boundary treatment when extracting objects in front of blue screen?

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Roberto
Jan 16, 2007
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If I have a person shot against a blue screen, how can I extract the person to put in front of other background?

The simplest solution would be to use magic wand to select the blue background, inverse, then copy the person.

However, there is a problem at the boundaries. Let’s say this person is wearing white clothing. At the boundary of the white clothing and the blue background, some pixels are a mixture of white and blue color. If these pixels are included, there will be a faint ring of blue color around the person. If these pixels are excluded, let’s say by contracting the selection, then part of the person is lost. Even if I feather the selection, this problem still exists.

What is the solution?

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ronviers
Jan 16, 2007
peter wrote:
If I have a person shot against a blue screen, how can I extract the person to put in front of other background?

The simplest solution would be to use magic wand to select the blue background, inverse, then copy the person.

However, there is a problem at the boundaries. Let’s say this person is wearing white clothing. At the boundary of the white clothing and the blue background, some pixels are a mixture of white and blue color. If these pixels are included, there will be a faint ring of blue color around the person. If these pixels are excluded, let’s say by contracting the selection, then part of the person is lost. Even if I feather the selection, this problem still exists.

What is the solution?

There are a lot of techniques but they each depend on the details of the images. Can you post links to the images?
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Mike Russell
Jan 16, 2007
peter wrote:
If I have a person shot against a blue screen, how can I extract the person
to put in front of other background?

The simplest solution would be to use magic wand to select the blue background, inverse, then copy the person.

However, there is a problem at the boundaries. Let’s say this person is wearing white clothing. At the boundary of the white clothing and the blue
background, some pixels are a mixture of white and blue color. If these pixels are included, there will be a faint ring of blue color around the person. If these pixels are excluded, let’s say by contracting the selection, then part of the person is lost. Even if I feather the selection,
this problem still exists.

What is the solution?

This is a well known problem with blue screening. If you have control during the shoot, use a high angled backlight with a warm gel, which will generate a cleaner mask as well as getting rid of the fringe.

If you are dealing with images after the fact, there are a variety of ways to deal with it, as Ron says. You can hit the blue areas with the sponge in desaturate mode, or knock back the blue with curves, Hue Sat, select the area using the matte and use defringe, or a variety of other tools in Photoshop.

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
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ronviers
Jan 16, 2007
Mike Russell wrote:
use a high angled backlight with a warm gel, which will
generate a cleaner mask as well as getting rid of the fringe.

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Hi Mike,
Why does this work? If I assume you mean the light source should be centered with relation to the subject this would effectively create a gradient on the backdrop with maximum contrast along the edge of the subject while shifting the blue background towards neutral. This would complicate exposure but if detail is maintained in the subject then I can imagine how there would appear to be an almost white glow emanating from behind the subject. Is that the idea?
My experience with backlights and gobos is that they complicate the exposure and screw with white balance.

Thanks,
Ron
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Roberto
Jan 16, 2007
"Mike Russell" wrote in message
This is a well known problem with blue screening. If you have control during the shoot, use a high angled backlight with a warm gel, which will generate a cleaner mask as well as getting rid of the fringe.

Could you explain what "high angled backlight" is?

If you are dealing with images after the fact, there are a variety of ways to deal with it, as Ron says. You can hit the blue areas with the sponge in desaturate mode, or knock back the blue with curves, Hue Sat, select the area using the matte and use defringe, or a variety of other tools in Photoshop.

Thanks for the pointer to Defringe. I didn’t know about it before.

I experimented with it a little. It is a good idea, but the implentation could use a little more intelligence. Right now it can blur the edge after defringe. And if the fringe includes too much background color (1 extra pixel width), defringe would totally mess up.
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John
Jan 16, 2007
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Mike Russell wrote:
use a high angled backlight with a warm gel, which will
generate a cleaner mask as well as getting rid of the fringe.

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Hi Mike,
Why does this work?

I am not Mike, but I am a photographer. Picture the extra light coming from behind the subject, out of view of the camera lens, and therefore it is not illuminating the blue background. With a warming filter, it creates a clean color contrast at the edges of the subject that would otherwise be commingled (via hue and luminosity) with the blue background.
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ronviers
Jan 16, 2007
John wrote:

I am not Mike, but I am a photographer. Picture the extra light coming from behind the subject, out of view of the camera lens, and therefore it is not illuminating the blue background. With a warming filter, it creates a clean color contrast at the edges of the subject that would otherwise be commingled (via hue and luminosity) with the blue background.

Hi John,
Thanks for the additional information. This is totally different from what I was thinking. So let me get this straight, the role of the backlight is to eliminate the shadows from the subject. The colored fringe is a result of a penumbra created from the backlight’s interaction with the subject illumination. The role of the gel is to remove the penumbra by shifting the balance of the foreground and background illumination to either behind or to the edge of the subject. Is this correct? Does the gel need to be warming or could it be ND?

Thanks,
Ron

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