.
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Hecate
Sep 29, 2004
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:21:31 +1000, Ryadia
wrote:

FYI. I bought CIS kit from inksupply .com. The first one arrived damaged. It cost me $25 to send it back. The second one arrived intact but after following their instructions to the letter, the printer failed to ‘see’ the cyan and yellow tanks. I removed them to see if there was a problem and discovered there was no electronic chip on the yellow tank.
I found it floating around in the bottom of the packing box and pushed it in place. Re inserted the tanks and got a message that there was no magenta tank. As I took it out, I saw a pool of ink in the bottom of the printer. Inksupply don’t want to know me for a refund and their rubbish just trashed a brand new r310 (r300 in the US) printer! The Epson service centre said "Good luck" as they refused a warranty service due to failed modifications.

The cost of Epson ink is more than a CIS but less than having to buy 2 printers to discover you shouldn’t do it!
Yikes! Bad news! For a complete reversal of that – in the UYK Permajet provide a system which works well, doesn’t cause problems and gives good i9mages. Added to this, their universal black works on glossy unlike the Epson version.



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Clive Croucher
Oct 2, 2004
The real answer is to campaign to get epson and all the other printer manufacturers to reduce the cost of print cartridges.

Most of us would prefer to use the cartridge recommended by the printer manuafacturer (their own) but are forced to go elsewhere simply because of cost. A worlwide campaign is the answer, anyone interested?

"xDsrtRat" wrote in message
I need replacement carts for my Epson 2200. For this round, I’m going through Mediastreet and ordering G6 carts and a bulk refill kit. I have been
looking at the Niagara system they carry. Can anyone advise about a breakpoint for printing vs cost of the CIS?

I’ve got to admit it looks great and sounds wonderful, but I don’t print color full time. Yeah, my initial outlay for all the cartridges, chip resetter and 4 Oz bottles of ink was close to the cost of the CIS, but I’m wondering how much you need to print to justify the outlay. If it helps anyone, I figure I bought somewhere between 9 months and a years worth of ink the way I print color.

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BIG ONE
Oct 2, 2004
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:59:22 +0100, "clive"
wrote:

The real answer is to campaign to get epson and all the other printer manufacturers to reduce the cost of print cartridges.

Most of us would prefer to use the cartridge recommended by the printer manuafacturer (their own) but are forced to go elsewhere simply because of cost. A worlwide campaign is the answer, anyone interested?

i’m interested …. clive + me, we’ll stop those money grabbin skum
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fatchance
Oct 3, 2004
All the printer manufacturers pretty much give away their printers and make money on ink. (Well, Epson doesn’t exactly give them away.) But Epson is particularly guilty in doing this:

– by not providing decent media profiles for their own ink – by providing a horrific driver interface
– by not providing a good users’ manual

These result in numerous (sometimes incorrect) "tutorials" on how to print (from PS), and costly third party profiles. The customers take it on their chins burning tons of paper and ink just to learn how to print.

The only way to dethrone Epson is for another manufacturer to come up with a competitive product with good support.

clive wrote:
The real answer is to campaign to get epson and all the other printer manufacturers to reduce the cost of print cartridges.

Most of us would prefer to use the cartridge recommended by the printer manuafacturer (their own) but are forced to go elsewhere simply because of cost. A worlwide campaign is the answer, anyone interested?
"xDsrtRat" wrote in message
I need replacement carts for my Epson 2200. For this round, I’m going through Mediastreet and ordering G6 carts and a bulk refill kit. I have been
looking at the Niagara system they carry. Can anyone advise about a breakpoint for printing vs cost of the CIS?

I’ve got to admit it looks great and sounds wonderful, but I don’t print color full time. Yeah, my initial outlay for all the cartridges, chip resetter and 4 Oz bottles of ink was close to the cost of the CIS, but I’m wondering how much you need to print to justify the outlay. If it helps anyone, I figure I bought somewhere between 9 months and a years worth of ink the way I print color.

