Flikr – How to monitor el Condor’s photos?

On Nov 1, 12:53 pm, (Burt Johnson) wrote:

el Condor — I love the editing you did on my photo, and would love hearing the steps you did to make it.

I’d love to tag your photo page and be

notified when new images are added though.

I could have sworn that I saw that capability when browsing Flikr when I first set it up a couple weeks ago. Can’t find it now though… 🙁
Is there such a feature in Flickr, and do you know how to set it up?
—
– Burt Johnson

———————————————————— ——- Dear Burt,

You have really received years of "experience" in only one of "Granny’s" emails. I could not add anything to what he/she posted. There are also priceless tips & hints all free on this newsgroup from the other neat members like Mike Russell, Johan W. Elzenga, ronviers, Andrew Morton and lots of other folks I apologize for not mentioning. If you want to understand ‘curves’ in PhotoShop, there are hundreds of tutorials on the Web, but Mike Russell offers the Curvemiester classes and would be one of the most easily understood and gracious fellows operating on the internet ( not a relative, not a business partner, never met the man, but he is always a gentleman in his
posts…..).

You shoot in RAW, as you stated, and your gear is first rate, so as Granny said, you just need to keep taking photos & trying new techniques. I only discovered the HDR (high dynamic range) techniques less than a year ago, but I love bright vibrant colours and HDR lets one see almost all that the camera can capture but the human eye isn’t able to pull out of a "regular" photo. You can produce great HDR using the capabilities of PhotoShop ( I use CS2). There are lessons in the Help section of PS and good tutorials at the ADOBE site under HDR, plus dozens by GOOGLE ‘HDR’.

I tried PhotoMatix Pro (a French produced software programme) about six months ago and now use it almost exclusively for HDR post production. You can download a full version off the net from the factory web site, to see if you like it before buying. The trial version is a full programme, just it adds a logo watermark to your final product. It is very reasonably priced (I think I paid less than $90.00 Australian, and there are discounts for it available on a lot of websites). I have received the latest updated version free a few month ago (they notify you via email of any new versions) and it is easy to download, install and operate. The latest version upgrade was a good improvement and not just an extra bell/whistle.

I shoot mainly RAW with a FUJI since my NIKON just quit working last year. It doesn’t have the full auto bracketing feature but I shoot off a tripod sitting on a little 3 legged stool and can get 3-7 frames quick enough that clouds scudding across don’t seem to be a problem. There are great tutorials on HDR by the dozen on the Web and also included on the PhotoMatix website. The obvious cardinal rule is: adjust your exposure "brackets" using shutter speed & not aperture (to avoid focus / DOF problems). You can shoot great panoramas in HDR and stitch in PS or other good software.

I wouldn’t offer any framing or cropping advice as every one has different tastes along these lines. Look at the photos you think are great & try to analyze why you like it & what was done to make you like it.

I added a stock black frame to your lake photo, as like others who have posted regarding this, I think frames usually add to the picture & set them off. The plain olde black / gold text frame is simple to produce with any software, you can tint it as needed and still looks classy even though it is so simple.

I just downloaded your photo off your FLICKR page ( largest size available) and then just tweaked the shadow/high lights in PS to get it ready for PhotoMatix. I have done an "over" & "under" exposed copy of single RAW photos using PS in the past, before loading them into PhotoMatix, but have found that just loading the original photo usually achieves about the same quality result as making the extra two + & – exposure duplicates to load along with the original copy. These "psuedo HDR"s come out fairly well and are all you can produce if the subject in your photo is moving or changing, ie: too fast for bracketing.

You then tweak the photo using PhotoMatix to your own taste & save. The adjusting for one exposure "psuedo HDR" photos versus multiple bracketed "true HDR" photos is a lot different, so I saveurt & Margaret Hakl
Villa # the settings on most lighting conditions and then load one of these settings and it gives me a rough ball park setting to start off with. Saves a lot of time………..

