indistinct face

On Jun 12, 5:09 am, ""
wrote:
Hi Dw,
With these kinds of questions it can be very helpful if you can post a picture for people to take a look at.

Brgds,
Ron

On 12 Jun, 12:11, "" wrote:

On Jun 12, 5:09 am, ""
wrote:
Hi Dw,
With these kinds of questions it can be very helpful if you can post a picture for people to take a look at.

Brgds,
Ron

How do i add a photo Ron?
cheers
DW

dw wrote:

On 12 Jun, 12:11, "" wrote:

On Jun 12, 5:09 am, ""
wrote:
Hi Dw,
With these kinds of questions it can be very helpful if you can post a picture for people to take a look at.

Brgds,
Ron

How do i add a photo Ron?

Please do not post binaries to this newsgroup. Use a provider of free webspace like flickr and post a link

Peter

Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution? thanks DW

You cannot get more clarity in the photo than is in the original. That is impossible. Doing so requires the use of magic.

FBt

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Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution? thanks DW

Excuse me, but all things are relative.

My first exhibition Print was accepted into a Salon in 1963. It is still in excellent condition, even if the mount Board is a little worn at the edges.

That is more than 30 years old.

Your problem is that you are working with a poor quality print, it was almost certainly poor quality when it was brand new, and if the processing quality was also poor, it will have got worse.

You know the Computer truism "Rubbish In – Rubbish Out". A lot of skillful drawing with brushes and the pencil tool might help a bit, BUT…………

Roy G

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Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?

Hi DW,

As Ron suggests, post the image to a free image host service like www.flickr.com or www.dgrin.com and post a link to it. Post a 100 percent crop of the face if you prefer not to post the entire image.

It will probably be possible to improve the image, within limits. Increasing saturation can improve the color, but it also tends to remove detail. I’d suggest converting to Lab mode and sharpening and/or curving the Lightness channel. If the image contains noise as well as detail, there are ways to remove the noise while increasing detail to improve things. —
Mike Russell – www.curvemeister.com

On 12 Jun, 16:54, "Mike Russell"
wrote:

wrote in message

Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?

Hi DW,

As Ron suggests, post the image to a free image host service likewww.flickr.comorwww.dgrin.comand post a link to it. Post a 100 percent
crop of the face if you prefer not to post the entire image.
It will probably be possible to improve the image, within limits. Increasing saturation can improve the color, but it also tends to remove detail. I’d suggest converting to Lab mode and sharpening and/or curving the Lightness channel. If the image contains noise as well as detail, there are ways to remove the noise while increasing detail to improve things. —
Mike Russell -www.curvemeister.com

Photo posted to: http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x152/dwdw1/sueanddavid.jp g

Thanks for all the help thus far – even the ‘magic’ jibe – although it’s not quite true that you can’t add detail that wasn’t in an original. One can extrapolate from what is there as to what probabaly was there – but anyway, i just want to try and improve it. cheers
DW

"dw" wrote in message

On 12 Jun, 16:54, "Mike Russell"
wrote:

wrote in message

Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?

Hi DW,

As Ron suggests, post the image to a free image host service likewww.flickr.comorwww.dgrin.comand post a link to it. Post a 100 percent
crop of the face if you prefer not to post the entire image.
It will probably be possible to improve the image, within limits. Increasing saturation can improve the color, but it also tends to remove detail. I’d suggest converting to Lab mode and sharpening and/or curving the Lightness channel. If the image contains noise as well as detail, there
are ways to remove the noise while increasing detail to improve things. —
Mike Russell -www.curvemeister.com

Photo posted to:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x152/dwdw1/sueanddavid.jp g
Thanks for all the help thus far – even the ‘magic’ jibe – although it’s not quite true that you can’t add detail that wasn’t in an original. One can extrapolate from what is there as to what probabaly was there – but anyway, i just want to try and improve it. cheers
DW

OK the problem here is that you are a newbie and this is a job for an advanced restoration artist
saturation will not sharpen or bring up the features, just muckup the colors as advised it may even require an artist to DRAW in some details we could give you advice but if you are not at least intermediate in PS tools and techniques I would not try

a free easy picture host is

http://xs.to

you can post picture files and get the links to them

then post the link to your shot here like this
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07235/Kat-BELt.png

binary groups do not allow attached images

From: "dw"

[re restoration of image]

Photo posted to:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x152/dwdw1/sueanddavid.jp g

Just a quick response after looking at the image. I’m guessing that this was scanned on a relatively inexpensive scanner, resulting in horizontal streaking that will be fairly challenging to remove. If the original is a slide, these can be a headache to scan without getting noise in the dark areas.

