PhotoShop CS cpu drain..?

Make sure DMA is turned on for all drives.

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I’ve noticed (actually, it’s bugged me since I got it) that even when PhotoShop has no files open and is sitting minimised on my Windows desktop it rocks between 3-10% cpu utilisation… and this on both my main machines. Why is PS using so much CPU when it is actually supposed to be doing nothing?

The machines:

Windows XP Pro, 2.8Ghz P4, 1Gb RAM, 64Mb Intel Extreme, empty 20gb scratch disk.

Windows XP Pro, 3.4Ghz P4HT/Extreme Edition, 256Mb ATI Radeon 9800XT, 2Gb RAM, empty 10,000rpm 250gb scratch disk.

This happened both pre-and-post XP Service Pack 2.

Does anyone have any ideas? I dont mind PS being a CPU hog when I’m doing stuff in it, but it’s a real PAIN in my usual working environment where I have a LOT of multimedia programs open at once.

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"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

I’ve noticed (actually, it’s bugged me since I got it) that even when PhotoShop has no files open and is sitting minimised on my Windows desktop it rocks between 3-10% cpu utilisation… and this on both my main machines. Why is PS using so much CPU when it is actually supposed to be doing nothing?

The machines:

Windows XP Pro, 2.8Ghz P4, 1Gb RAM, 64Mb Intel Extreme, empty 20gb scratch disk.

Windows XP Pro, 3.4Ghz P4HT/Extreme Edition, 256Mb ATI Radeon 9800XT, 2Gb RAM, empty 10,000rpm 250gb scratch disk.

This happened both pre-and-post XP Service Pack 2.

Does anyone have any ideas? I dont mind PS being a CPU hog when I’m doing stuff in it, but it’s a real PAIN in my usual working environment where I have a LOT of multimedia programs open at once.

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Make sure DMA is turned on for all drives.

It is. Anyway, other programs dont have these problems. Our main machine (the 3.4ghz one) is used VERY heavily as a graphics workstation for everything from realtime video editing to uh playing Half Life 2 🙂 Everything else runs fine on it. I’m just curious why PS need to use so much CPU when basically it is doing nothing at all. And what this has to do with disk DMA’s I have no clue 🙂 Why would it be accessing the disk at all?

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Turn off or close down the browse function and it *should* stop. You might find an alternative file browser will provide faster, less invasive browsing.

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I’ve noticed (actually, it’s bugged me since I got it) that even when PhotoShop has no files open and is sitting minimised on my Windows

desktop

it rocks between 3-10% cpu utilisation… and this on both my main machines. Why is PS using so much CPU when it is actually supposed to be doing nothing?

What is the cpu drain when nothing is running?

(well, officially that is)

Aerticeus

If you have Norton anti virus auto protect turned on, turn it off and see if the activity stops. Bet that’s it.

Hope this helps,
Dave

Aerticeus wrote:

What is the cpu drain when nothing is running?

(well, officially that is)

Aerticeus

On my machine? 0% on either of the CPU threads, even with a mountain of other applications running. PhotoShop is the only thing that eats up chunks of CPU as far as I can tell… hmmff. Maybe my computers just hate me.

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Ahem

http://www.tunexp.com/tips/maintain_your_computer/performanc e_increase_through_my_computer/

Aerticeus

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Aerticeus wrote:

What is the cpu drain when nothing is running?

(well, officially that is)

Aerticeus

On my machine? 0% on either of the CPU threads, even with a mountain of other applications running. PhotoShop is the only thing that eats up chunks of CPU as far as I can tell… hmmff. Maybe my computers just hate me.

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Ahem

http://www.tunexp.com/tips/maintain_your_computer/performanc e_increase_through_my_computer/
Aerticeus

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!