After PhotoMatix converts to HDR, I do a bit of more post production in PS. Then you can crop, dodge, burn or manipulate to your hearts content. I have lots of my sky/clouds HDRs in a separate file and completely add a different sky if I want to. Purists frown on this, but all photographs have been manipulated in some way by the photographer or processor, so if I have a better sky available that adds to my photo, as long as I don’t rip off someone else’s work, I just change what I want. You can of course clone in clouds, clone them out, add a moon etc. I dodge & burn / add filter temps etc. to day time shots to make them appear to be night time and vice versa. Using HDR techniques produces the most dramatic sky & clouds I think possible. I have only captured one or two stormy sky’s in my life and with HDR almost every sky looks "Wow", at least to me. Not every ones taste, but that is photography…….

I didn’t add any "false" sky to your photo, just a light gradient fill and a little bit of photo filter colour to the sky only. I also burned a bit of the rock in the shadow areas and added a gradient fill blur to the foreground reflection using the ‘surface blur’ filter. Sharpen using ‘smart sharpen’ & I think that was about it after putting it in a black stock frame.

As far as FLICKR being able to email you updates, you click on the "contacts" tab while at your home page on FLICKR, that opens your "contacts" page & under the contact thumbnails will be a little "letter" icon with "get updates by email" typed next to the icon. Click on that & you can then request updates from any of your "contacts" when they upload new photos. Hope that is what you were asking.

As you can see from the HDR sets I uploaded to FLICKR, I love bright colour and saturation. Search for "HDR" in the FLICKR search engine and you will get thousands of other folks HDR efforts. For architecture, bridges & night time exposures, I think HDR is fantastic.

I am blessed now by being fully retired here in Australia. I have been using PhotoShop as an adjunct to my hobby photography since I was exposed to it 10+ years ago while still in the Queensland Police working as a Crime Scene Officer. I have been fortunate to attend a couple ADOBE sponsored training sessions paid for by the Police Service. I have bought several "Classroom in a Book" type training books etc, but I learned far more from the internet from newsgroups like this one and from the thousands of free tutorials available on line. I learn new things every single day from the Web and hope I have years more pleasure from my retirement now surfing all the tutorials on the Net………

If you can turn your hobby now into a business after all these years, good luck and if I can help you, let me know……

Curt Hakl
"el Condor loco" GRAPHIX
Townsville, Queensland – Australia
(born / raised South Dakota)

"el Condor loco" wrote in message

On Nov 1, 12:53 pm, (Burt Johnson) wrote:

el Condor — I love the editing you did on my photo, and would love hearing the steps you did to make it.

I’d love to tag your photo page and be

notified when new images are added though.

I could have sworn that I saw that capability when browsing Flikr when I first set it up a couple weeks ago. Can’t find it now though… 🙁
Is there such a feature in Flickr, and do you know how to set it up?
—
– Burt Johnson

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

Indeed, I only use Flickr as a place to put a few photos when I feel a need to show one here. Mind you some people like posting lots of photos there and putting them in lots of other groups so people make comments, thats their thing, good luck to them.

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think

they

are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr

in

over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

Indeed, the trouble starts when you get pre-madonnas who ‘think’ in their own mind that they are great, normally their photos are shit and they are complete assholes. No I don’t post on flickr….

"Pete D" wrote in message

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr

in

over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

Indeed, I only use Flickr as a place to put a few photos when I feel a

need

to show one here. Mind you some people like posting lots of photos there

and

putting them in lots of other groups so people make comments, thats their thing, good luck to them.

