Batch auto-crop utility

On Nov 13, 2:21 pm, wrote:

I recently downloaded a trial of Photoshop CS3, and particularly liked the ability to auto-crop and straighten through a batch job, in order to automate this function on hundreds of scanned photos.
Does anyone know if there is a less expensive (freeware / shareware) alternative? I am hoping not to have to buy Photoshop CS3 just for this one function.

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.
Thanks!

Don’t be crazy, you’re processing hundreds of scanned photos, you just can’t go wrong owning PS.

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I recently downloaded a trial of Photoshop CS3, and particularly liked the ability to auto-crop and straighten through a batch job, in order to automate this function on hundreds of scanned photos.
Does anyone know if there is a less expensive (freeware / shareware) alternative? I am hoping not to have to buy Photoshop CS3 just for this one function.

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.
Thanks!

Stop looking because there is none program that smart to know what and where you want to crop. For example, even human wouldn’t know what other wants, or if I give you 100 photos then you may not know what I want you to crop.

On Nov 13, 3:20 pm, Joe wrote:

wrote:

I recently downloaded a trial of Photoshop CS3, and particularly liked the ability to auto-crop and straighten through a batch job, in order to automate this function on hundreds of scanned photos.

Does anyone know if there is a less expensive (freeware / shareware) alternative? I am hoping not to have to buy Photoshop CS3 just for this one function.

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

Thanks!

Stop looking because there is none program that smart to know what and where you want to crop. For example, even human wouldn’t know what other wants, or if I give you 100 photos then you may not know what I want you to crop.

Hi Joe,
Trimming is important and is something that could be automated – CS2 is lacking in that area. I take it from the OP’s post that CS3 has better trimming capabilities.

On Nov 13, 12:59 pm, "" wrote:

On Nov 13, 2:21 pm, wrote:

I recently downloaded a trial of Photoshop CS3, and particularly liked the ability to auto-crop and straighten through a batch job, in order to automate this function on hundreds of scanned photos.

Does anyone know if there is a less expensive (freeware / shareware) alternative? I am hoping not to have to buy Photoshop CS3 just for this one function.

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

Thanks!

Don’t be crazy, you’re processing hundreds of scanned photos, you just can’t go wrong owning PS.

Photoshop Rocks especially CS3 extended. In the long run you will be thankful.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:20:39 -0600, Joe wrote:

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Stop looking because there is none program that smart to know what and where you want to crop. For example, even human wouldn’t know what other wants, or if I give you 100 photos then you may not know what I want you to crop.

The original poster has been very specific about the job, and if the scanned photos are on a background of a specific color I think the job is very very doable.

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800, wrote:

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

Could you post some example scans?

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

"" wrote:

On Nov 13, 3:20 pm, Joe wrote:

wrote:

I recently downloaded a trial of Photoshop CS3, and particularly liked the ability to auto-crop and straighten through a batch job, in order to automate this function on hundreds of scanned photos.

Does anyone know if there is a less expensive (freeware / shareware) alternative? I am hoping not to have to buy Photoshop CS3 just for this one function.

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

Thanks!

Stop looking because there is none program that smart to know what and where you want to crop. For example, even human wouldn’t know what other wants, or if I give you 100 photos then you may not know what I want you to crop.

Hi Joe,
Trimming is important and is something that could be automated – CS2 is lacking in that area. I take it from the OP’s post that CS3 has better trimming capabilities.

I know Photoshop can do batch converting, action can do batch croping or adjusting etc.. but it has its limitation. Or it won’t be able to detect and crop out the white area, and yes, I know CS2 (and possible CS3) has option not only can separate individual image from single canvas, but it can straighten them too. But it just can’t do everything 100% automatically.

Me, I have CS3 installed on my system for months now, but my health isn’t very good so I haven’t had much chance to explore the CS3 like I would like to.

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:20:39 -0600, Joe wrote:

wrote:
Stop looking because there is none program that smart to know what and where you want to crop. For example, even human wouldn’t know what other wants, or if I give you 100 photos then you may not know what I want you to crop.

The original poster has been very specific about the job, and if the scanned photos are on a background of a specific color I think the job is very very doable.

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800, wrote:

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

Could you post some example scans?

Well, I think you just use you very own photos, then add WHITE boarder around the photos, tilting the photos to have different size, shape etc.. then you have the sample to try.

"Joe" wrote in message

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

Joe – it’s not the same as the Trim option. It’s under Automate. Yes, it works on white.

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

Joe – it’s not the same as the Trim option. It’s under Automate. Yes, it works on white.

Then give the OP all steps instruction. Me? I just can’t see the picture how it can do automatically.

The only thing I can accept when I read the expression of a super RAW worshipper who claimed RAW is much faster than JPG because it does every 100% automcatically, and he claimed to be a photographer with many years with Photoshop too <bg>

He (and quite afew too) said something like, with RAW he just shoot hundreds or thousands of photos, then let RAW converts to JPG automatically then he has the perfect JPGs from RAW files <bg>. Or this even I won’t touch but I can buy this because it does the converting, but I just can’t buy the quest of the OP.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

I’ll do it, but not for free!

