CRT vs. LCD ??

Send me a note off-list & I’ll return a PowerPoint file on the subject that I taught to my Digital Photography class. Suffice to say, many LCD monitors (and nearly all laptops) don’t even offer true 8bit color. No LCD does everything with the grace of a decent CRT, but a satisfactory monitor can be found IF you know what’s important to you and select one that’s "in synch" with your needs.

To get started, check these sites:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.htm l http://www.behardware.com/
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphics/displays/index.html http://www.anandtech.com/displays/

David "Routemeister" Thompson

http://picasaweb.google.com/david.routemeister
http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/

"Fruit2O" wrote in message

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

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Laptop monitor screens are not the same as standalone flat panels in their performance as well as adjustability for calibrating.
They can be used but are more difficult to use than desktop flat panels if your goal is reliable, predictable printing.
Lessons learned from the public release beta of Vista which is said to be the final shipping code:
When Vista is released there will probably be drivers for recent printers and scanners but as of now there are few. Epson has yet to release a Vista compatible driver. There are no drivers for calibration devices and XP drivers do not work with Vista. Nor do many CD/DVD authoring programs, video editing programs, Virus programs, etc. CS2 and CS3 run well on Vista but some tests have shown that performance is actually slower for many operations under Vista than XP.
Vista is a performance sucker and worse if you use the glitzy but useless aero 3d interface. It is not a good OS for laptops, regardless of what Microsoft and manufacturers will tell you because it requires gobs of memory and laptops, with only a few exceptions, do not have a second hard drive to use for virtual memory/swap. Laptops will not be practical for use with Vista until flash memory augmented hard drives become the norm, which will likely happen over the next year.
If you upgrade to Vista it is best to install it as a second OS, again not practical on a laptop, as it will destroy your XP installation and you cannot revert to your prior OS as with earlier versions of Windows. Also the Vista boot loader cannot be removed from your hard drive without a complete reformat. As of now even multi-OS commercial boot loaders cannot displace the Vista boot loader, they merely load on top of it.
I am not a Microsoft basher but Vista is, at best, problematic. Wait and see is the best approach. No one "needs" Vista.

"gowanoh" wrote in message

Laptop monitor screens are not the same as standalone flat panels in their performance as well as adjustability for calibrating.
They can be used but are more difficult to use than desktop flat panels if your goal is reliable, predictable printing.
Lessons learned from the public release beta of Vista which is said to be the final shipping code:
When Vista is released there will probably be drivers for recent printers and scanners but as of now there are few. Epson has yet to release a Vista compatible driver. There are no drivers for calibration devices and XP drivers do not work with Vista. Nor do many CD/DVD authoring programs, video editing programs, Virus programs, etc. CS2 and CS3 run well on Vista but some tests have shown that performance is actually slower for many operations under Vista than XP.
Vista is a performance sucker and worse if you use the glitzy but useless aero 3d interface. It is not a good OS for laptops, regardless of what Microsoft and manufacturers will tell you because it requires gobs of memory and laptops, with only a few exceptions, do not have a second hard drive to use for virtual memory/swap. Laptops will not be practical for use with Vista until flash memory augmented hard drives become the norm, which will likely happen over the next year.
If you upgrade to Vista it is best to install it as a second OS, again not practical on a laptop, as it will destroy your XP installation and you cannot revert to your prior OS as with earlier versions of Windows. Also the Vista boot loader cannot be removed from your hard drive without a complete reformat. As of now even multi-OS commercial boot loaders cannot displace the Vista boot loader, they merely load on top of it. I am not a Microsoft basher but Vista is, at best, problematic. Wait and see is the best approach. No one "needs" Vista.