So why do you want comments from people who probably ‘think’ they know better. Its akin to my bad dancing, why would I take advice or comments from someone who is equally as bad or even worse than I am. I’d be better of showing someone who knows nothing for a true judgement. Flickr is full of false information as much as it is "my photos are better than yours" brigade. The only people who fill the void are people who know nothing about the subject and how many of these are flickr subscribers? Hardly any I expect. My advise for any photographer albeit novice through to pro is to avoid all internet forums or image sharing sites, the comments you recieve back will either be so nit-picky from complete no-ones and big-headed novices or people telling you your photo is brilliant, when in fact it is complete tripe. It is a lose, lose situation unfortunately. If you want to truely impress people, lay on an exhibition or look for a proper outlet.

el Condor loco wrote:

If you want to understand ‘curves’ in PhotoShop, there are hundreds of tutorials on the Web, but Mike Russell offers the Curvemiester classes and would be one of the most easily understood and gracious fellows operating on the internet

Just found it and bookmarked it. I think I understand curves from a technical point of view, but still don’t really have a good gut feel of what will happen when I tweak them. The images on his tutorial page look useful in helping overcome that.

You can produce great HDR
using the capabilities of PhotoShop ( I use CS2). There are lessons in the Help section of PS and good tutorials at the ADOBE site under HDR, plus dozens by GOOGLE ‘HDR’.

I have produced some myself (using CS3). As I think I mentioned elsewhere, they are technically OK, but boring. I’ve only tried a half dozen of them, so I figure the right subject will present itself eventually. My initial shots were mostly to confirm that I understood the mechanics, so that I could capture it properly when the right subject presented itself.

I’m curious how many images you typically shoot, and how wide a bracketing. I’ve tried 3 and 5 thus far, separated by 1 stop. It kinda looke to me like I could skip the mid ones and just show 3, with -2, 0, +2 stops. Wondering if I will be sorry if I do that though.

I tried PhotoMatix Pro

I have the Photoshop Creative Suite CS3 Premium package, so haven’t looked further. Since I teach programming part time, I was able to buy the Student version at half price. (The downside being that it cannot be upgraded later)

The obvious cardinal rule is:
adjust your exposure "brackets" using shutter speed & not aperture (to avoid focus / DOF problems).

Yep. Understood. Way back in the 70’s, I used to shoot medium format B&W film and was a strong following of the Ansel Adams zone system. Though I have probably forgotten more than I remember of it, I do have a good technical understanding of the process. My limitations are mostly with the ‘art’ aspects.

I added a stock black frame to your lake photo, as like others who have posted regarding this, I think frames usually add to the picture & set them off. The plain olde black / gold text frame is simple to produce with any software, you can tint it as needed and still looks classy even though it is so simple.

I usually add a frame when using photos in newsletters, or even posting on my office wall. I guess I was thinking they were a crutch though, so didn’t add one here. Your point is well taken — it is the overall image that counts, and the frame is part of that image.

I have done an "over" & "under" exposed copy of single RAW photos using PS in the past, before loading them into PhotoMatix, but have found that just loading the original photo usually achieves about the same quality result as making the extra two + & – exposure duplicates to load along with the original copy.

That’s amazing! I never would have guessed that.

You then tweak the photo using PhotoMatix to your own taste & save.

hmmm…. the site IS interesting, and I see they have both Mac and Windoze versions (I am on a Mac). I may give it a try.

I have lots of my sky/clouds HDRs in a separate file and completely add a different sky if I want to. Purists frown on this,

I have about 20 cloud shots that are stored away for this use too. In this particular photo, it seemed to be beyond my Photoshop skill to put clouds in the sky and then get them to reflect properly in the water, merged with the existing tufa reflections. Thus, though I felt the sky was boring, I thought it was better than any hack job I could have done in Photoshop.

I didn’t add any "false" sky to your photo, just a light gradient fill and a little bit of photo filter colour to the sky only. I also burned a bit of the rock in the shadow areas and added a gradient fill blur to the foreground reflection using the ‘surface blur’ filter. Sharpen using ‘smart sharpen’ & I think that was about it after putting it in a black stock frame.

I’m going to go back and see if I can approximate your results, as a way to learn the techniques you describe.