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:15:56 -0600, Joe wrote:

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

Joe – it’s not the same as the Trim option. It’s under Automate. Yes, it works on white.

Then give the OP all steps instruction. Me? I just can’t see the picture how it can do automatically.

As I said it may well be impossible without a specific plugin for PS or a standalone program. But it is exactly the sort of job that computers are designed for. i.e. very well defined.

1) Do a scan and extract the edges of the image. The four large outer edges of the photo border on the background
(of the scanner top?) will be easy to extract.

2) Measure the angle of the four borders, take an average and you will get the angle of the photo. (adjust for
+-90 degrees left and right borders)

3) Rotate the image by that amount.

4) Crop to the rotated edges.

5) Do a second scan to find out where the borders of the photo end and the real photo starts.

6) Crop to those edges.

The only problem I can see is if the photo is mostly
white at the edges and so the border is not visible.
But then, if the border is not visible what sort of
border is it.

I guarantee that this is all doable automatically
with a program.

But I’m not going to do it gratis!

😉

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:15:56 -0600, Joe wrote:

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

Joe – it’s not the same as the Trim option. It’s under Automate. Yes, it works on white.

Then give the OP all steps instruction. Me? I just can’t see the picture how it can do automatically.

As I said it may well be impossible without a specific plugin for PS or a standalone program. But it is exactly the sort of job that computers are designed for. i.e. very well defined.

As I said but some disagrees, because there is no one_size_fit_all solution, especially for one who is not only don’t know anything about the program, but lazy enough to request the laziest way. Life just won’t work the way we want

1) Do a scan and extract the edges of the image. The four large outer edges of the photo border on the background
(of the scanner top?) will be easy to extract.

Many newer scanners (even my 5-6+ years old does) can auto-detect the edges (corners) of photo.

And at least CS2 has a similar option too, and it may work with most but not all photos.

2) Measure the angle of the four borders, take an average and you will get the angle of the photo. (adjust for
+-90 degrees left and right borders)

Are we still talking about 100% automatically here? Just don’t forget that the OP asks to have everything done automatically.

3) Rotate the image by that amount.

No! you do not really to go this far. Photoshop CS2 has the option

4) Crop to the rotated edges.

5) Do a second scan to find out where the borders of the photo end and the real photo starts.

6) Crop to those edges.

Now give me the step instruction to "rotate" and "crop" these photos

4×6"
5×7"
8×10"
10×20"

The only problem I can see is if the photo is mostly
white at the edges and so the border is not visible.
But then, if the border is not visible what sort of
border is it.

The only problem I can see that there should be no util can do all dirty job. Yes, even Photoshop has option to auto separate images from single photo to multiple canvas, it can auto-straighten the image etc.. but it just can do all steps 100% automatically.

And CROPPING is one of the tricky one. No I am not talking about just chop off some part of the larger image to make it smaller, because cropping is more than that.

I guarantee that this is all doable automatically
with a program.

When we see more unemployees on street then we will know the util is available <bg>

But I’m not going to do it gratis!

😉

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

I’ll do it, but not for free!

Then make a deal with the OP which seems like s/he is dead now <bg>

On Nov 14, 10:07 am, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

I’ll do it, but not for free!

Then make a deal with the OP which seems like s/he is dead now <bg>

OK, you guys are going way off on a bunch of tangents (which I guess is pretty normal in newsgroups). I already know for a fact that Photoshop CS3 will do this for me. I have tried it, and it works well, so there is no need to belabour that point. It may not be 100% perfect – occasionally an image gets misinterpreted and mis-cropped, but at least 99% of the time it works great – this will save me a lot of time, even if I have to manually crop the occasional image.

What I am trying to do is have a very streamlined process for scanning in hundreds of photos (prints) at a time from my scanner. After scanning, I want to be able to auto-crop and straighten each picture. I know, my scanner can do a pre-scan to figure out the area to be scanned, but that at least doubles the amount of time to scan in the photos.

Regarding a sample image, take any random printed photo of your own, and scan it in on a scanner, leaving the scanned area a bit larger than the original photo. You’ll have white space on the resulting JPG, which needs to be trimmed. For good measure, place the photo slightly crooked.

My real question is simple – do I need to buy Photoshop CS3, or is there a less expensive alternative. I am trying to minimize my cost. I know CS3 is awesome, but I can’t justify spending $600+ for this one feature.

Thanks!

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:06:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

2) Measure the angle of the four borders, take an average and you will get the angle of the photo. (adjust for
+-90 degrees left and right borders)

Are we still talking about 100% automatically here?

Yes, I shuold have said "program measures"

3) Rotate the image by that amount.

No! you do not really to go this far. Photoshop CS2 has the option

But the OP wants everything automatically. Not a bit in one program and a bit in another.

4) Crop to the rotated edges.

5) Do a second scan to find out where the borders of the photo end and the real photo starts.