In other words, Vista will be dead on arrival.
Jim

"gowanoh" wrote in message

Laptop monitor screens are not the same as standalone flat panels in their performance as well as adjustability for calibrating.
They can be used but are more difficult to use than desktop flat panels if your goal is reliable, predictable printing.
Lessons learned from the public release beta of Vista which is said to be the final shipping code:
When Vista is released there will probably be drivers for recent printers and scanners but as of now there are few. Epson has yet to release a Vista compatible driver. There are no drivers for calibration devices and XP drivers do not work with Vista. Nor do many CD/DVD authoring programs, video editing programs, Virus programs, etc. CS2 and CS3 run well on Vista but some tests have shown that performance is actually slower for many operations under Vista than XP.
Vista is a performance sucker and worse if you use the glitzy but useless aero 3d interface. It is not a good OS for laptops, regardless of what Microsoft and manufacturers will tell you because it requires gobs of memory and laptops, with only a few exceptions, do not have a second hard drive to use for virtual memory/swap. Laptops will not be practical for use with Vista until flash memory augmented hard drives become the norm, which will likely happen over the next year.
If you upgrade to Vista it is best to install it as a second OS, again not practical on a laptop, as it will destroy your XP installation and you cannot revert to your prior OS as with earlier versions of Windows. Also the Vista boot loader cannot be removed from your hard drive without a complete reformat. As of now even multi-OS commercial boot loaders cannot displace the Vista boot loader, they merely load on top of it. I am not a Microsoft basher but Vista is, at best, problematic. Wait and see is the best approach. No one "needs" Vista.

I agree:

XP is the best OS MS have done so far,
it works so well, I am not willing to try an untried, incompatible with almost everything, OS
and it took almost a year for them to really finish XP with SP2 and get all the glitches out and drivers up to date
If Epson has no drivers I’m sure it is too soon to get it for my purposes. Again the XP driver is substandard to the Epson one.
and if you can’t make a CD or DVD with 3rd party software, it’s useless (the come-with Windoz CD writer sucks)

I saw the "improvements" and I see no need for it (yet) I don’t need transparent windows, not even sure I would like them, an add-on proggie can re-skin your XP to that style now.
I don’t keep so many open anyhow that I lose track, (they are in the taskbar), so the 3d windows sounds kinda dumb and Apple-ish. We need meat not whipped cream.

Why is 64 bits better? will that affect the look of the graphic display?? the way we use images??
I think I rather invest in more or faster hardware
dual chips
more mem
removable backups etc

anyone using it yet?

I got my first LCD recently due to a comp problem that burnt my CRT and I needed to get one locally ASAP

I chose Samsung 471P after reading reviews and my price range (it was $400.00)
pros:
it swivels to vertical / looks nice/USB easy install
it has 1500:1 contrast ratio more than some hi end LCD, the cheaper ones have only 800
good view angles >>no color changing (I have people review pics over shoulder or next to me
some people highly rate the monitor software calibration tool free with purchase
I like the driver for it

cons
2 ms refresh
it may conflict with some radeon or other video card driver settings (so far OK couple crash to lower res after rotate)
on all LCD text looks disgusting-use clear type and large fonts use at highest res anything lower looks nasty
1280×1024 (I did not choose widescreen) and 32 bit
the white is bluer? than a CRT

so far I am pleased with it cause I thought I would not like it I used adobe gamma to set it up and the driver interface it matches my inkjet and is very close in color to my previous CRT

my first monitor was a Samsung and it lasted long until I got a bigger one so I had some brand loyalty there
I heard DELL are the same inside
and that was another choice I looked at

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

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Welcome to Papa Joe’s

"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

—

One advantage of working at home I can set the room lighting to dim, and I use the window blinds to eliminate any glare
and LCD is the future, you’re correct
most of our customers will be looking at their images on one and their websites too, so I figure I needed one anyway.
I can’t affford the $1000 and over monitors, so I had to compromise, but overall I am happy with the Samsung

I applied for an outside job awhile back and their comp besides not having any arm support on the chair!!! had windows on all sides with a huge glare on the monitor and such overall brightness to the room, I would be blind and crippled in my neck and shoulder in a week!
I suggested to him some shades and a tablet, or at least a decent mouse with right click (Mac with stupid apple mouse)
probably the reason I did not get hired!! plus I wanted more money or some benefits than a kid out of school because I could do the work faster. I told him I would take work home and bring it back, a freelance contract hourly price. The guy’s lab went under less than year later anyway, as so many former photo labs have folded here, so I guess it was good I didn’t take a job I would’ve got laid off anyway.