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Glance
Dec 16, 2004
I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7
months for my Epson 2200. It works really cool, much "more" than what I expected. I bought a system – it can
works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told me.

Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to make money from me "again".
Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only last 3-6 months, and you have
get back to them and buy the whole system again.

Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to the way the original
cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly drains to
the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head.

The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control the ink flow, so it doesn’t just drip out once the ink outlet of the cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head carriage movement.

In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the system uses
standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink.

The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the surface of this sponge or
batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in the
system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink flow.

Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design. The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the flow so they don’t leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the ink
outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage. Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed.

Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as mentioned above, and Epson’s more complex design has potential problems

for a continuous ink system as well. That’s where InkRepublic.com’s ink dampers come in.
They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a problem with
siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous ink system.

The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were jury-rigged, and although
they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were

not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these

installation users, either when they first get installed (and the difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after

they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge system comes out of the closet.

With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc.

One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is because continuous ink systems tend to
use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design

would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks on the other.

But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK, their
system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means:

1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new chipsets, that’s it. This is big saving.

2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout.

3. No clogging, no leaking.

4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system. InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At least they are more customized and customers oriented.

Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins, I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from http://www.InkRepublic.com

Here are more reference for you:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp
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SpaceGirl
Dec 16, 2004
Glance wrote:
I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7
months for my Epson 2200. It works really cool, much "more" than what I expected. I bought a system – it can
works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told me.

Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to make money from me "again".
Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only last 3-6 months, and you have
get back to them and buy the whole system again.

Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to the way the original
cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly drains to
the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head.

The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control the ink flow, so it doesn’t just drip out once the ink outlet of the cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head carriage movement.

In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the system uses
standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink.

The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the surface of this sponge or
batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in the
system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink flow.

Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design. The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the flow so they don’t leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the ink
outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage. Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed.
Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as mentioned above, and Epson’s more complex design has potential problems
for a continuous ink system as well. That’s where InkRepublic.com’s ink dampers come in.
They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a problem with
siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous ink system.

The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were jury-rigged, and although
they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were
not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these
installation users, either when they first get installed (and the difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after
they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge system comes out of the closet.

With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc.

One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is because continuous ink systems tend to
use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design
would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks on the other.

But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK, their
system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means:

1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new chipsets, that’s it. This is big saving.

2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout.
3. No clogging, no leaking.

4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system. InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At least they are more customized and customers oriented.

Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins, I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from http://www.InkRepublic.com

Here are more reference for you:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp

And your association with them is? Sales Rep?



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trendysystem
Dec 16, 2004

And your association with them is? Sales Rep?



x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

Regardless this issue,
their system looks very interested to me.
I am wondering how much bucks i can save out there.
If I am right, I may save roughtly about 65% on ink.
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Bill Newton
Dec 17, 2004
"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

clip ………

And your association with them is? Sales Rep?

If it is …….. and if it annoys you…… you should at least refrain from repeating the entire content of the offending mail in your response.

The reasoning behind my comment should be obvious to you.

Pardon me smiling:-)

Bill Newton.
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SpaceGirl
Dec 17, 2004
Bill Newton wrote:
"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

clip ………

And your association with them is? Sales Rep?

If it is …….. and if it annoys you…… you should at least refrain from repeating the entire content of the offending mail in your response.
The reasoning behind my comment should be obvious to you.
Pardon me smiling:-)

Bill Newton.

My sarcasm appears to have been transparent 🙂 I actually like the idea of the product too!



x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

# lead designer @ http://www.dhnewmedia.com #
# remove NO SPAM to email, or use form on website #
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DaisyCutter
Dec 17, 2004
Interested….

I have looked the R800 from this page:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Installation.asp

Have you tried their so called i-INK system?
If not, how about your 2200 ?
What is their chipset? need to re-set? and how ?

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