6) Crop to those edges.

Now give me the step instruction to "rotate" and "crop" these photos 4×6"
5×7"
8×10"
10×20"

The size does not matter. The program analyses the field of pixels, it does not even need to know the physical size.

The only problem I can see that there should be no util can do all dirty job. Yes, even Photoshop has option to auto separate images from single photo to multiple canvas, it can auto-straighten the image etc.. but it just can do all steps 100% automatically.

‘can’ or ‘cannot’?

And CROPPING is one of the tricky one. No I am not talking about just chop off some part of the larger image to make it smaller, because cropping is more than that.

Either you or I have misunderstood the OP. I *think* he means that the photos have white borders (like they used to have in the old days) and he only wants to crop those white borders, will retaining all the image information. In that case the crop can be automatic with the right program, which I will write if someone pays me.

When we see more unemployees on street then we will know the util is available <bg>

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:48:35 -0000, wrote:

My real question is simple – do I need to buy Photoshop CS3, or is there a less expensive alternative. I am trying to minimize my cost. I know CS3 is awesome, but I can’t justify spending $600+ for this one feature.

I suppose it boils down to the fact of how much your time is worth, and how much time you would save by buying CS3.

If it is a professional (in the real dictionary sense of being paid for) job then you should be able to
work out the cost benefit.

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

"Owen Ransen" wrote in message

Then give the OP all steps instruction. Me? I just can’t see the picture how it can do automatically.

As I said it may well be impossible without a specific plugin for PS or a standalone program. But it is exactly the sort of job that computers are designed for. i.e. very well defined.

Look, Folks. It is in CS3, under the Automate menu. Go there. Use it and be happy.

wrote:

On Nov 14, 10:07 am, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

I’ll do it, but not for free!

Then make a deal with the OP which seems like s/he is dead now <bg>

OK, you guys are going way off on a bunch of tangents (which I guess is pretty normal in newsgroups). I already know for a fact that Photoshop CS3 will do this for me. I have tried it, and it works well, so there is no need to belabour that point. It may not be 100% perfect – occasionally an image gets misinterpreted and mis-cropped, but at least 99% of the time it works great – this will save me a lot of time, even if I have to manually crop the occasional image.

That isn’t really what CROP really is, but it’s *accaptable* cuz at least it can trim off the white border.

What I am trying to do is have a very streamlined process for scanning in hundreds of photos (prints) at a time from my scanner. After scanning, I want to be able to auto-crop and straighten each picture. I know, my scanner can do a pre-scan to figure out the area to be scanned, but that at least doubles the amount of time to scan in the photos.

Well, instead of trying to give you some magical hope, I just try to let you aware that it won’t be easy if not impossible. But if you think you can get not 99% but just 80-90% then I would say "GO FOR IT!" or even less than 60% because any thing you can get for free will be a good deal.

Regarding a sample image, take any random printed photo of your own, and scan it in on a scanner, leaving the scanned area a bit larger than the original photo. You’ll have white space on the resulting JPG, which needs to be trimmed. For good measure, place the photo slightly crooked.

My real question is simple – do I need to buy Photoshop CS3, or is there a less expensive alternative. I am trying to minimize my cost. I know CS3 is awesome, but I can’t justify spending $600+ for this one feature.

If you haven’t known Photoshop then the answer is pretty much NO

– NO it won’t cost you $600 if you can get your hand on the Educational deal available for high-school and college student that most America familes have. Unless you live in other country then it would be a different story

– NO, Photoshop is a great investment for people who deal with photo (graphic) which has so many great to unlimited of features/options (the more you know Photoshop the more personal features/options you can create for your own use). But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

– Knowledge of Photoshop to know what command to use to get the job done, And because Photoshop has so many different ways to get similar result then you may need to know more command to come up with a better way.

– Batching, then you may need another level of knowledge to create an ACTION to send command to multiple commands automatically. Or ACTION is similar to Macro/Script you can RECORD the action then it will PLAY-BACK whatever you RECORDED, and that’s pretty much what BATCH is.

IOW, you will need the combined knowledge of (1) Photoshop features/options (2) multiple choices to know which works best with ACTION (3) then you will need to create (RECORD and fine-tuning) an ACTION file etc..

But I can tell you this, the Action may be able to do 1-2 things at once, but it’s pretty much impossible to create an Action to

– Exam all scanned photos to know which need to be cropped, straighten

– Then send cropping command to one photo then straighten to other

And I am not even talking about SIZE, and we need to realize that most programs can do just about anything they are programmed to do, but they all require human brain to tell them what they are programmed to do. And that is why most Photoshop experts here can’t help you with the action, and few say YES can’t help you either.

And I can pretty much tell you that trimming off with boarder and straighten hundreds of photos won’t be that hard or won’t take that long either. The first few photos may take you probably 30-40 seconds, and if you are quick learner then after around a dozen photos you should memorized all commands/steps then you can reduce the time to few seconds. Or around 1 minute per photo (I am talking about from Loading to Saving).