As far as FLICKR being able to email you updates, you click on the "contacts" tab while at your home page on FLICKR, that opens your "contacts" page & under the contact thumbnails will be a little "letter" icon with "get updates by email" typed next to the icon. Click on that & you can then request updates from any of your "contacts" when they upload new photos. Hope that is what you were asking.

That is what I was asking, but I must be blind…

I go to "Your Contacts" page and see "Recent", "Friends & Family",
"Family", "Friends" and "Contacts." The first several categories have
my friends and family, as expected. The last group is blank, and is where I would want to add ‘el condor loco’.

I don’t see any button to add that name though? I see no buttons other than those in the bottom matrix of Activity, You, Explore and Help.

I have bought several "Classroom in a Book" type training books etc, but I learned far more from the internet from newsgroups like this one and from the thousands of free tutorials available on line.

Same here. I have spent the last couple months going through lots of online tutorials, watching the Russel Brown video podcasts, the Photoshop User video podcasts, etc.

If you can turn your hobby now into a business after all these years, good luck and if I can help you, let me know……

Actually, one of the agreements with my wife before I went into this is that I would NOT turn it into a business. She thought that would be cool, but I said it would ruin the fun, and I didn’t even want to start if she was thinking that way.

I thought video production was fun, and made a business of it. After 4 years and 65 videos (52 of which we sell to the public yet today), I was sick of it and don’t like picking up a video camera anymore. I am looking for something to enjoy after I retire with no pressure, other than myself trying to get that "perfect shot" that will wow family and friends. 🙂

—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

"The One" wrote in message

"Pete D" wrote in message

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr

in

over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

Indeed, I only use Flickr as a place to put a few photos when I feel a

need

to show one here. Mind you some people like posting lots of photos there

and

putting them in lots of other groups so people make comments, thats their thing, good luck to them.

So why do you want comments from people who probably ‘think’ they know better. Its akin to my bad dancing, why would I take advice or comments from
someone who is equally as bad or even worse than I am. I’d be better of showing someone who knows nothing for a true judgement. Flickr is full of false information as much as it is "my photos are better than yours" brigade. The only people who fill the void are people who know nothing about
the subject and how many of these are flickr subscribers? Hardly any I expect. My advise for any photographer albeit novice through to pro is to avoid all internet forums or image sharing sites, the comments you recieve back will either be so nit-picky from complete no-ones and big-headed novices or people telling you your photo is brilliant, when in fact it is complete tripe. It is a lose, lose situation unfortunately. If you want to truely impress people, lay on an exhibition or look for a proper outlet.

Mmmm, you missed what I said completely.

Oh well.

"Pete D" wrote in message

"The One" wrote in message

"Pete D" wrote in message

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who

think

they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on

flickr

in

over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing

their

images to buy a domain.

Indeed, I only use Flickr as a place to put a few photos when I feel a

need

to show one here. Mind you some people like posting lots of photos

there

and

putting them in lots of other groups so people make comments, thats

their

thing, good luck to them.

So why do you want comments from people who probably ‘think’ they know better. Its akin to my bad dancing, why would I take advice or comments from
someone who is equally as bad or even worse than I am. I’d be better of showing someone who knows nothing for a true judgement. Flickr is full

of

false information as much as it is "my photos are better than yours" brigade. The only people who fill the void are people who know nothing about
the subject and how many of these are flickr subscribers? Hardly any I expect. My advise for any photographer albeit novice through to pro is

to

avoid all internet forums or image sharing sites, the comments you

recieve

back will either be so nit-picky from complete no-ones and big-headed novices or people telling you your photo is brilliant, when in fact it

is

complete tripe. It is a lose, lose situation unfortunately. If you want

to

truely impress people, lay on an exhibition or look for a proper outlet.

Mmmm, you missed what I said completely.

Oh well.