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Seems sorta spooky to me

I tried it myself on this wee beastie and my performance monitor twiddle between 0% and 2%

The link below will show you a chart

The main spike to 16% occured when I pulled the network plug

Click the link

http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?pic=1NX2z2fslRPoYOxWaxUbuy gfEM92N

Aerticeus

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Aerticeus wrote:

Ahem

http://www.tunexp.com/tips/maintain_your_computer/performanc e_increase_through_my_computer/
Aerticeus

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!
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Forgive me for asking, computers really are tricky things, but have you thought about taking up knitting?

Aerticeus

Aerticeus wrote:

Seems sorta spooky to me

I tried it myself on this wee beastie and my performance monitor twiddle between 0% and 2%

The link below will show you a chart

The main spike to 16% occured when I pulled the network plug
Click the link

http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?pic=1NX2z2fslRPoYOxWaxUbuy gfEM92N

Aerticeus

Hmmm right now it’s behaving.

http://digitalharmony.no-ip.com/temp/processor.jpg

I’ll take a shot when it’s being funky again!

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Aerticeus wrote:

Forgive me for asking, computers really are tricky things, but have you thought about taking up knitting?

Aerticeus

cheeky monkey!

I’m proud of my pet computers. They usually behave for me. But I’m no n00b, so there :p

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Groovy Lol!

Aerticeus

ps – I knit not
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Aerticeus wrote:

Forgive me for asking, computers really are tricky things, but have you thought about taking up knitting?

Aerticeus

cheeky monkey!

I’m proud of my pet computers. They usually behave for me. But I’m no n00b, so there :p

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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:39:20 -0500, "DSphotog"
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If you have Norton anti virus auto protect turned on, turn it off and see if the activity stops. Bet that’s it.

Hope this helps,
Dave

Better still, if you have Norton AV, get a decent AV app instead <g>

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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:28:34 +0000, SpaceGirl
wrote:

Aerticeus wrote:

Forgive me for asking, computers really are tricky things, but have you thought about taking up knitting?

Aerticeus

cheeky monkey!

I’m proud of my pet computers. They usually behave for me. But I’m no n00b, so there :p

I just launched PS. Apart from when launching where the peak cpu use went to 85%, as soon as I minimised PS it dropped back to the 7-8% I had before (with the other software I was running).

I don’t know if you saw the post upthread which mentioned the File Browser, but it’s correct in that if you have that open all the time it will constantly reread folders. Personally, I never use the damn thing, I just keep ThumbsPlus open when I’m working.

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SpaceGirl wrote:

Aerticeus wrote:

Ahem

http://www.tunexp.com/tips/maintain_your_computer/performanc e_increase_through_my_computer/

Aerticeus

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!

It seems it’s just your machine – mine shows no activity except ‘system idle process’

James Connell wrote:

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!

It seems it’s just your machine – mine shows no activity except ‘system idle process’

Two different machines though :/

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DSphotog wrote:

If you have Norton anti virus auto protect turned on, turn it off and see if the activity stops. Bet that’s it.

Hope this helps,
Dave

Now it COULD be that… we have that on all machines.

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I use NIS

Is there a n appreciable difference?

NIS asks quite nicely: would you like to download whatever

Aerticeus

i have about the same as you minus the scratch disk with zero problems, its probably not photoshop but some other spyware/adware/malware running hidden in the background

http://community.webtv.net/TinyJohnsonnnnn/MyComputer
http://community.webtv.net/TinyJohnsonnnn/recentpics

eye? eye?

Aerticeus

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i have about the same as you minus the scratch disk with zero problems, its probably not photoshop but some other spyware/adware/malware running hidden in the background

http://community.webtv.net/TinyJohnsonnnnn/MyComputer
http://community.webtv.net/TinyJohnsonnnn/recentpics

SpaceGirl wrote:

James Connell wrote:

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!

It seems it’s just your machine – mine shows no activity except ‘system idle process’

Two different machines though :/

how simalar is the software on those machines?

Hi Hecate,

Care to make a recommendation? Would be much appreciated.

TIA.