And I am talking about using Keyboard Command not clicking mouse to open MENU. Or here I often work with both hands at same time, and I often use Keyboard command.

Thanks!

Sorry that I can’t be no help (especially I don’t know much about ACTION but just the general), and just like you I am waiting for the answer from the ones who think it’s possible. And I hope it would be Photoshop because it would be something new to learn.

wrote in message

On Nov 14, 10:07 am, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:17:52 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

Computers are good at this. That’s what they were built for. Photoshop may not be able to do it automatically, but then Photoshop is not the only program in the world.

Then tell the OP which program to be able to detect and remove the WHITE
area, and do everything the cropping automatically.

I’ll do it, but not for free!

Then make a deal with the OP which seems like s/he is dead now <bg>

OK, you guys are going way off on a bunch of tangents (which I guess is pretty normal in newsgroups). I already know for a fact that Photoshop CS3 will do this for me. I have tried it, and it works well, so there is no need to belabour that point. It may not be 100% perfect – occasionally an image gets misinterpreted and mis-cropped, but at least 99% of the time it works great – this will save me a lot of time, even if I have to manually crop the occasional image.
What I am trying to do is have a very streamlined process for scanning in hundreds of photos (prints) at a time from my scanner. After scanning, I want to be able to auto-crop and straighten each picture. I know, my scanner can do a pre-scan to figure out the area to be scanned, but that at least doubles the amount of time to scan in the photos.

Regarding a sample image, take any random printed photo of your own, and scan it in on a scanner, leaving the scanned area a bit larger than the original photo. You’ll have white space on the resulting JPG, which needs to be trimmed. For good measure, place the photo slightly crooked.

My real question is simple – do I need to buy Photoshop CS3, or is there a less expensive alternative. I am trying to minimize my cost. I know CS3 is awesome, but I can’t justify spending $600+ for this one feature.

Thanks!

I have not used the program but a lot of web people like and use Irfanview or GIMP
not sure either can do what you need but I think it’s still free to download then if they don’t work, I think you need to purchase PS

PS can do what you want if recorded as an action-run as a batch scripts etc, but you say you know that and how to do it
despite the poor advice you have received here from some of our more ignorant, uninformed and downright grumpy and nasty (newish) members

what the hell is wrong with you people?? you answer questions not asked, you answer stuff you have no clue about how to do, if you cannot even comprehend the question how can you answer??

This NG has deteriorated seriously, a lot of the more educated PS users have abandoned this board b/c the behavior of the participants here. I apologize to you for them, they have no manners and I am sure they would not.

"Joe" wrote in message

wrote:

If you haven’t known Photoshop then the answer is pretty much NO
– NO it won’t cost you $600 if you can get your hand on the Educational deal
available for high-school and college student that most America familes have.

Most families have? Really? Wow. How do you know that?

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:06:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

2) Measure the angle of the four borders, take an average and you will get the angle of the photo. (adjust for
+-90 degrees left and right borders)

Are we still talking about 100% automatically here?

Yes, I shuold have said "program measures"

3) Rotate the image by that amount.

No! you do not really to go this far. Photoshop CS2 has the option

But the OP wants everything automatically. Not a bit in one program and a bit in another.

4) Crop to the rotated edges.

5) Do a second scan to find out where the borders of the photo end and the real photo starts.

6) Crop to those edges.

Now give me the step instruction to "rotate" and "crop" these photos 4×6"
5×7"
8×10"
10×20"

The size does not matter. The program analyses the field of pixels, it does not even need to know the physical size.

Then show the OP how you auto-crop those sizes.

The only problem I can see that there should be no util can do all dirty job. Yes, even Photoshop has option to auto separate images from single photo to multiple canvas, it can auto-straighten the image etc.. but it just can do all steps 100% automatically.

‘can’ or ‘cannot’?

Oops! I meant "can not", sorry.

And CROPPING is one of the tricky one. No I am not talking about just chop off some part of the larger image to make it smaller, because cropping is more than that.

Either you or I have misunderstood the OP. I *think* he means that the photos have white borders (like they used to have in the old days) and he only wants to crop those white borders, will

No, I don’t misunderstand the OP, and I do understand the OP means the scans have white boarders, either like the good ole days, or the scanner adds to it which doesn’t matter (because it isn’t the important part)

retaining all the image information. In that case the crop can be automatic with the right program, which I will write if someone pays me.

Well, you can always ask the OP for some fee. And I will be here to hear the OP reports that it works <bg>

When we see more unemployees on street then we will know the util is available <bg>

P.S. Forget the above I said about showing the OP how you auto-crop different sizes, cuz sizes won’t go without price <bg>

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

wrote:

If you haven’t known Photoshop then the answer is pretty much NO
– NO it won’t cost you $600 if you can get your hand on the Educational deal
available for high-school and college student that most America familes have.

Most families have? Really? Wow. How do you know that?

How do I know that? because here in our country (America by the way) we have a Force Education or the government provides educational fund to all citizents through high school.