Yep but it isn’t really what you said it is. People out there think they can make a name of themselves on flickr, in reality no-one on their wants to see other people doing that. Instead what you get is dog eat dog backstabbing and bickering, the photos come second….

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"el Condor loco" wrote in message

On Nov 1, 12:53 pm, (Burt Johnson) wrote:

el Condor — I love the editing you did on my photo, and would love hearing the steps you did to make it.

I’d love to tag your photo page and be

notified when new images are added though.

I could have sworn that I saw that capability when browsing Flikr when I
first set it up a couple weeks ago. Can’t find it now though… 🙁
Is there such a feature in Flickr, and do you know how to set it up?
—
– Burt Johnson

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

then you haven;t looked around much
I saw lots of very interesting groups and some pros some good critiques there
it is like a sale in a big department store
you may have to look past all the crappy family snaps first I think a lot of Flickr users are just storing images and not editing the work well as galleries or webpage

and my page is better than decent and so is Sam’s
where’s your brilliant work Mr. critic?

then you haven;t looked around much
I saw lots of very interesting groups and some pros some good critiques there
it is like a sale in a big department store
you may have to look past all the crappy family snaps first I think a lot of Flickr users are just storing images and not editing the work well as galleries or webpage

and my page is better than decent and so is Sam’s
where’s your brilliant work Mr. critic?

Like I said no gems in 2 years. The standards are dropping.

Again the trouble is that people (like you) are too quick to promote and defend crap work, instead of building a portfolio first which is tip top then going for it, this of course takes years and I doubt you have the patience’s or the determination. Flickr is full of average to poor armatures nothing more.

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

That’s a comment that’s sure to generate some comments.

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

That’s a comment that’s sure to generate some comments.

I like building and repairing electric motors.
I’m yet to see a single usable image of an armature on Flickr. Where are they?

🙁

—
Jeff R.

In article , tony cooper
says…

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

That’s a comment that’s sure to generate some comments.

It’s not his first brush with controversy.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:56:59 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article , tony cooper
says…

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

That’s a comment that’s sure to generate some comments.

It’s not his first brush with controversy.

Is he a dynamo in posting controversial comments?

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

armatures

—————————————-
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
—————————————-
—
PeteCresswell

tony cooper wrote:

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.

Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.

—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

Is he a dynamo in posting controversial comments?
Tony Cooper

Naw, he/she is just an Asshole who doesn’t know the difference between an amateur and an armature.. But is definitely immature.. How the hell could he/she tell the difference between a good or bad photograph, snapshot, or an artistic interpretation.. Maybe he/she should spend more time doing his/her homework from school, instead of lurking in the NGs —
"Granny"

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:56:40 -0500, maya wrote:

tony cooper wrote:

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing their images to buy a domain.

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

You have your resume linked to your website, and your experience is in graphic design, web design, and desktop publishing. That takes you out of the "amateur" category even if you do not sell your photographic output. It’s the website of a professional and would be out-of-place on a free hosting site.

—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

In message <gp2Xi.47981$>, KatWoman
writes

"The One" wrote in message

"el Condor loco" wrote in message

On Nov 1, 12:53 pm, (Burt Johnson) wrote:

el Condor — I love the editing you did on my photo, and would love hearing the steps you did to make it.

I’d love to tag your photo page and be

notified when new images are added though.

I could have sworn that I saw that capability when browsing Flikr when I
first set it up a couple weeks ago. Can’t find it now though… 🙁
Is there such a feature in Flickr, and do you know how to set it up?
—
– Burt Johnson

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who think they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on flickr in over 2 years.

then you haven;t looked around much
I saw lots of very interesting groups and some pros some good critiques there
it is like a sale in a big department store
you may have to look past all the crappy family snaps first I think a lot of Flickr users are just storing images and not editing the work well as galleries or webpage

and my page is better than decent and so is Sam’s
where’s your brilliant work Mr. critic?

The "Minus" One is high on criticism of everyone because he is so good he does not have to prove anything to anyone. You know the type ? the Internet is full of them.