One thing I heard about Vista today (and I’m not sure I would ever use the feature) is the ability to see 2 diff resolutions on one screen together side by side.
Maybe for web design when you are in high res and need to see a website in a lower one?

my comp repair friend is learning VISTA casue he has to keep up with the latest, he keeps me informed on upgrading…
I learned not to install the newest anything till you find the bugs are worked out.

remember when xp came out
no drivers for anything were ready
lot of security flaws
it had issues!!
it didn’t get good till SP2
I don’t see Vista as ready for prime time yet………
that and everytime I try to change what’s not broken I regret it…

I think to say that XP didn’t come good until SP2 is a bit strong – it was good when it came out and has got(ten for our USA friends) better ever since. Ususally agree totally with you KW, but not this time I’m afraid.

Yours, trembling in his shoes,

Geoff.

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

—

One advantage of working at home I can set the room lighting to dim, and I use the window blinds to eliminate any glare
and LCD is the future, you’re correct
most of our customers will be looking at their images on one and their websites too, so I figure I needed one anyway.
I can’t affford the $1000 and over monitors, so I had to compromise, but overall I am happy with the Samsung

I applied for an outside job awhile back and their comp besides not having any arm support on the chair!!! had windows on all sides with a huge glare on the monitor and such overall brightness to the room, I would be blind and crippled in my neck and shoulder in a week!
I suggested to him some shades and a tablet, or at least a decent mouse with right click (Mac with stupid apple mouse)
probably the reason I did not get hired!! plus I wanted more money or some benefits than a kid out of school because I could do the work faster. I told him I would take work home and bring it back, a freelance contract hourly price. The guy’s lab went under less than year later anyway, as so many former photo labs have folded here, so I guess it was good I didn’t take a job I would’ve got laid off anyway.

One thing I heard about Vista today (and I’m not sure I would ever use the feature) is the ability to see 2 diff resolutions on one screen together side by side.
Maybe for web design when you are in high res and need to see a website in a lower one?

my comp repair friend is learning VISTA casue he has to keep up with the latest, he keeps me informed on upgrading…
I learned not to install the newest anything till you find the bugs are worked out.

remember when xp came out
no drivers for anything were ready
lot of security flaws
it had issues!!
it didn’t get good till SP2
I don’t see Vista as ready for prime time yet………
that and everytime I try to change what’s not broken I regret it…

Fruit2O wrote:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?

I use a Xerox LCD and I find it’s far better than any CRT I’ve ever owned. Also, Photoshopping on my WinXP laptop (Advent) is an extremely pleasurable experience.
Going by the horror stories I’ve read recently about Vista, I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot bargepole.
If you want the Vista look that badly, you can download "Windows Blinds" and the Vista skin to acchieve the look (including transparencies and 3d windows), but without the performance problems.

Jim wrote:

"gowanoh" wrote in message

Laptop monitor screens are not the same as standalone flat panels in their performance as well as adjustability for calibrating. They can be used but are more difficult to use than desktop flat panels if your goal is reliable, predictable printing.
Lessons learned from the public release beta of Vista which is said to be the final shipping code:
When Vista is released there will probably be drivers for recent printers and scanners but as of now there are few. Epson has yet to release a Vista compatible driver. There are no drivers for calibration devices and XP drivers do not work with Vista. Nor do many CD/DVD authoring programs, video editing programs, Virus programs, etc. CS2 and CS3 run well on Vista but some tests have shown that performance is actually slower for many operations under Vista than XP. Vista is a performance sucker and worse if you use the glitzy but
useless aero 3d interface. It is not a good OS for laptops, regardless of what Microsoft and manufacturers will tell you because it requires gobs of memory and laptops, with only a few exceptions, do not have a second hard drive to use for virtual memory/swap. Laptops will not be practical for use with Vista until flash memory augmented hard drives become the norm, which will likely happen over the next year. If you upgrade to Vista it is best to install it as a second OS,
again not practical on a laptop, as it will destroy your XP installation and you cannot revert to your prior OS as with earlier versions of Windows. Also the Vista boot loader cannot be removed from your hard drive without a complete reformat. As of now even multi-OS commercial boot loaders cannot displace the Vista boot loader, they merely load on top of it. I am not a Microsoft basher but Vista is, at best, problematic. Wait
and see is the best approach. No one "needs" Vista.

