Nobbies in my Pictures

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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
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I have a few old pictures that have a pattern of tiny squares that were put there intentionally. They are 1970 school pictures. I lost a program that would remove them and other geometric shapes, like hexagons and pentagons. Now I can’t remember what it was called. I guess these effects are from a special lens. But they make it almost impossible to repair the picture. Any ideas?

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glen_deman
Apr 16, 2004
Depending on the pic, you might be able to clone/heal the offending shapes away. Could you possibly post a link to your pic?
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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
I don’t know how to make a link, but I could try. These squares are all over, just like there was a screen on the camera.
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Mac_McDougald
Apr 16, 2004
If you want to email it to me (5MB or less), I’ll put it on web with link.
doogle AT doogle DOT com

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Mac_McDougald
Apr 16, 2004
The OP emailed me the pic.
I cropped a 90k section out at 1:1.
http://doogle.com/misc/nobbies.jpg

My guess, this is either
1. a scanned image, and the pattern is due to textured photo paper, OR it was scanned through glass/plexiglass.
or
2. was shot with cam through glass/plexiglass in a frame.

What y’all think?

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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
I have ran into this before, just the way the orignal looked. I guess somebody thought it looked pretty. Alot of school pictures are like this. I had a program that allowed me to select different geometric shapes and then use them to cover the unwanted shapes.
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Dennis_Palin
Apr 16, 2004
Looks like paper texture to me. I remember those photo’s and never did like the texture.
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Mac_McDougald
Apr 16, 2004
Ah, then it was probably photo printed through a texture screen, IC.

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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
Dennis is probably right. But how can I find my lost program?
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Mac_McDougald
Apr 16, 2004
I’ve never heard of anything like it..
Don’t remember an actual name?

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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
I wish I did. It was a PS plug-in. Very limited. As I recall it was made to install the different effects, rather than remove them. But could be used to cover.
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John_Slate
Apr 16, 2004
But how can I find my lost program?

I would start looking in the last place first, since that is usually where you find something.

If I misplace my car keys, I’ll check the freezer first.
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John_Slate
Apr 16, 2004
….but seriously, I can’t think of anything that would remove an array of intentionally placed squares.

Why do you think these squares were put there intentionally? and who would do such a thing? How big are these squares? They wouldn’t by any chance be 1/72nd of an inch in a 72ppi image?
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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
Mac posted a link to my picture. Probably paper texture.
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Phosphor
Apr 16, 2004
Yup.

Photo-paper texture.
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John_Slate
Apr 16, 2004
The link has given me a clue.

Those aren’t squares that have been deviously deposited on your photo, but hexagons, and I suspect bees could be at the heart of this apparent conspiracy!

Or at least some group who share a hive-mind.

resistance is futile.
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John_Slate
Apr 16, 2004
Actually I think that it is a woven nylon belt in a print processor that imparts that pattern on the paper.

It is not a texture of the paper per se.

I could be wrong… just a guess.
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nvslater
Apr 16, 2004
You are funny. This program, according to Retouch Pro should help. <http://www.neatimage.com/>
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Colin_Walls
Apr 16, 2004
I think this pattern is there intentionally. It is the kind of thing that is put on proof images to avoid illegal copying. I should point out that, even if you have paid for these prints, if you don’t own the copyright, copying them is illegal.

[You don’t say which version of PS you are using, but, if it’s CS, it would probably detect this pattern and email the FBI … 🙂 ]
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dave_milbut
Apr 16, 2004
I think this pattern is there intentionally. It is the kind of thing that is put on proof images to avoid illegal copying. I should point out that, even if you have paid for these prints, if you don’t own the copyright, copying them is illegal.

That’s what I think.
JR
John_R_Nielsen
Apr 18, 2004
The pattern in the linked image is of a very small area. It is produced by "silk finish", which was common several years ago, beacuse is was supposed to hide fingerprints due to handling the prints. I once printed a picture where the customer wanted a man’s face coppied from a group snapshot, about 3/8" square (done with film on a copy stand). The "nobbies" were over an inch in diameter in the final 8×10.
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Zeb
Apr 18, 2004
One quick way is to dupe the image layer, apply Dust & Scratches until the marks are completely gone, then move it below the original layer and set the blending mode of the original to lighten. (Adapted)
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nvslater
Apr 20, 2004
Zeb;
I like your suggestion, seems to work fine. Even though I don’t understand (Adapted).
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Mark_Allen
Apr 20, 2004
It’s old Kodak textured paper but isn’t it ironic that in this day and age when we are trying to protect our images from copying, Kodak had the answer under their noses in the seventies.

Zeb, like that workaround , will have to try it. You forgot to note though you have to right click on the background layer and change the settings to "Layer 0" for those who don’t know.

I used to duplicate the layer and apply "Median" till they disappeared and then lighten but this didn’t completely get rid of them.

Colin, you’re not entirely correct. I get lots of photos which were taken by the client themselves but have lost the negatives but I stop short if it’s a wedding photo and the photographer is still alive. It’s go back to him but it’s astounding how many repro houses don’t even ask and some of them big names.

Where do we stand with ’60’s newspaper cuttings?

Regards

Mark
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Christine_Krof_Shock
Apr 21, 2004
They are still copyrighted but most papers are really good about granting permission especially for "artistic" use

You may also want to try rotating the pix by 90 degrees on the scanner bed scanning it 3-4 times, rotating it each time by 90 degrees–sometimes the scanner will pick up different information in the different rotations and you can use blending modes to play with dropping out the pattern

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