So unless

– You live in other world (as I mentioned in original message)

– Or all your family members either dead or uneducated?

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

I does, but isn’t designed for.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:41:21 -0600, Joe wrote:

Then show the OP how you auto-crop those sizes.

I already have, but you obviously can’t read.

It is simple to write a program which extracts the edges from an image, analyses the edges, find the largest edges, there will be four of them, and crop to those edges.

Rotation, after that is a doddle. But I’ve already
explained that.

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:41:21 -0600, Joe wrote:

Then show the OP how you auto-crop those sizes.

I already have, but you obviously can’t read.

It is simple to write a program which extracts the edges from an image, analyses the edges, find the largest edges, there will be four of them, and crop to those edges.

Rotation, after that is a doddle. But I’ve already
explained that.

I did read but just read to know what you said, but believing what you said or not is another story.

Or I may be waiting to see it’s available to public to hit myself in the head for not believe the true story.

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

I does, but isn’t designed for.

Joe, scripts supplied with Photoshop are add-ons and 100% supported so therefore they are a part of the product, part of the design.

"KatWoman" wrote in message

PS can do what you want if recorded as an action-run as a batch scripts etc, but you say you know that and how to do it
despite the poor advice you have received here from some of our more ignorant, uninformed and downright grumpy and nasty (newish) members

Indeed. All one needs to do is to start recording an Action, then take Automate… then save and run it as a batch.

Joe wrote:

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

wrote:

If you haven’t known Photoshop then the answer is pretty much NO
– NO it won’t cost you $600 if you can get your hand on the Educational deal
available for high-school and college student that most America familes have.

Most families have? Really? Wow. How do you know that?

How do I know that? because here in our country (America by the way) we have a Force Education or the government provides educational fund to all citizents through high school.

So unless

– You live in other world (as I mentioned in original message)
– Or all your family members either dead or uneducated?

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

I does, but isn’t designed for.

BTW, just incase some newbie here believes what our Pico saying, I can say that either s/he doesn’t understand the quest, or just another poor liar (no I am not saying Pico is a liar but possible). Because Photoshop does have quite a few features to do many single actions, *but* Photoshop can’t do multiple complex commands those requires more than few basic key-strokes.

And I wonder if Pico understand what "BATCH" means or not, or does Pico understand that "batch" means one key-stroke will auto do all the following to HUNDREDS of scanned photos

– Straighen all scanned photos (talking about hundreds)

– Trimming off the white boarder of hundreds of photos

– Cropping hundreds of photos

I dunno what size’s, shape’s, condition’s of those photos, but if Pico has the answer and knowing how to make ACTION then we may see an action made by Pico soon… cuz even I am not an Action experted, but if Pico knows the secret command then it may not take Pico more than few seconds to RECORD the command .. or may be few extra minutes for fine-tuning?

Here, the only 2 users I know can do it (1) Pico with Photoshop (2) Owen Ransen with the program s/he just programmed, and I haven’t seen none of them. No, I do not beg for the action nor program cuz I have no need, but I just can’t image how it can be done.

And remember the OP askes for BATCHing hundreds of photos automatically, not manually or one-by-one.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:41:21 -0600, Joe wrote:

Then show the OP how you auto-crop those sizes.

I already have, but you obviously can’t read.

It is simple to write a program which extracts the edges from an image, analyses the edges, find the largest edges, there will be four of them, and crop to those edges.

Rotation, after that is a doddle. But I’ve already
explained that.

I did read but just read to know what you said, but believing what you said or not is another story.

Exactly how much experience have you got with graphics
programming? Or automatic image analysis. Just before I pop you into the kill filter have a look at this:

http://www.ransen.com/Kanji.htm

This research was done in Yokohama more than 20 years
ago, maybe before you were even born.

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

I does, but isn’t designed for.

Joe, scripts supplied with Photoshop are add-ons and 100% supported so therefore they are a part of the product, part of the design.

I do know script/action, and the cropping, straighten, separating etc. features of CS2 and probably CS3 which I have but haven’t had much time to play with it dur to some health problem to confirm. But do you read what the OP askes?

Read other message I mentioned your name or nick (as I can’t tell real name or nick), and as I said I don’t mean to call Pico is a liar (I really mean it), but what you said or trying to say isn’t true.

Just incase you either missed the original request or don’t understand what the OP asks. The OP said he has hundreds of scanned images that he wants BATCH (100% automatically) those options

– Trimming off the white boarder of hundred(s) of images

– Cropping hundred(s) of scanned images

– Staighten up the crooked images

and the main request is to *BATCH* cropping/trimming/straightening etc.. or with ONE KEY-STROKE hundreds of images will be handled all by itself. Later on, the OP mentions he doesn’t have Photoshop etc..

Even I don’t know much about action, but I believe *if* it’s possible then many Action Experted here would love to challenge this, and some should be able to come up with the working action in minutes. But I do believe it’s impossible.