In other words, Vista will be dead on arrival.
Jim

Yep. Just as Windows ME was.
I still don’t feel that XP is due to be replaced yet.
Having said that, Windows 95 did everything I need from an operating system. Crikey. Imagine how fast my current setup would be with windows 95 installed. Shame none of my hardware would work with it.

KatWoman wrote:

"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):
1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

—

One advantage of working at home I can set the room lighting to dim, and I use the window blinds to eliminate any glare
and LCD is the future, you’re correct
most of our customers will be looking at their images on one and their websites too, so I figure I needed one anyway.
I can’t affford the $1000 and over monitors, so I had to compromise, but overall I am happy with the Samsung

I applied for an outside job awhile back and their comp besides not having any arm support on the chair!!! had windows on all sides with a huge glare on the monitor and such overall brightness to the room, I would be blind and crippled in my neck and shoulder in a week! I suggested to him some shades and a tablet, or at least a decent mouse with right click (Mac with stupid apple mouse)
probably the reason I did not get hired!! plus I wanted more money or some benefits than a kid out of school because I could do the work faster. I told him I would take work home and bring it back, a freelance contract hourly price. The guy’s lab went under less than year later anyway, as so many former photo labs have folded here, so I guess it was good I didn’t take a job I would’ve got laid off anyway.
One thing I heard about Vista today (and I’m not sure I would ever use the feature) is the ability to see 2 diff resolutions on one screen together side by side.
Maybe for web design when you are in high res and need to see a website in a lower one?

my comp repair friend is learning VISTA casue he has to keep up with the latest, he keeps me informed on upgrading…
I learned not to install the newest anything till you find the bugs are worked out.

remember when xp came out
no drivers for anything were ready
lot of security flaws
it had issues!!
it didn’t get good till SP2
I don’t see Vista as ready for prime time yet………
that and everytime I try to change what’s not broken I regret it…

Never buy into new technology until it’s at least 1 year old. Those who buy into it in the first year are simply paying an over-inflated price to do the bugshooting work that the manufacturer really should have done prior to release, and they have to suffer the heartache of hardware and software incompatibilities.
Much better to wait a year until the gullible people have ironed out all the bugs for you.
Then you can buy it at a signifigantly lower price because there’s a new technology that’s superceded it and is currently being bug-tested by all the gullible fools with more money than sense.

Or am I just being cynical?

gowanoh wrote:

Laptop monitor screens are not the same as standalone flat panels in their performance as well as adjustability for calibrating.
They can be used but are more difficult to use than desktop flat panels if your goal is reliable, predictable printing.
Lessons learned from the public release beta of Vista which is said to be the final shipping code:
When Vista is released there will probably be drivers for recent printers and scanners but as of now there are few. Epson has yet to release a Vista compatible driver. There are no drivers for calibration devices and XP drivers do not work with Vista. Nor do many CD/DVD authoring programs, video editing programs, Virus programs, etc. CS2 and CS3 run well on Vista but some tests have shown that performance is actually slower for many operations under Vista than XP.
Vista is a performance sucker and worse if you use the glitzy but useless aero 3d interface. It is not a good OS for laptops, regardless of what Microsoft and manufacturers will tell you because it requires gobs of memory and laptops, with only a few exceptions, do not have a second hard drive to use for virtual memory/swap. Laptops will not be practical for use with Vista until flash memory augmented hard drives become the norm, which will likely happen over the next year.
If you upgrade to Vista it is best to install it as a second OS, again not practical on a laptop, as it will destroy your XP installation and you cannot revert to your prior OS as with earlier versions of Windows. Also the Vista boot loader cannot be removed from your hard drive without a complete reformat. As of now even multi-OS commercial boot loaders cannot displace the Vista boot loader, they merely load on top of it.
I am not a Microsoft basher but Vista is, at best, problematic. Wait and see is the best approach. No one "needs" Vista.

Most all of what you said about Vista is simply not true. Either you’ve not use it or else you’re a newbie and have not idea what you’re doing. Frank

Hi Geoff,

I think to say that XP didn’t come good until SP2 is a bit strong – it was good when it came out

We have 5 computers here at home with XP home and pro. We’ve only recently updated 3 of them to SP2 and we have never had any problems with XP (SP1 or SP2).