Best Regards,
Dave

In article <7Itrd.232$ says
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Groovy Lol!

Aerticeus

ps – I knit not
A

He knits not, therefore he’s not a knitter. If he did knit, I’ll bet that he’d knit with knots!

Hunt, going far, far OT again – sorry

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I’ve noticed (actually, it’s bugged me since I got it) that even when PhotoShop has no files open and is sitting minimised on my Windows desktop it rocks between 3-10% cpu utilisation… and this on both my main machines. Why is PS using so much CPU when it is actually supposed to be doing nothing?

The machines:

Windows XP Pro, 2.8Ghz P4, 1Gb RAM, 64Mb Intel Extreme, empty 20gb scratch disk.

Windows XP Pro, 3.4Ghz P4HT/Extreme Edition, 256Mb ATI Radeon 9800XT, 2Gb RAM, empty 10,000rpm 250gb scratch disk.

This happened both pre-and-post XP Service Pack 2.

Does anyone have any ideas? I dont mind PS being a CPU hog when I’m doing stuff in it, but it’s a real PAIN in my usual working environment where I have a LOT of multimedia programs open at once.

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Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As the thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some blocking software, but no software firewall. Without PS, I get 0%-1% with an occasional spike to 16% about every 45s. With PS loaded and minimized, with no Browser open, it’s 8%-12%, with one spike to 64%, and many other in the 24% range at about the same timing as with no PS. Hm-m-m. This is an XP (no SP-2) and a wireless -> cable connection.

Tomorrow, I’ll check out a workstation with dual P-III’s, 2GB RAM, SCSI RAID Scratch Disks and W2K SP-4. It has a gigabit cable NIC.

Interesting, but I have also never seen any response effects from this, and had never bothered to graph it.

Hunt

Hunt wrote:

In article <7Itrd.232$ says
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Groovy Lol!

Aerticeus

ps – I knit not
A

He knits not, therefore he’s not a knitter. If he did knit, I’ll bet that he’d knit with knots!

Hunt, going far, far OT again – sorry

It is a pleasure (for u I mean)

Feels like I sorta deserved it 🙁

Aerticeus

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:34:15 -0500, "DSphotog"
wrote:

Hi Hecate,

Care to make a recommendation? Would be much appreciated.
TIA.

Best Regards,
Dave

Sure – NOD32. It’s fast, it has a small footprint, it doesn’t use much in the way of resources, it checks for updates roughly every three hours or so ( very frequently anyway, you can set a schedule but I use the automatic one) it has won an award for 100% detection in the Virus Bulletin tests *29* times in a row (more than any other AV app) and it’s cheaper than most of the others as well. Oh, and I’ve *never* had even the hint of a problem with it. In fact, when I first bought it, for the first few days I kept launching it from the System tray to check it was working because it didn’t seem to have any effect on my system. Of course, if I’d bothered to read the "Checked by NOD32" on the bottom of all my incoming emails…, Duh! 😉

You’ll need to Google for the web site because it’s a different address depending on which country you’re in.

UK is www.nod32uk.com for instance.

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On 3 Dec 2004 01:28:48 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As the thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some blocking software, but no software firewall.

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.

You mean you *allow* malware to run on your system??????

Get a decent firewall – Outpost from www.agnit=um.com. Small footprint and doesn’t hog system resources unlike Norton, MacAfee et al.

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I don’t know if you saw the post upthread which mentioned the File Browser, but it’s correct in that if you have that open all the time it will constantly reread folders. Personally, I never use the damn thing, I just keep ThumbsPlus open when I’m working.

Meh. It’s the best I’ve got till Thumbs Plus supports the 20D. It works, and I like it for making web galleries (just highlight the pics you want instead of the "everything in a folder" approach.)

YMMV, though 1DsMKII owners are in the same boat.

Thanks very much Hecate. I’m looking into now.

