Question about file size when saving JPEGs

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pixel_a_ted
Sep 14, 2007
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I am running PS 7 on a Mac, OS 10.4. To meet the size requirement for posting an image to a certain forum, the image must be less than 100 kByte in size. So I use Save As / JPEG and as I select Quality with Preview checked it apparently shows me the file size at the bottom of the window with an estimate of the time to transfer the file. But I find quite often that if I choose Quality to get the size below 100 kB, the image is actually saved at a larger size (as confirmed by using Get Info as well as the fact that the forum site often doesn’t accept the image). So I have a couple of questions.

1. What does the size estimate based on the Quality level actually mean and why is it apparently inaccurate?

2. When I instead use Save For Web, I usually get much smaller file sizes even when I choose fairly high quality settings. What is Save For Web doing differently from Save As / JPEG?

Thanks.

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C Wright
Sep 15, 2007
On 9/14/07 6:29 PM, in article
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I am running PS 7 on a Mac, OS 10.4. To meet the size requirement for posting an image to a certain forum, the image must be less than 100 kByte in size. So I use Save As / JPEG and as I select Quality with Preview checked it apparently shows me the file size at the bottom of the window with an estimate of the time to transfer the file. But I find quite often that if I choose Quality to get the size below 100 kB, the image is actually saved at a larger size (as confirmed by using Get Info as well as the fact that the forum site often doesn’t accept the image). So I have a couple of questions.

1. What does the size estimate based on the Quality level actually mean and why is it apparently inaccurate?

2. When I instead use Save For Web, I usually get much smaller file sizes even when I choose fairly high quality settings. What is Save For Web doing differently from Save As / JPEG?

Thanks.

Can’t really answer your first question since I don’t use PS7. The answer you your second question is that Save for the Web strips out the EXIF data so that the overall file size will be smaller than Save As / Jpeg.

While you don’t say, I do assume that you are down-sizing the pixel dimensions of your originals either at the same time or prior to saving as a Jpeg.
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pixel_a_ted
Sep 15, 2007
While you don’t say, I do assume that you are down-sizing the pixel dimensions of your originals either at the same time or prior to saving as a Jpeg.

Yes, the requirement is 800 pixels as the largest dimension.

Thanks.
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Bob Williams
Sep 15, 2007
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I am running PS 7 on a Mac, OS 10.4. To meet the size requirement for posting an image to a certain forum, the image must be less than 100 kByte in size. So I use Save As / JPEG and as I select Quality with Preview checked it apparently shows me the file size at the bottom of the window with an estimate of the time to transfer the file. But I find quite often that if I choose Quality to get the size below 100 kB, the image is actually saved at a larger size (as confirmed by using Get Info as well as the fact that the forum site often doesn’t accept the image). So I have a couple of questions.

1. What does the size estimate based on the Quality level actually mean and why is it apparently inaccurate?

2. When I instead use Save For Web, I usually get much smaller file sizes even when I choose fairly high quality settings. What is Save For Web doing differently from Save As / JPEG?

Thanks.
That’s an interesting observation.
I just created an image in PS 7 on a PC.
The image was 800 x 580 pixels, "Saved As"..at Quality 8 PS said the image was 92 KB.
I mailed it to myself via Seamonkey and it came in at 125KB. Very Perplexing.
Bob williams
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pixel_a_ted
Sep 15, 2007
That’s an interesting observation.
I just created an image in PS 7 on a PC.
The image was 800 x 580 pixels, "Saved As"..at Quality 8 PS said the image was 92 KB.
I mailed it to myself via Seamonkey and it came in at 125KB. Very Perplexing.
Bob williams

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
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Tacit
Sep 16, 2007
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1. What does the size estimate based on the Quality level actually mean and why is it apparently inaccurate?

The file size in Save As shows the size of the actual compressed JPEG data. By default, unless you explicitly instruct it not to (in the Preferences command), Photoshop includes other information in the file as well. This other information makes the file larger. The other information can, depending on on how you have your preferences set, include:

– Digital camera EXIF data
– A thumbnail of the image
– A full-size preview of the image
– A color profile
– An icon of the image
– Pen paths, if there are any

2. When I instead use Save For Web, I usually get much smaller file sizes even when I choose fairly high quality settings. What is Save For Web doing differently from Save As / JPEG?

When you use Save for Web, it strips out all extraneous information. Save for Web by default includes only the actual JPEG data. It removes EXIF data, previews, color profiles, and so on.


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pixel_a_ted
Sep 16, 2007
Thanks all. I guess that explains why the Save As / JPEG image seemed to have a minimum size that reducing the JPEG quality didn’t affect.
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Olivier Croquette
Sep 25, 2007
Bob Williams wrote, On 15/09/07 9:58:
PS said the image was 92 KB.
I mailed it to myself via Seamonkey and it came in at 125KB.

Is 125KB the reported size of the email or of the attached file?

The mail is very inefficient at sending binary files, and implies typically something like 25% overhead because of the base64 encoding.

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