No matter how much you can show The [Minus] One it is all shit and you know nothing but The [Minus] One will never post any images. That will destroy the myth… besides you are not worthy….. 🙂

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Burt Johnson wrote:

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.

you mean thumbnails? yes, that’s "in the works…" will be more or less like this.. www.francesdelrio.com/india/strip/photos.jsp

🙂 thank you…

Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.

maya wrote:

Burt Johnson wrote:

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.

you mean thumbnails? yes, that’s "in the works…" will be more or less like this.. www.francesdelrio.com/india/strip/photos.jsp
🙂 thank you…

Your India link from the blog is broken:
http://www.francesdelrio.com/india/taj1/photos.jsp
but the one above works… I like the blog shots! For the India shots it would be nice to have a select group of favorites above the full sets.

Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.

Paul Furman wrote:

maya wrote:

Burt Johnson wrote:

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur,
have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.

you mean thumbnails? yes, that’s "in the works…" will be more or less like this.. www.francesdelrio.com/india/strip/photos.jsp
🙂 thank you…

Your India link from the blog is broken:
http://www.francesdelrio.com/india/taj1/photos.jsp
but the one above works… I like the blog shots! For the India shots it would be nice to have a select group of favorites above the full sets.

Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.

"select group of favorites.." 🙂 that assumes I have a lot of visitors! (but I don’t really, this is just personal stuff that I share with f&f;) do you mean favorites for individual photos or for entire pages? (just the other day I added functionality that now have urls to individual photos, for example,
www.francesdelrio.com/india/jaipur5/photos.jsp?pn=8)

(oooopsss.. that link was broken b/c I’ve been working on it this afternoon.. should be working now…:)
thank you..

"granny" wrote in message

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:05:56 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

Is he a dynamo in posting controversial comments?
Tony Cooper

Naw, he/she is just an Asshole who doesn’t know the difference between an amateur and an armature.. But is definitely immature.. How the hell could he/she tell the difference between a good or bad photograph, snapshot, or an artistic interpretation.. Maybe he/she should spend more time doing his/her homework from school, instead of lurking in the NGs —
"Granny"

thanks granny saved me some typing

"The One" wrote in message

then you haven;t looked around much
I saw lots of very interesting groups and some pros some good critiques there
it is like a sale in a big department store
you may have to look past all the crappy family snaps first I think a lot of Flickr users are just storing images and not editing the work well as galleries or webpage

and my page is better than decent and so is Sam’s
where’s your brilliant work Mr. critic?

Like I said no gems in 2 years. The standards are dropping.
Again the trouble is that people (like you) are too quick to promote and defend crap work, instead of building a portfolio first which is tip top then going for it, this of course takes years and I doubt you have the patience’s or the determination. Flickr is full of average to poor armatures
nothing more.

so you’ve seen my page and judge it crap??
and still no work from you??
where is your gallery?

"Burt Johnson" wrote in message

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.
Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.
—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

yeah I have a couple pro websites I do not post here due to the trolls I use flickr only for this forum
on it I have stuff we discussed here
not my real life presentation, name or phone etc for the obvious reasons

maya wrote:

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.

you mean thumbnails? yes, that’s "in the works…" will be more or less like this.. www.francesdelrio.com/india/strip/photos.jsp

That is an improvement. I would still recoomend a grid though, that allows the visitor to see maybe 20 or more images at a glance, and then home in on the one or two that interests him.

In fact, I think a good interface would be a resizable grid, where the user can specify how many images per grid. Under each image, have a checkbox. Let the user check as many as he wants, then click a "show larger image" button, and have the interface you show here with just those images.

That way, you may publish 100 photos, 10 of which interest me. With the above described interface, I could choose those 10, and then see just them in the list you have on this "strip" page.

—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

maya wrote:

Paul Furman wrote:

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur,
have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos
last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

I like the blog shots! For the India shots
it would be nice to have a select group of favorites above the full sets.