If you are in a position to do so, I think you’ll see significant improvement in the detail and overall smoothness of the image if you have the slide scanned at a local photo store. In my area Longs Drugs charges 29 cents per slide.

If I have time, I’ll try filtering out the lines and post the result. —
Mike Russell – www.curvemeister.com

The image has been poorly scanned – this needs to be worked on first.

Open the image in photoshop and duplicate the background layer and change the blend mode to multiply. Drop opacity a bit – this will add a bit of density

merge the two layers (background and multiply) and filter high pass with radius about 50 on the new merged layerand change blend mode to Overlay. this will help the face detail. you could try to adjust the opacity down a bit and having a mask to allow only the face pixels from this layer to be seen would probably be best.

Contrast ienhancement s what you need and that is what the above does.

Malcolm
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Hi I’m a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year , photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I’ve tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution? thanks DW

"Mike Russell" wrote in message

From: "dw"

[re restoration of image]

Photo posted to:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x152/dwdw1/sueanddavid.jp g

I’ve taken a crack at improving this image. Here’s the result. http://mike.russell-home.net/tmp/SueAndDavid/index.htm

I thought I’d see if the horizontal lines could be removed using FFT procedures – I think I did pretty well but I did lose some detail, so there’s room to do better. The rest of the work was color correction using Curvemeister, noise removal with NeatImage, and standard Photoshop tools.

As several people have said, there is more detail in the original print or slide than appears in the image. If possible, I think a great improvement would be achieved by rescanning with a different scanner. —
Mike Russell – www.curvemeister.com

Nice work Mike. Too bad there was so little info to work with – much of which was bad. I find this type of project mostly unrewarding. The sentimental value of an old print can be tremendous but rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity. I hope the OP is suitably impressed.

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.
I have emailed Mike peronally to thank him for his endeavours. I am appreciative and I don’t need reminding of the importance of good manners.
This was an old print, taken with a poor lens and reproduced badly! What on earth is wrong with hoping that thirty years later I can improve upon a bad starting point.
Anyway Mike, in public this time – thank you for all your efforts -I really do appreciate your work and your congeniality.
best wishes,
David

On 16 Jun, 12:37, "" wrote:

Nice work Mike. Too bad there was so little info to work with – much of which was bad. I find this type of project mostly unrewarding. The sentimental value of an old print can be tremendous but rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity. I hope the OP is suitably impressed.

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[re ron’s post]

of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

I’m confident he meant no offense by it, and would chalk this up to Intenert miscommunication.

….

Anyway Mike, in public this time – thank you for all your efforts -I really do appreciate your work and your congeniality.
best wishes,

You are most welcome.
—
Mike Russell – www.curvemeister.com

wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? […]

Permit a translation from this 7th grade drop-out.

"Appreciation of the original subject (sentimental value) survives regardless of the shortcomings of the photographic technique or technology when the photograph was made."

It was a benign statement. You might have degrees, but you may be crippled due to the weight of the chips on your shoulder.

The sentimental value of an old print can be tremendous but rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity.

Sorry

Thanks

On 17 Jun, 08:52, "" wrote:

Thanks

That’s better I understood that!

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:24:32 -0000, ""
wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

The problem with an education in Education is that few come out of it educated.

You should ask for a postage refund for your diplomas. I understand exactly what he said: the photograph doesn’t have to be accurate in detail to have value to you.

I have emailed Mike peronally to thank him for his endeavours.

There’s the value of a BA in English Lit; can’t spell and uses a pretentious synonym for "efforts".

I am
appreciative and I don’t need reminding of the importance of good manners.

Could have fooled me.

Just a simple B-major with an MBA…

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ‘ indistinct face’.