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"KatWoman" wrote in message

PS can do what you want if recorded as an action-run as a batch scripts etc, but you say you know that and how to do it
despite the poor advice you have received here from some of our more ignorant, uninformed and downright grumpy and nasty (newish) members

Indeed. All one needs to do is to start recording an Action, then take Automate… then save and run it as a batch.

Why don’t you record the action, and who knows you may be able to beat Owen on the sale (Owen said s/he already programmed a program to do all those, but s/he won’t give it away for free but some fee) <bg>

P.S. Please forgive me about name as I don’t know Owen is male/female so I call S/He (sort for She or He).

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"KatWoman" wrote in message

PS can do what you want if recorded as an action-run as a batch scripts etc, but you say you know that and how to do it
despite the poor advice you have received here from some of our more ignorant, uninformed and downright grumpy and nasty (newish) members

Indeed. All one needs to do is to start recording an Action, then take Automate… then save and run it as a batch.

Why don’t you record the action, and who knows you may be able to beat Owen on the sale (Owen said s/he already programmed a program to do all those, but s/he won’t give it away for free but some fee) <bg>

Joe, the routine is a script owned by Adobe and is part of Photoshop. 🙂 I make a very good living doing things that have not been done before. I don’t want to get into the old stuff. (Straighten and trim/crop is very well known and has been about for decades.)

"Joe" wrote in message

BTW, just incase some newbie here believes what our Pico saying, I can say that either s/he doesn’t understand the quest, or just another poor liar (no
I am not saying Pico is a liar but possible). Because Photoshop does have quite a few features to do many single actions, *but* Photoshop can’t do multiple complex commands those requires more than few basic key-strokes.

My dear Joe, I know very well what Photoshop can do. I have been using it since Version 3.0. You are so dead wrong about the complexity possible with Photoshop actions. Further, by scripting a person can do astounding things.

And I wonder if Pico understand what "BATCH" means or not, or does Pico understand that "batch" means one key-stroke will auto do all the following
to HUNDREDS of scanned photos

– Straighen all scanned photos (talking about hundreds)

– Trimming off the white boarder of hundreds of photos

– Cropping hundreds of photos

Yep. Batch can do that. I do it. It is not unusual for me to batch process over 3,000 images before lunch.

I dunno what size’s, shape’s, condition’s of those photos, but if Pico has the answer and knowing how to make ACTION then we may see an action made by
Pico soon… cuz even I am not an Action experted, but if Pico knows the secret command then it may not take Pico more than few seconds to RECORD the
command .. or may be few extra minutes for fine-tuning?

Bull. Do you even have CS3? I’ve used the feature. I’ve even tried it with images that have only three regular sides. It works as advertised.

Here, the only 2 users I know can do it (1) Pico with Photoshop (2) Owen Ransen with the program s/he just programmed, and I haven’t seen none of them. No, I do not beg for the action nor program cuz I have no need, but I
just can’t image how it can be done.

Possibly because you haven’t over THIRTY YEARS experience in this as I have.

"Owen Ransen" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

I did read but just read to know what you said, but believing what you said or not is another story.

Exactly how much experience have you got with graphics
programming? Or automatic image analysis. Just before I
pop you into the kill filter have a look at this:

http://www.ransen.com/Kanji.htm

This research was done in Yokohama more than 20 years
ago, maybe before you were even born.

I love that kind of work! Good stuff!

"Joe" wrote in message

Just incase you either missed the original request or don’t understand what the OP asks. The OP said he has hundreds of scanned images that he wants BATCH (100% automatically) those options

– Trimming off the white boarder of hundred(s) of images
– Cropping hundred(s) of scanned images

– Staighten up the crooked images

Yes. I understand. You do not.

http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-cs3/video-tutorial s/cs3-productivity/how-to-crop-and-straighten-photos-video.h tml

Just play it. An experienced user knows how to take that much further.

Clear now? You don’t know what you are talking about. Get over it.

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

Owen Ransen wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:41:21 -0600, Joe wrote:

Then show the OP how you auto-crop those sizes.

I already have, but you obviously can’t read.

It is simple to write a program which extracts the edges from an image, analyses the edges, find the largest edges, there will be four of them, and crop to those edges.

Rotation, after that is a doddle. But I’ve already
explained that.

I did read but just read to know what you said, but believing what you said or not is another story.

Exactly how much experience have you got with graphics
programming? Or automatic image analysis. Just before I pop you into the kill filter have a look at this:

http://www.ransen.com/Kanji.htm

This research was done in Yokohama more than 20 years
ago, maybe before you were even born.

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago (retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

Just incase you either missed the original request or don’t understand what the OP asks. The OP said he has hundreds of scanned images that he wants BATCH (100% automatically) those options

– Trimming off the white boarder of hundred(s) of images
– Cropping hundred(s) of scanned images

– Staighten up the crooked images

Yes. I understand. You do not.

http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-cs3/video-tutorial s/cs3-productivity/how-to-crop-and-straighten-photos-video.h tml

Just play it. An experienced user knows how to take that much further.
Clear now? You don’t know what you are talking about. Get over it.