Best,
Dave

On 2/12/04 8:03 PM, in article , "SpaceGirl"
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DSphotog wrote:

If you have Norton anti virus auto protect turned on, turn it off and see if the activity stops. Bet that’s it.

Hope this helps,
Dave

Now it COULD be that… we have that on all machines.

Ahhhhgg!! Get a Mac… 😉

/viz

James Connell wrote:

SpaceGirl wrote:

James Connell wrote:

That makes ZERO difference on a machine this fast. Everything is already instant. I’m not worried about how responsive it is. I just want to know why PhotoShop uses so much CPU. 10% of a 3.4ghz machine is a LOT of power!

It seems it’s just your machine – mine shows no activity except ‘system idle process’

Two different machines though :/

how simalar is the software on those machines?

Similar – one has the corporate version of Norton, the bigger machine has the regular Norton 2004 client. Other than that, the machines are almost identical software wise.

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viz wrote:

On 2/12/04 8:03 PM, in article , "SpaceGirl"
wrote:

DSphotog wrote:

If you have Norton anti virus auto protect turned on, turn it off and see if the activity stops. Bet that’s it.

Hope this helps,
Dave

Now it COULD be that… we have that on all machines.

Ahhhhgg!! Get a Mac… 😉

/viz

No thanks! My main machine is much faster than the best Mac! I am getting an iBook in January (I hope)… I need reliability more than speed when I’m out and about.

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Hecate wrote in
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I don’t know if you saw the post upthread which mentioned the File Browser, but it’s correct in that if you have that open all the time it will constantly reread folders. Personally, I never use the damn thing, I just keep ThumbsPlus open when I’m working.

Meh. It’s the best I’ve got till Thumbs Plus supports the 20D. It works, and I like it for making web galleries (just highlight the pics you want instead of the "everything in a folder" approach.)
YMMV, though 1DsMKII owners are in the same boat.

I dont use it either. I use ACDSee. The browser in CS is the single most useless feature.

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Hecate wrote:

On 3 Dec 2004 01:28:48 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As the thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some blocking software, but no software firewall.

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.

Why would HT slow PS down? I thought PS was optomised for dual CPU. I know HT isn’t *really* dual, but at 3.4ghz and 3mb cpu cache it should hardly slow down for ANYTHING!

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I dont use it either. I use ACDSee.

Last I tried it, it was pretty unstable. How’s that coming along, and how’s its RAW support?

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I dont use it either. I use ACDSee.

Last I tried it, it was pretty unstable. How’s that coming along, and how’s its RAW support?

Seems okay… I’m not totally happy with the program. It’s a bit bloated and slow at some things. I dont care much about all the pretty extra functionality. All I was is thumbnails + previews + quite rotate / print + all the file formats I use + fast loading. 99% of ACDSee is pretty stuff I never touch.

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On 3 Dec 2004 01:28:48 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As the thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some

blocking

software, but no software firewall.

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.
You mean you *allow* malware to run on your system??????
Get a decent firewall – Outpost from www.agnit=um.com. Small footprint and doesn’t hog system resources unlike Norton, MacAfee et al.
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Actually "anti-malware," but I had just visited alt.food.wine, and was compiling my tasting notes – after several "tastings!" ;-}

I’m behind a hardware firewall, and it’s stopped 100% of hackers, so far… the other evil stuff comes from Web sites, and even with an updated blocker, I still have to clean out 2, or 3 every week.

As for hyperthreading, I’ve heard that about it and PS. Since I only use this laptop for minor PS work, and downloading from cameras in the field, it’s more than fast enough. All serious stuff gets run on one of the workstations.

The activity that the OP, and then I, noticed hasn’t been any form of bottleneck to me, but it is a bit of a puzzle. I guess I could take out the wireless card, and try again, just to see if PS is doing some Internet action, but it’s not worth it to me. Now, if something slowed to a crawl, well then I’d dive in. For now, it was just an exercise in observation.