Dave

On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave wrote:

wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ‘ indistinct face’.
Dave

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:51 -0000, dw
wrote:

On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave wrote:

wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ‘ indistinct face’.
Dave

However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep!

cut

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

‘indistinct’ was what I said, and not ‘indistict’.
‘indistinct’ can be translated as confused or disorientated. I’m glad you wrote ‘attack’ in inverted commas, because this was not an attack.
More than once, I found it dangerous to make a joke in another language than my home language, not only because of possible misinterpretation, but also because of different senses of humor due to different cultures. I am still not sour, and can laugh. Read again what I said, check on the spelling, *check on the topic of your original letter*, read slòòòwly, and decide again whether it was an attack.

Dave

On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious, babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of old photos too – we all do. I recently took on a tremendously sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of time – and guess what – it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.

That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the future.

Brgds,
Ron

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:37:00 -0000, ""
wrote:

On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious, babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of old photos too – we all do. I recently took on a tremendously sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of time – and guess what – it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.
That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the future.

Brgds,
Ron

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict

face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

and my wit is definitely too sharp for him.
He spells like a dead sheep
and does not even realized that I simply copied his subject line.

Dave

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:51 -0000, dw
wrote:

On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave wrote:

wrote:

What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the ‘rarely does the sentiment lie in the fidelity’ mean? I have a degree in English literature and a masters in Education – still can’t follow this line of thought- this kind of ‘babblespeak’ infuriates me’. Say what you mean or don’t say it.

I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ‘ indistinct face’.
Dave

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.

Ahh, a porch dog comes down to debate word usage. "Endeavor" (AmE) is an effort; an attempt. But, an attempt with no assurance of success. You have endeavoured (BrE) to be clever, but nothing positive has come from it. Mike expended some effort in an endeavor to produce a more detailed image.

Let’s see…you were a Lit major, right? When Brontë wrote:

"I was growing very lenient to my master: I was forgetting all his faults, for which I had once kept a sharp look-out. It had formerly been my endeavour to study all sides of his character: to take the bad with the good; and from the just weighing of both, to form an equitable judgment. Now I saw no bad. The sarcasm that had repelled, the harshness that had startled me once, were only like keen condiments in a choice dish; their presence was pungent, but their absence would be felt as comparatively insipid."

was she implying a positive result from this assessment of Rochester?

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

The "indistinct face" is a placeholder. A figure, usually in art, that is not important enough to the scene to be a center of attention. Don’t they teach anything at university any more?

The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?

Because old Ron made a comment that was not directed at you, but an observation about the intrinsic value of an photograph whether that image be accurate or not.

However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.

Mike went in as a gentleman and emerged unchanged.

None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!

On y soit qui mal y pense!

You mean "Honi soit qui mal y pense"? If you actually understand the origin and meaning of that, you’d know that it applies to your judgement of Ron’s comment.

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:07:43 -0400, tony cooper
wrote:

Because old Ron made a comment that was not directed at you, but an observation about the intrinsic value of an photograph whether that image be accurate or not.

Should be "of an old photograph". Sloppiness is catching.

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages!

Sir, you should consider withdrawing while your losses are tolerable.

On 18 Jun, 22:50, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:37:00 -0000, ""

wrote:

On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious, babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of old photos too – we all do. I recently took on a tremendously sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of time – and guess what – it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.

That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the future.

Brgds,
Ron

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict

face – how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

and my wit is definitely too sharp for him.
He spells like a dead sheep
and does not even realized that I simply copied his subject line.
Dave- Hide quoted text –

– Show quoted text –

Your’e all a sensitive bunch of souls! Lighten up! So you’ve made fools of yourselves – but hey that happens. I’m a forgving guy – i thought at first that your posts were motivated by malice – but I’m beginning to see it’s more a case of social inappropriateness – a kind of group Aspergers. (Asperger’s syndrome that is).
The answer is to mix more, to get out, to try and make eye contact with people, find a social skills group nearby, that kind of thing. You can’t get rid of Aspergers but you can learn to adapt more with it. So best wishes to you all as I ride off into the sunset. Another diagnosis made, and another partial cure affected.
Vias con dios mi amigos!
ZZZZZZ

On 19 Jun, 09:07, dw wrote:

On 18 Jun, 22:50, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:37:00 -0000, ""

wrote:

On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face- how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious, babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of old photos too – we all do. I recently took on a tremendously sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of time – and guess what – it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.