No, don’t show me how to crop because I crop to make $$$, but I am talking about BATCHING remember?

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"KatWoman" wrote in message

PS can do what you want if recorded as an action-run as a batch scripts etc, but you say you know that and how to do it
despite the poor advice you have received here from some of our more ignorant, uninformed and downright grumpy and nasty (newish) members

Indeed. All one needs to do is to start recording an Action, then take Automate… then save and run it as a batch.

Why don’t you record the action, and who knows you may be able to beat Owen on the sale (Owen said s/he already programmed a program to do all those, but s/he won’t give it away for free but some fee) <bg>

Joe, the routine is a script owned by Adobe and is part of Photoshop. 🙂 I make a very good living doing things that have not been done before. I don’t want to get into the old stuff. (Straighten and trim/crop is very well known and has been about for decades.)

I don’t know you but it’s smell <bg>

"Joe" wrote in message

I don’t know you but it’s smell <bg>

Take a break, Mate. Get some rest. This place is not your home. Generally, we are experts. Come back as a students and all will be better.

Rest to you, Joe.

Peace,
Pico

"Joe" wrote in message

No, don’t show me how to crop because I crop to make $$$, but I am talking about BATCHING remember?

You don’t even know that that means. Loser.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:22:15 -0600, "pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Owen Ransen" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:34 -0600, Joe wrote:

I did read but just read to know what you said, but believing what you said or not is another story.

Exactly how much experience have you got with graphics
programming? Or automatic image analysis. Just before I
pop you into the kill filter have a look at this:

http://www.ransen.com/Kanji.htm

This research was done in Yokohama more than 20 years
ago, maybe before you were even born.

I love that kind of work! Good stuff!

Imagine what can be done now…that was an 8 bit computer…!

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800, wrote:

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

How about PhotoElf:

"A program called photoELF has a much faster semi-automatic crop"

$29.99

http://www.photoelf.com/

I have not used it so I don’t know how good it is.

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800, wrote:

Specifically, I am looking for a utility that will ***automatically*** detect where in the JPG a scanned photo is, automatically trim away any white space on all four sides of the image, and save the auto- cropped JPG to a new file. I have been looking for a while for utilities that will do this, and so far have come up empty.

I haven’t look to much further but this free patent

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6456732.html

may be in use in some programs. You’d have to do
a google search to find them….

Easy to use graphics effects:
http://www.ransen.com/

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

No, don’t show me how to crop because I crop to make $$$, but I am talking about BATCHING remember?

You don’t even know that that means. Loser.

Yup! I am waiting for the loser to watch the Crop and Straighten video to RECORD the action <bg>

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

No, don’t show me how to crop because I crop to make $$$, but I am talking
about BATCHING remember?

Yup! I am waiting for the loser to watch the Crop and Straighten video to RECORD the action <bg>

This is nutz, Joe. Are you claiming that one cannot batch a Crop/Straighten automation? Want to put money on it?

"Joe" wrote in message

Joe wrote:

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

wrote:

If you haven’t known Photoshop then the answer is pretty much NO
– NO it won’t cost you $600 if you can get your hand on the Educational
deal
available for high-school and college student that most America familes
have.

Most families have? Really? Wow. How do you know that?

How do I know that? because here in our country (America by the way) we have a Force Education or the government provides educational fund to all citizents through high school.

So unless

– You live in other world (as I mentioned in original message)
– Or all your family members either dead or uneducated?

-[…] But Photoshop isn’t designed for Cropping/Straighten crooked scanned photos, so you will need.

Nonesense. It does a very good job of that.

I does, but isn’t designed for.

BTW, just incase some newbie here believes what our Pico saying, I

SNIP

joe you RUDE JERK

TOO BAD YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE OP
HE SAID HE ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO MAKE THE ACTION AND BATCH IT TO DO WHAT HE WANTS READ IT POST ONE
AND THE REST OF US SEEM TO KNOW A WAY TO DO IT IN ONE KEY AFTER YOU PROGRAM IT TO A SCRIPT
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT VID GUY ASKED
‘HE ASKS FOR A CHEAPER PROGRAM TO DO IT IN

PICO IS AN INFORMED REGULAR CONTRIBUTOR
YOU OTOH ARE A CRANKY NOOB WHO ALWAYS TALKS BULLSHIT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT AND THE POOR OP -YOUTOLD HIM ALL WRONG CRAP AND OWeN MAY BE GOOD AT PROGRAMMING BUT HIS ARTISTIC SKILLS ARE PRESCHOOL LEVEL
ALWAYS HERE TO SELL A crappy PLUG-IN INSTEAD OF TELLING SOMEONE HOW TO DO IT IN PS

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

No, don’t show me how to crop because I crop to make $$$, but I am talking
about BATCHING remember?

Yup! I am waiting for the loser to watch the Crop and Straighten video to RECORD the action <bg>

This is nutz, Joe. Are you claiming that one cannot batch a Crop/Straighten automation? Want to put money on it?