"select group of favorites.." 🙂 that assumes I have a lot of visitors! (but I don’t really, this is just personal stuff that I share with f&f;) do you mean favorites for individual photos or for entire pages?

I’m thinking when a visitor enters the India gallery, they see a dozen of the best photos that you choose. Same for each region. I have a web page too & do something like that: http://edgehill.net it’s a php based gallery that uses little text files as shortcuts to favorite shots so I can copy those around… not as advanced as a database but pretty foolproof. So for each shoot, if it’s more than a few shots, I put the full set in a subfolder and you reach that by first entering the upper level with usually no more than a dozen select shots. Then I copy one of a few of those to my ‘blog’ section for a weekly update http://edgehill.net/gallery/photo-update & link back to the full set from there.

(just the other day I added functionality that now have urls to individual photos, for example,
www.francesdelrio.com/india/jaipur5/photos.jsp?pn=8)

Nice.

"The One" wrote in message

"Pete D" wrote in message

"The One" wrote in message

"Pete D" wrote in message

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:03 -0000, "The One" wrote:

Flickr is the biggest piece of shit about. Its full of idiots who

think

they
are better than everyone else. I havent seen a decent picture on

flickr

in

over 2 years.

Flickr is an image host. Flickr doesn’t host good pictures or bad pictures; they host whatever the subscriber uploads.

You will see more "bad" pictures on free image hosting services because amateur photographers tend to use free services and pro photographers tend to have their own domains. There are very, very good amateurs, though. Not all are interested enough in sharing

their

images to buy a domain.

Indeed, I only use Flickr as a place to put a few photos when I feel a

need

to show one here. Mind you some people like posting lots of photos

there

and

putting them in lots of other groups so people make comments, thats

their

thing, good luck to them.

So why do you want comments from people who probably ‘think’ they know better. Its akin to my bad dancing, why would I take advice or comments from
someone who is equally as bad or even worse than I am. I’d be better of showing someone who knows nothing for a true judgement. Flickr is full

of

false information as much as it is "my photos are better than yours" brigade. The only people who fill the void are people who know nothing about
the subject and how many of these are flickr subscribers? Hardly any I expect. My advise for any photographer albeit novice through to pro is

to

avoid all internet forums or image sharing sites, the comments you

recieve

back will either be so nit-picky from complete no-ones and big-headed novices or people telling you your photo is brilliant, when in fact it

is

complete tripe. It is a lose, lose situation unfortunately. If you want

to

truely impress people, lay on an exhibition or look for a proper outlet.

Mmmm, you missed what I said completely.

Oh well.

Yep but it isn’t really what you said it is. People out there think they can
make a name of themselves on flickr, in reality no-one on their wants to see
other people doing that. Instead what you get is dog eat dog backstabbing and bickering, the photos come second….

Not at all, all I use Flickr for is to temorarily hold some of my pictures, that is all and nothing more. I have no need to post thousands of photos and then forward them to hundreds of groups for comments, no attraction there for me at all. The basic account works really well for that, I just clear it out every now and then when it gets up to 30-40 photos.

Cheers.

Pete

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Burt Johnson" wrote in message

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur, have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.
Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.
—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

yeah I have a couple pro websites I do not post here due to the trolls I use flickr only for this forum
on it I have stuff we discussed here
not my real life presentation, name or phone etc for the obvious reasons

And yet you demand others post their "great" stuff. Damn thats harsh.