That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the future.

Brgds,
Ron

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict

face- how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

and my wit is definitely too sharp for him.
He spells like a dead sheep
and does not even realized that I simply copied his subject line.

Dave- Hide quoted text –

– Show quoted text –

Your’e all a sensitive bunch of souls! Lighten up! So you’ve made fools of yourselves – but hey that happens. I’m a forgving guy – i thought at first that your posts were motivated by malice – but I’m beginning to see it’s more a case of social inappropriateness – a kind of group Aspergers. (Asperger’s syndrome that is).
The answer is to mix more, to get out, to try and make eye contact with people, find a social skills group nearby, that kind of thing. You can’t get rid of Aspergers but you can learn to adapt more with it. So best wishes to you all as I ride off into the sunset. Another diagnosis made, and another partial cure affected.
Vias con dios mi amigos!
ZZZZZZ- Hide quoted text –

– Show quoted text –

Im a Professor of Psychology living in Austria, so I suppose that overtakes DW and his lowly degree. However I can see soemthing of his argument regarding the Aspergers Syndrome. This syndrome is usually associated with the less severe Autistic Spectrum Disorders. Research has shown that sufferers, if that is correct term, often form links with others of similar thinkers. In 2004 results were released which showed a very high proportion of men who join railway enthusiasts clubs presented with clear symptoms of Asperger syndrome. Other groupings were men, it is ususally the man who suffers ,(ratio is approx 3 male to 1 female) who belonged to minority interest group such as car number plate , tag i think you call them in US, collectors, and men who collected military insignia.
I hope this post will show some light on the subject of social disorder illnesses.
Lazlo F

On 19 Jun, 11:32, ""
wrote:

On 19 Jun, 09:07, dw wrote:

On 18 Jun, 22:50, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:37:00 -0000, ""

wrote:

On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw wrote:

Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other ‘bretheren’ within the community spring to the attack.
However your ‘attack’ is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep! Tony of Forida thinks that the word ‘effort’ is synonymous with ‘endeavour’.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict face- how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn’t thought he could take his cheap shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute gentleman – he helped when asked. He didn’t try and score cheap points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!

So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious, babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of old photos too – we all do. I recently took on a tremendously sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of time – and guess what – it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.

That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the future.

Brgds,
Ron

and Dave, I’m afraid your wit is too sharp for me – I’m an indistict

face- how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?

and my wit is definitely too sharp for him.
He spells like a dead sheep
and does not even realized that I simply copied his subject line.

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Your’e all a sensitive bunch of souls! Lighten up! So you’ve made fools of yourselves – but hey that happens. I’m a forgving guy – i thought at first that your posts were motivated by malice – but I’m beginning to see it’s more a case of social inappropriateness – a kind of group Aspergers. (Asperger’s syndrome that is).
The answer is to mix more, to get out, to try and make eye contact with people, find a social skills group nearby, that kind of thing. You can’t get rid of Aspergers but you can learn to adapt more with it. So best wishes to you all as I ride off into the sunset. Another diagnosis made, and another partial cure affected.
Vias con dios mi amigos!
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Im a Professor of Psychology living in Austria, so I suppose that overtakes DW and his lowly degree. However I can see soemthing of his argument regarding the Aspergers Syndrome. This syndrome is usually associated with the less severe Autistic Spectrum Disorders. Research has shown that sufferers, if that is correct term, often form links with others of similar thinkers. In 2004 results were released which showed a very high proportion of men who join railway enthusiasts clubs presented with clear symptoms of Asperger syndrome. Other groupings were men, it is ususally the man who suffers ,(ratio is approx 3 male to 1 female) who belonged to minority interest group such as car number plate , tag i think you call them in US, collectors, and men who collected military insignia.
I hope this post will show some light on the subject of social disorder illnesses.
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Lazlo, Tony, and Dave, et al, are so sharp they may well cut themselves. it only seems to proove some wag’s quip of two nations separated by a common language. Though I’m not sure its healthy to display one’s qualifications or does it mean you are more important. Perhaps you should forget the Asbergers and concentrate on self esteem support groups. I hope my lack of education and poor spelling, will not preclude you from reading this blog, then again does it really matter…