Loser! not long ago you had your head bowed to Owen old talking project, but forgot to raise your head a little higher than your nose to show off your RECORDed <bg>

IOW, if anyone can use their head to think can easily see what you two trying to prove. Yes, I heard both of you but won’t buy none of the dreamy story <bg>

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

This is nutz, Joe. Are you claiming that one cannot batch a Crop/Straighten
automation? Want to put money on it?

IOW, if anyone can use their head to think can easily see what you two trying to prove. Yes, I heard both of you but won’t buy none of the dreamy story <bg>

Welcome to my kill file you oxygen thief.

"Joe" wrote in message

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago (retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

If you want to enjoy life, then don’t make yourself miserable with impressionistic assumptions regarding what and what cannot be done with Photoshop.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:45:23 -0600, "pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago (retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

If you want to enjoy life, then don’t make yourself miserable with impressionistic assumptions regarding what and what cannot be done with Photoshop.

Applause..!!!
It is as if he is frustrated
but end many letters with a hint for ‘respect for the elderly’. He should deserve respect and not only insist on it
because he’s been in school with your parents.

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:45:23 -0600, "pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago
(retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

If you want to enjoy life, then don’t make yourself miserable with impressionistic assumptions regarding what and what cannot be done with Photoshop.

Applause..!!!
It is as if he is frustrated
but end many letters with a hint for ‘respect for the elderly’. He should deserve respect and not only insist on it
because he’s been in school with your parents.

I rather doubt that Joe is elderly, or older than I am. What does it matter anyway?

"pico" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" wrote:

This is nutz, Joe. Are you claiming that one cannot batch a Crop/Straighten
automation? Want to put money on it?

IOW, if anyone can use their head to think can easily see what you two trying to prove. Yes, I heard both of you but won’t buy none of the dreamy story <bg>

Welcome to my kill file you oxygen thief.

You have better because I never like liar <bg>

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago (retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

If you want to enjoy life, then don’t make yourself miserable with impressionistic assumptions regarding what and what cannot be done with Photoshop.

That is why I have been trying to tell you do not lie because anyone who knows the basic of Photoshop knows quite well that Photoshop can do many wonderful thing *but* the only thing it can’t do (at least not yet) is doing what you say it can.

Yes, you can record the commands and play back what you recorded, but that’s about it. But you can’t batch different needs on hundreds of different scanned photos, that just won’t work.

"Joe" wrote in message

"pico" <pico.pico.pico> wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message

You mean you parents weren’t born? because I retired around 22 years (ago
(retired early to enjoy life more) <bg>

If you want to enjoy life, then don’t make yourself miserable with impressionistic assumptions regarding what and what cannot be done with Photoshop.

That is why I have been trying to tell you do not lie because anyone who knows the basic of Photoshop knows quite well that Photoshop can do many wonderful thing *but* the only thing it can’t do (at least not yet) is doing
what you say it can.

Yes, you can record the commands and play back what you recorded, but that’s about it. But you can’t batch different needs on hundreds of different scanned photos, that just won’t work.

Joe I am betting English is not your native language, I was hoping that was the reason for your lack of comprehension and your inability to understand the original post request

THE OP ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO DO IT IN PSHOP
SO YOUR INSISTENCE THAT HE CANNOT DO IT>>>>>BUSTED IN HIS FIRST SENTENCE HE ASKS IF THERE IS A CHEAPER PROGRAM TO DO IT>>>>>> NOT IF IT COULD BE DONE

AND YOU ARE WRONG
YES IT CAN BE DONE ACCORDING TO PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER WHO ASKED ………EVEN HE KNEW IT CAN BE DONE

SEE MY LAST UNANSWERED POST

Joe you RUDE JERK

TOO BAD YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE OP
HE SAID HE ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO MAKE THE ACTION AND BATCH IT TO DO WHAT HE WANTS READ IT ………………………..POST ONE
AND THE REST OF US SEEM TO KNOW A WAY TO DO IT IN ONE KEY AFTER YOU PROGRAM IT TO A SCRIPT
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT VID GUY ASKED
‘HE ASKS FOR A CHEAPER PROGRAM TO DO IT IN

PICO IS AN INFORMED REGULAR CONTRIBUTOR
YOU OTOH ARE A CRANKY NOOB WHO ALWAYS TALKS BULLSHIT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT AND THE POOR OP -YOU TOLD HIM ALL WRONG CRAP

Owen MAY BE GOOD AT
PROGRAMMING BUT HIS ARTISTIC SKILLS ARE PRESCHOOL LEVEL
ALWAYS HERE TO SELL A crappy PLUG-IN INSTEAD OF TELLING SOMEONE HOW TO DO IT IN PS

OLDNESS IS NO EXCUSE FOR IGNORANCE
YOU SHOULD KNOW MORE AS YOU GET OLDER NOT LESS

"Joe" wrote in message

Yes, you can record the commands and play back what you recorded, but that’s about it. But you can’t batch different needs on hundreds of different scanned photos, that just won’t work.

Yes I can.