—
Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

"Geoff. Hayward" wrote in message

I think to say that XP didn’t come good until SP2 is a bit strong – it was good when it came out and has got(ten for our USA friends) better ever since. Ususally agree totally with you KW, but not this time I’m afraid.
Yours, trembling in his shoes,

Geoff.

hehe I got a bad rep now
"I’m not bad I’m just drawn that way"-Jessica Rabbit

well at first I was put off by XP is was so wizardy and easy it had a diff file structure and everyting was moved around I guess changing always annoys me
and it made for a lot of changes
but it was easier for newbs to use their peripherals etc and easier to explain to them how

all around I think it is their best work so far
I look forward to using Vista but not as an early adopter I feel the same about CS3

I am sure I will need a new comp in under 2 years and it will come with Vista or Vista2
and eventually I will find some feature I need in CS3.

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

—

One advantage of working at home I can set the room lighting to dim, and I use the window blinds to eliminate any glare
and LCD is the future, you’re correct
most of our customers will be looking at their images on one and their websites too, so I figure I needed one anyway.
I can’t affford the $1000 and over monitors, so I had to compromise, but overall I am happy with the Samsung

I applied for an outside job awhile back and their comp besides not having any arm support on the chair!!! had windows on all sides with a huge glare on the monitor and such overall brightness to the room, I would be blind and crippled in my neck and shoulder in a week! I suggested to him some shades and a tablet, or at least a decent mouse with right click (Mac with stupid apple mouse)
probably the reason I did not get hired!! plus I wanted more money or some benefits than a kid out of school because I could do the work faster. I told him I would take work home and bring it back, a freelance contract hourly price. The guy’s lab went under less than year later anyway, as so many former photo labs have folded here, so I guess it was good I didn’t take a job I would’ve got laid off anyway.
One thing I heard about Vista today (and I’m not sure I would ever use the feature) is the ability to see 2 diff resolutions on one screen together side by side.
Maybe for web design when you are in high res and need to see a website in a lower one?

my comp repair friend is learning VISTA casue he has to keep up with the latest, he keeps me informed on upgrading…
I learned not to install the newest anything till you find the bugs are worked out.

remember when xp came out
no drivers for anything were ready
lot of security flaws
it had issues!!
it didn’t get good till SP2
I don’t see Vista as ready for prime time yet………
that and everytime I try to change what’s not broken I regret it…

"Arnor Baldvinsson" wrote in message

Hi Geoff,

I think to say that XP didn’t come good until SP2 is a bit strong – it was good when it came out

We have 5 computers here at home with XP home and pro. We’ve only recently updated 3 of them to SP2 and we have never had any problems with XP (SP1 or SP2).

—
Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

I was referring to the security flaws
and lack of manufacturer drivers when it first came out

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:39:20 GMT, "Fat Sam"
wrote:

Fruit2O wrote:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?

I use a Xerox LCD and I find it’s far better than any CRT I’ve ever owned. Also, Photoshopping on my WinXP laptop (Advent) is an extremely pleasurable experience.
Going by the horror stories I’ve read recently about Vista, I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot bargepole.
If you want the Vista look that badly, you can download "Windows Blinds" and the Vista skin to acchieve the look (including transparencies and 3d windows), but without the performance problems.

Thanks for all the feedback!!!!!!! Any feedback on the high-end LaCie LCD monitors (Besides the price)?

On 2007-01-27 17:52:12 -0400, "Fat Sam" said:

KatWoman wrote:

"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message

On 2007-01-26 13:38:29 -0400, Fruit2O said:

I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):
1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

Lacie is definetely a decent monitor only surpassed by apple’s cinema display ( but they cost more)
for the price Lacie.

CRT vs LCD.
Well CRT is on the way out and LCD is getting better and better. LCD are notorious for angle lighting problems. ( glares) and also slow redraw rates.
Fortunately it’s getting better and the new LCD surpasse CRT in performance these days.

the future is LCD.