"Pete D" wrote in message

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Burt Johnson" wrote in message

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur,
have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.
Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.
—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

yeah I have a couple pro websites I do not post here due to the trolls I use flickr only for this forum
on it I have stuff we discussed here
not my real life presentation, name or phone etc for the obvious reasons

And yet you demand others post their "great" stuff. Damn thats harsh.

no I took the time to make a page under a pseudonym specifically for this group
and share my 10 plus years experience in retouching
for free on my time to and help noobs. buffoons and the ungrateful and those who will not listen
and correct bad advice FOR FREE
and kindly and politely listen to crap from the rude as yourself that is GENEROUS

ALSO as I have REAL LIFE ADVERTISING campaigns I work on that may not publish for another 6 months to 2 years while they work on them I CANNOT post and share much of my work
I do not have enough insurance to cover getting sued for someone internet stealer of images

the people at flikr are nicer and more respectful than the imbeciles on this NG by far!!!
(except the Arab pervs who troll for jerkoff shots)

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Pete D" wrote in message

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Burt Johnson" wrote in message

maya wrote:

hmmm… interesting….. I’m not a professional, but a serious amateur,
have had my own domain for about eight years, started posting my photos
last year… www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/… hope you enjoy…:)

My one comment on your site is that it is too hard to see your photos. It would be better (in my opinion) if you provided a grid option. Then I could scan your images, and look more closely at those of interest.
Your scan through images is fine btw. Just give a way for people to quickly see a batch of them.

I have had my own web site since 1995. I was thinking a couple months ago that I would add a tab for photos, but I guess I don’t see the point
now. I will just use Flickr and point people there instead.
—
– Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

yeah I have a couple pro websites I do not post here due to the trolls I use flickr only for this forum
on it I have stuff we discussed here
not my real life presentation, name or phone etc for the obvious reasons

And yet you demand others post their "great" stuff. Damn thats harsh.

no I took the time to make a page under a pseudonym specifically for this group
and share my 10 plus years experience in retouching
for free on my time to and help noobs. buffoons and the ungrateful and those who will not listen
and correct bad advice FOR FREE
and kindly and politely listen to crap from the rude as yourself that is GENEROUS

ALSO as I have REAL LIFE ADVERTISING campaigns I work on that may not publish for another 6 months to 2 years while they work on them I CANNOT post and share much of my work
I do not have enough insurance to cover getting sued for someone internet stealer of images

the people at flikr are nicer and more respectful than the imbeciles on this NG by far!!!
(except the Arab pervs who troll for jerkoff shots)

Something I posted about critizing others work probably also applies here.

"Actually one does not follow the other here. Just a like a football coach does not have to be an expert player he just has to be able to see what others need to be able to do and be able to tell them that info, art coaches are no different. I am not saying that what he may have said was good or bad advice I am just saying that you do not need to be able to take the worlds best photos to be able to see that a photo may not be that good or in your own opinion it is not something that you like.

Equally those that post in newsgroups (what were they thinking) must realise that they are soliciting comment and will need to have their own idiot filter, I would also expect them to be somewhat thick skinned becasue posting in an unmoderated public forum is bound to attract comment that may not all be glowing praise, why would you expect anything less?

Generally speaking I choose not to post to many pictures here but post quite freely on forums where people still tell me what they like and what they do not, even there I am likely to get comments about the frame I used.

Get over it and get out and shoot for yourself."

Cheers.

Pete

You still demand to see "galleries" from others! Harsh!

"so you’ve seen my page and judge it crap??
and still no work from you??
where is your gallery? "

The "Minus" One is high on criticism of everyone because he is so good he does not have to prove anything to anyone. You know the type ? the Internet is full of them.

No matter how much you can show The [Minus] One it is all shit and you know nothing but The [Minus] One will never post any images. That will destroy the myth… besides you are not worthy….. 🙂

I wouldn’t want to take your breath away, none of you deserve it…

"The One" wrote in message

The "Minus" One is high on criticism of everyone because he is so good he does not have to prove anything to anyone. You know the type ? the Internet is full of them.

No matter how much you can show The [Minus] One it is all shit and you know nothing but The [Minus] One will never post any images. That will destroy the myth… besides you are not worthy….. 🙂

I wouldn’t want to take your breath away, none of you deserve it…

Are you already an oxygen thief?