As for Norton, the last two major versions seem pretty stable (except when one’s subscription is about to lapse), and I’ve not had a problem on any of the machines. I’ve even been doing installs with NAV Auto running – couldn’t do that a few years ago, with any program.

So long as things "fly," I ain’t complaining.

Hunt

In article ,
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Hecate wrote:

On 3 Dec 2004 01:28:48 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As

the

thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some

blocking

software, but no software firewall.

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.

Why would HT slow PS down? I thought PS was optomised for dual CPU. I know HT isn’t *really* dual, but at 3.4ghz and 3mb cpu cache it should hardly slow down for ANYTHING!

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I cannot give you an answer for this, however, many in these NG’s have collected data, that seem to indicate that HT does slow down PS. Now, it does allow other programs to be running, with little hit, but when it’s just PS, it is slower, than when HT is turned off. I’ve got CS on an older dual P-III, and it DOES use both physical processors. It actually runs as fast as the newer laptop (limited Scratch Disk and other HDD areas), but with same RAM and much faster busses, plus HT. The speed is OK for me, so I’m not going to bother disconnecting HT, just as a test. I’ll let those who are motivated to do so, do so, and report their findings.

As to your OP, I had similar CPU usages by PS, when minimized and no Browser up. A curiosity, for which I have no answer.

I’ll follow this thread and see where it takes us.

Hunt

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:05:33 +0000, SpaceGirl
wrote:

Hecate wrote:

On 3 Dec 2004 01:28:48 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Until your post, I’d never considered what the CPU activity might be. As the thread has progressed, I’ve followed. Just did a test on my system: 3.6GHz hyperthreading, 2GB RAM and 80GB HDD w/ Scratch on C:\. I’ve got NAV w/ AutoProtect On and several malware programs in background, plus some blocking software, but no software firewall.

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.

Why would HT slow PS down? I thought PS was optomised for dual CPU. I know HT isn’t *really* dual, but at 3.4ghz and 3mb cpu cache it should hardly slow down for ANYTHING!

I’#d have to dig out the article but, it does. I suppose it may be because you actually don’t have two processors working and there’s bottleneck somewhere. I do know that it works fine for rendering software, but not for PS.

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On 4 Dec 2004 02:12:49 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Note that hyperthreading has often been shown to slow down Photoshop.
You mean you *allow* malware to run on your system??????
Get a decent firewall – Outpost from www.agnit=um.com. Small footprint and doesn’t hog system resources unlike Norton, MacAfee et al.
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Actually "anti-malware," but I had just visited alt.food.wine, and was compiling my tasting notes – after several "tastings!" ;-}

LOL!

I’m behind a hardware firewall, and it’s stopped 100% of hackers, so far… the other evil stuff comes from Web sites, and even with an updated blocker, I still have to clean out 2, or 3 every week.

Interesting. Have you tried SpySweeper? That runs in the background all the time and I’ve been pretty successful with it. Normally, I’d expect a hardware firewall to outperform a software one every time, but the latest Outpost has process blocking and component blocking which is very useful. Still, I wouldn’t expect you to be taking hits with a hardware firewall…

As for hyperthreading, I’ve heard that about it and PS. Since I only use this laptop for minor PS work, and downloading from cameras in the field, it’s more than fast enough. All serious stuff gets run on one of the workstations.
The activity that the OP, and then I, noticed hasn’t been any form of bottleneck to me, but it is a bit of a puzzle. I guess I could take out the wireless card, and try again, just to see if PS is doing some Internet action, but it’s not worth it to me. Now, if something slowed to a crawl, well then I’d dive in. For now, it was just an exercise in observation.
As for Norton, the last two major versions seem pretty stable (except when one’s subscription is about to lapse), and I’ve not had a problem on any of the machines. I’ve even been doing installs with NAV Auto running – couldn’t do that a few years ago, with any program.

So long as things "fly," I ain’t complaining.

😉

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