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One advantage of working at home I can set the room lighting to dim, and I use the window blinds to eliminate any glare
and LCD is the future, you’re correct
most of our customers will be looking at their images on one and their websites too, so I figure I needed one anyway.
I can’t affford the $1000 and over monitors, so I had to compromise, but overall I am happy with the Samsung

I applied for an outside job awhile back and their comp besides not having any arm support on the chair!!! had windows on all sides with a huge glare on the monitor and such overall brightness to the room, I would be blind and crippled in my neck and shoulder in a week! I suggested to him some shades and a tablet, or at least a decent mouse with right click (Mac with stupid apple mouse)
probably the reason I did not get hired!! plus I wanted more money or some benefits than a kid out of school because I could do the work faster. I told him I would take work home and bring it back, a freelance contract hourly price. The guy’s lab went under less than year later anyway, as so many former photo labs have folded here, so I guess it was good I didn’t take a job I would’ve got laid off anyway.
One thing I heard about Vista today (and I’m not sure I would ever use the feature) is the ability to see 2 diff resolutions on one screen together side by side.
Maybe for web design when you are in high res and need to see a website in a lower one?

my comp repair friend is learning VISTA casue he has to keep up with the latest, he keeps me informed on upgrading…
I learned not to install the newest anything till you find the bugs are worked out.

remember when xp came out
no drivers for anything were ready
lot of security flaws
it had issues!!
it didn’t get good till SP2
I don’t see Vista as ready for prime time yet………
that and everytime I try to change what’s not broken I regret it…

Never buy into new technology until it’s at least 1 year old. Those who buy into it in the first year are simply paying an over-inflated price to do the bugshooting work that the manufacturer really should have done prior to release, and they have to suffer the heartache of hardware and software incompatibilities.
Much better to wait a year until the gullible people have ironed out all the bugs for you.
Then you can buy it at a signifigantly lower price because there’s a new technology that’s superceded it and is currently being bug-tested by all the gullible fools with more money than sense.

Or am I just being cynical?

Mac os X 10.0 was so full of bus it was amazing.
but by 10.2 (panther) it was the most staple os around..with no security issues.

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I am using a LaCie CRT monitor with a LaCie ‘spyder’ at the moment and am very happy with it. However, I’m looking to go ‘mobile’ with my equipment. My questions are (regarding Photoshop):

1. What are the differences between the two monitors (pixels, resolution, contrast, longevity of color retention)?
2. Are there LCD or other flat panel monitors that can be used adequately by Photoshop (my work is with Photography).
3. If so, what brands should I be looking at?
4. Would a high-end laptop suffice (with Vista Ultimate)?
If I haven’t given enough information, please let me know what I missed.

Thanks…..

If you are going mobile, then your choices of monitors will be limited, unless you plan on hooking either an additional, or a replacement monitor to a mobile system.

I’ve used a Toshiba P25-S670, 17", 3.2GHz HT, 2GB RAM, 80GB 5400RPM HDD, plus a ton of external HDDs, either USB2 or FW-400. It’s fine for about 90% of what I do in PS, but I miss my dual 21" Hitachis. What I cannot do is critical color and density. I can complete most of a job (a ton of Layers, and the single screen bugs me too much) on laptop, but everything goes to the workstation for my final.

Re: Vista – have not heard much about it and PS, but you might want to poke into the Adobe Fora and look at Premiere, EncoreDVD, Auditon and AfterEffects. Some people have gotten much of those Adobe programs to work, but I have not found anyone who had gotten it ALL to work. Yes, I do believe that all were using a Beta, but I’ve been told that their final Beta was the shipped code to businesses. You might look beyond PS to try and interpolate from other Adobe programs and how they have worked, or not, with Vista.

Me, I’m cool with XP-Pro & XP-MCE for now. Pro’s SP-2 was included, and has caused few problems. MCE’s was recently added and I’ve had a handful of minor glitches, mostly with MS programs/applications, like Windows Explorer, IE 7, etc. At least one program crash per day, though they usually fire back up and then run. MCE & SP-1 were rock solid for me, and it took years to take the SP -2 plunge.

Only SP-2 problem that I have had is on the Pro workstation. The danged MS Firewall keeps turning itself on, regardless of how many times I turn it off, and tell it to not bug me about that. MS Gremlins, I suppose.

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